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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:19:34 AM »
Visit not miracle-mongers and those who exibit occult powers. These men are stragglers from the path of Truth."

~ Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 31, 2017, 10:30:37 PM »
The Wise, who know that all worldly experiences are formed by prarabdha alone, never worry about their life?s requirements. Know that all one?s requirements will be thrust upon one by prarabdha, whether one wills them or not.
('Guru Vachaka Kovai', v. 150)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 30, 2017, 11:30:31 AM »
Whenever you get that thought of difficulty, dispose of it altogether by trying to find out whence it arises.
Q. Can I realize the Self? It looks so difficult.
A. You are already the Self. Therefore realization is for everyone. Realization knows no difference in the aspirants. This very doubt if I can realize or the feeling I have not realized, are the obstacles. Be free from these also.
Q. Nevertheless unless I have the experience, how can I be free from these conflicting thoughts?
A. These are also in the mind. They are there because you have identified yourself with the body. If this false identity drops away, ignorance will vanish and truth be revealed.
- Conscious Immortalit

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:49:33 AM »
In fact there may not be found any single individual in the world possessing all the qualities in perfection necessary for a mumukshu [mature soul] as mentioned in the Yoga Sutras etc.
Still pursuit of Atmajnana should not be abandoned. Everyone is the Self by aparoksha [immediate or direct knowledge], although he is not aware, but identifies the Self with the body and feels miserable.
- Conscious Immortality

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:37:45 AM »
A level of mental maturity is reached when nothing external is of any value and the heart is ready to relinquish all. Then the real has a chance and it grasps it. Delays, if any, are caused by the mind being unwilling to see or to discard.
-I AM THAT ch 98

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 27, 2017, 07:16:53 PM »
I have seen this sort of a thing first hand ...when my younger sister lost her only son aged 17 in a tragic road accident on the treacherous Tanjore-Kumbhakonam highway.

Dear Sri Ravi

On reading the above line especially the highlighted one I was reminded of an incident that happened with me during Dec 2009  when I was on a visit to Tanjore , Kumbakonam Temples along with my brother ( from USA ) and mother . We halted at a hotel in Tanjore and finished seeing the Brihadeeswar Temple and planned to go night by Car to Kumbakkonam . My brother was feeling sick ( due to outside food  etc ) and so we checked in with a local Doctor there and he told not to worry and prescribed some medicines and he asked where we were staying we told we  were staying in a Hotel and will soon be checking out and going to Kumbakonam by Car at Night and he firmly told us not to travel at night and we laughed and told that it is just 45 mts and he got angry and  told us very STERNLY whether it is 45 mts or 4 mts please do not go at night and better to go next day morning after 7 am .I personally found it amusing why he is making such a fuss ( I was not aware of the road condition in those areas as I am going there after a long time ) and  told my mother that let us not listen to him and continue our journey and my mother felt that we must not take that warning lightly as it was given by the Doctor in a firm tone and so we just obeyed it . Now after reading your line I can guess now why the Doctor told that way .
I rarely share personal is just to say that this 'book' called 'The Kathamrita' or 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna' is not just a  'Book' but is something of a provides satsangh with the Master...and there is no aspect of spiritual life that is not covered here...and most importantly it caters to both lay devotees as well as Ripe devotees...I have personally seen any number of people drawing inspiration from this inexhaustible resource.

True . One always finds this book very refreshing inspite of repeated reading and it has a message for everyone young and old .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 27, 2017, 02:53:30 PM »
No matter what happens to your body, meditate. The body is a treacherous friend. Give it its due; no more. Never go to sleep at night until you have communed with God. Your body will remind you that you have worked hard and need rest, but the more you ignore its demands and concentrate on the Lord, the more you will be filled with joyous life. Then you will know that you are not the body. MEDITATE UNCEASINGLY that you quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. Cease being a prisoner of the body, using the secret of Meditation and learn to escape into the Spirit.
- Paramahansa Yogananda

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 26, 2017, 10:20:04 AM »
Deep Devotional rendering of Sri Maha Periyava Prayer Song by Disciple of Dr. ML Vasantha Kumari - cant express in words the powerful emotion listening to this song generates .

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 25, 2017, 08:35:13 PM »

Dear Friends

The question asked by Kskat is something that does not have right or wrong answers ir-respective of whether they are answered with quotes or without quotes . The discussion here is an ongoing process for all of us to help develop more clarity inspite of the fact that many of the questions may seem repetitive . That is  part of the sadhana .

