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General topics / Re: Can we consider pooja as a vasana?
« on: August 02, 2017, 09:06:36 PM »
'Letters from Sri Ramanasramam', Letter 55 ('Guri (Concentration) Alone is the Guru (the Preceptor)':
Yesterday morning Yogi Ramiah questioned Bhagavan thus: ?Swami, some disciples of Sai Baba worship a picture of him and say that it is their Guru: How could that be? They can worship it as God, but what benefit could they get by worshipping it as their Guru?? Bhagavan replied, ?They secure concentration by that.? The Yogi said, ?That is all very well, I agree. It may be to some extent a sadhana in concentration. But isn?t a Guru required for that concentration?? ?Certainly, but after all, Guru only means guri, concentration? said Bhagavan. The Yogi said, ?How can a lifeless picture help in developing deep concentration? It requires a living Guru who could show it in practice. It is possible perhaps for Bhagavan to attain perfection without a living Guru but is it possible for people like myself??
?That is true. Even so, by worshipping a lifeless portrait the mind gets concentrated to a certain extent. That concentration will not remain constant unless one knows one?s own Self by enquiring. For that enquiry, a Guru?s help is necessary. That is why the ancients say that the enquiry should not stop with mere initiation. However, even if it does, the initiation will not be without benefit. It will bear fruit some time or other. But there should be no ostentation in this initiation. If the mind is pure, all this will bear fruit; otherwise, it goes to waste like a seed sown in barren soil,? said Bhagavan.
?I don?t know, Swami. You may say that a hundred times or a thousand times. To be sure of one?s own progress, a living Guru like you is required. How can we give the status of a Guru to a lifeless portrait?? he said. With a smile on his face, Bhagavan said, ?Yes, yes,? nodding his head and then kept silent. Brother, all I can say is that that smile and that silence were radiant with knowledge and wisdom. How can I describe it?

General topics / Re: Can we consider pooja as a vasana?
« on: August 02, 2017, 08:24:28 PM »
Dear Kskat

Thanks for opening this topic .Kanchi Mahaswamigal and Sringeri Acharaya's and teachers in the Adi Shankara Parampara have laid great stress on daily puja's and they are all meant only to purify the mind receive blessings of the God to remove the obstacles in our day to day life . In the sankalpa we use the term "durithaa kshayadwara sree parameswara prityartam " and that itself clears the reason why we do the daily puja i.e to remove the duritas and to receive blessings of the Lord .
Prayer being an action and it never goes waste ( every action produces a reaction and prayer being a positive action produces a positive reaction ) and might be its effects is not visible but it does produce the effects .

Welcome back srkudai

Thanks for your links . Thich Nhat Hanh is one of my favorites .

General topics / Pointers to Presence
« on: August 01, 2017, 08:28:37 PM »
In this thread I will be sharing the quotes that are basically Pointers to Presence and I will not be giving the names of the people who said that same ( it is from a combination of many Teachers from the East and West , Traditional and Non Traditional ) and it does not matter from whom it is taken and just read and reflect on it .


"The flowering of Presence from within is like the mustard seed that Jesus spoke of. At first it seems small and delicate. But if it is nurtured, the roots of Presence go deeper and deeper into the earth, and the branches of Presence reach higher and higher into the sky. Then the wind blows, the rain falls, but it is impossible to shake you out of Presence. You nurture the seed of presence every moment that you are present."

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:19:34 AM »
Visit not miracle-mongers and those who exibit occult powers. These men are stragglers from the path of Truth."

~ Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 31, 2017, 10:30:37 PM »
The Wise, who know that all worldly experiences are formed by prarabdha alone, never worry about their life?s requirements. Know that all one?s requirements will be thrust upon one by prarabdha, whether one wills them or not.
('Guru Vachaka Kovai', v. 150)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 30, 2017, 11:30:31 AM »
Whenever you get that thought of difficulty, dispose of it altogether by trying to find out whence it arises.
Q. Can I realize the Self? It looks so difficult.
A. You are already the Self. Therefore realization is for everyone. Realization knows no difference in the aspirants. This very doubt if I can realize or the feeling I have not realized, are the obstacles. Be free from these also.
Q. Nevertheless unless I have the experience, how can I be free from these conflicting thoughts?
A. These are also in the mind. They are there because you have identified yourself with the body. If this false identity drops away, ignorance will vanish and truth be revealed.
- Conscious Immortalit

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:49:33 AM »
In fact there may not be found any single individual in the world possessing all the qualities in perfection necessary for a mumukshu [mature soul] as mentioned in the Yoga Sutras etc.
Still pursuit of Atmajnana should not be abandoned. Everyone is the Self by aparoksha [immediate or direct knowledge], although he is not aware, but identifies the Self with the body and feels miserable.
- Conscious Immortality

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:37:45 AM »
A level of mental maturity is reached when nothing external is of any value and the heart is ready to relinquish all. Then the real has a chance and it grasps it. Delays, if any, are caused by the mind being unwilling to see or to discard.
-I AM THAT ch 98

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 27, 2017, 07:16:53 PM »
I have seen this sort of a thing first hand ...when my younger sister lost her only son aged 17 in a tragic road accident on the treacherous Tanjore-Kumbhakonam highway.

Dear Sri Ravi

On reading the above line especially the highlighted one I was reminded of an incident that happened with me during Dec 2009  when I was on a visit to Tanjore , Kumbakonam Temples along with my brother ( from USA ) and mother . We halted at a hotel in Tanjore and finished seeing the Brihadeeswar Temple and planned to go night by Car to Kumbakkonam . My brother was feeling sick ( due to outside food  etc ) and so we checked in with a local Doctor there and he told not to worry and prescribed some medicines and he asked where we were staying we told we  were staying in a Hotel and will soon be checking out and going to Kumbakonam by Car at Night and he firmly told us not to travel at night and we laughed and told that it is just 45 mts and he got angry and  told us very STERNLY whether it is 45 mts or 4 mts please do not go at night and better to go next day morning after 7 am .I personally found it amusing why he is making such a fuss ( I was not aware of the road condition in those areas as I am going there after a long time ) and  told my mother that let us not listen to him and continue our journey and my mother felt that we must not take that warning lightly as it was given by the Doctor in a firm tone and so we just obeyed it . Now after reading your line I can guess now why the Doctor told that way .
I rarely share personal is just to say that this 'book' called 'The Kathamrita' or 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna' is not just a  'Book' but is something of a provides satsangh with the Master...and there is no aspect of spiritual life that is not covered here...and most importantly it caters to both lay devotees as well as Ripe devotees...I have personally seen any number of people drawing inspiration from this inexhaustible resource.

True . One always finds this book very refreshing inspite of repeated reading and it has a message for everyone young and old .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 27, 2017, 02:53:30 PM »
No matter what happens to your body, meditate. The body is a treacherous friend. Give it its due; no more. Never go to sleep at night until you have communed with God. Your body will remind you that you have worked hard and need rest, but the more you ignore its demands and concentrate on the Lord, the more you will be filled with joyous life. Then you will know that you are not the body. MEDITATE UNCEASINGLY that you quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. Cease being a prisoner of the body, using the secret of Meditation and learn to escape into the Spirit.
- Paramahansa Yogananda

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 26, 2017, 10:20:04 AM »
Deep Devotional rendering of Sri Maha Periyava Prayer Song by Disciple of Dr. ML Vasantha Kumari - cant express in words the powerful emotion listening to this song generates .

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 25, 2017, 08:35:13 PM »

Dear Friends

The question asked by Kskat is something that does not have right or wrong answers ir-respective of whether they are answered with quotes or without quotes . The discussion here is an ongoing process for all of us to help develop more clarity inspite of the fact that many of the questions may seem repetitive . That is  part of the sadhana .

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 21, 2017, 08:53:44 PM »

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 20, 2017, 03:47:32 PM »
Dear Ravi

My comment was meant for all people who post here  and  I feel everyone's contributions here very useful . Sometimes I go through old posts and feel refreshed reading them once again . In this regard I wish to share  a personal experience to prove that positive impact of these sharings . Apart from this forum I keep sharing some spiritual thoughts , quotes etc with a close set of  people ( family and friends ) by email , FB , Whatsapp  and while everyone reads the same only very few respond ( but they do say when I meet them personally that they read my posts )  and I send it not just for others to read and get inspired but  it must serve as a reminder to me also . During one such instance I shared a  life style  which a serious spiritual aspirant must adhere to and it was a list of 12 points and equally applicable to all people world wide ,ir-respective of the Religion they belong to ( I have also shared it here ) and I sent it by email to the group of my close friends/family members and that day evening I got a Phone call from my friend thanking me for sending the same as that Message really hit him hard and really woke him up . He is a very deeply spiritual person but then suddenly became very Tamasic and lost track and took to excessive watching of TV ( not just watching the news or once in a while the Cricket matches but the non stop  mindlessly watching to the extent it became an uncontrollable habit  ) and in the message that I sent the first Point was "Stop watching TV etc " and he felt it was a big wake up call and realized how much time he had been wasting on watching TV mindlessly ( Note : I am not against Watching TV but it must be in our control and the TV must not control us ) and he decided to cut down on his watching TV from that day and he felt that my message really hit him hard and it was a nice wake up call for him .

I have also had my own wake up calls from many such messages that I read in this forum and at other FB pages that I have subscribed .
So in conclusion : Keep sharing the  messages and it does make a positive impact with people whom we would have never met ( as the messages get shared and passed on ) . This is also a form of satsangh ( Online satsangh ) .

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