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 21, 2017, 08:53:44 PM »

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 20, 2017, 03:47:32 PM »
Dear Ravi

My comment was meant for all people who post here  and  I feel everyone's contributions here very useful . Sometimes I go through old posts and feel refreshed reading them once again . In this regard I wish to share  a personal experience to prove that positive impact of these sharings . Apart from this forum I keep sharing some spiritual thoughts , quotes etc with a close set of  people ( family and friends ) by email , FB , Whatsapp  and while everyone reads the same only very few respond ( but they do say when I meet them personally that they read my posts )  and I send it not just for others to read and get inspired but  it must serve as a reminder to me also . During one such instance I shared a  life style  which a serious spiritual aspirant must adhere to and it was a list of 12 points and equally applicable to all people world wide ,ir-respective of the Religion they belong to ( I have also shared it here ) and I sent it by email to the group of my close friends/family members and that day evening I got a Phone call from my friend thanking me for sending the same as that Message really hit him hard and really woke him up . He is a very deeply spiritual person but then suddenly became very Tamasic and lost track and took to excessive watching of TV ( not just watching the news or once in a while the Cricket matches but the non stop  mindlessly watching to the extent it became an uncontrollable habit  ) and in the message that I sent the first Point was "Stop watching TV etc " and he felt it was a big wake up call and realized how much time he had been wasting on watching TV mindlessly ( Note : I am not against Watching TV but it must be in our control and the TV must not control us ) and he decided to cut down on his watching TV from that day and he felt that my message really hit him hard and it was a nice wake up call for him .

I have also had my own wake up calls from many such messages that I read in this forum and at other FB pages that I have subscribed .
So in conclusion : Keep sharing the  messages and it does make a positive impact with people whom we would have never met ( as the messages get shared and passed on ) . This is also a form of satsangh ( Online satsangh ) .

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 20, 2017, 09:20:14 AM »
Anyway,I do not consider the time spent here as wasted...whatever I am posting here at least helps one person...myself...and I am thankful for  the opportunity to reflect on the teachings of the great ones.

Definitely not a waste ir-respective of whether people reply to your posts or not .I know of people who read through the various posts but do not reply or share ( it is not everybody's nature to express in writing what they feel ) but have acknowledged to me during my discussions with them that they have found many of the content ( the posts , quotes , discussions etc ) valuable here for their own self introspection . I consider this online forum as a sort of satsang itself and going through the posts here has helped me introspect on my own beliefs , opinions etc . So continue sharing .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 19, 2017, 04:03:24 PM »
Maharaj, in spite of all my efforts, my mind is still restless. How can I curb it?
?Practice japa and meditation regularly. Do not miss even one day. The mind is like a spoiled child -always restless.
Try repeatedly to steady it by fixing it on the Chosen Ideal, and at last you will become absorbed in Him.
If you continue your practice for two or three years, you will begin to feel an unspeakable joy and the mind will become steady. In the beginning the practice of japa and meditation seems dry. It is like taking bitter medicine.
You must forcibly pour the thought of God into your mind,
then as you persist, you will be flooded with joy.
What a tremendous ordeal a student goes through in order to pass his examination. To realize God is a far easier task! Call on him sincerely with a tranquil heart?

General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 17, 2017, 03:13:15 PM »
Jiddu Krishnamurti - Most people are occupied with jobs

1st QUESTION: The speaker has said that going to an office everyday from nine to five is an intolerable imprisonment. But in any society all kinds of jobs have to be done. Is K's teaching therefore only for the few?

You have understood? Shall I read it again? The speaker has said that human society is so constructed throughout the world that most people are occupied with jobs, pleasant or unpleasant, from nine to five everyday of their life. And he said also that it is an intolerable imprisonment. I don't know how you feel about it. Probably you like being in prison, probably you like your jobs from nine o'clock to five o'clock, rushing, rushing back and all the rest of it. What shall we do? To the speaker he wouldn't tolerate it for a single minute - for the speaker. I would rather do something which would be pleasant, helpful and necessary to earn enough money and so on. But most of us accept this prison, this routine - right? We accept it. So what shall we do? Nobody, as far as one is capable of sufficient observation, nobody has questioned this. We say it is normal, it is the way of society, it is the way of our life, it is the way we must live. But if we all see together that such an imprisonment, which it is actually, that we all feel it is intolerable, not just verbally but actually do something about it we will create a new society - right? We will if all of us say we will not tolerate for a single day this routine, this monstrous activity of nine to five, however necessary, however good and pleasant, then we will bring about not only psychological revolution but also outwardly. Right? We may agree about this but will we do it? You might say, "No, I can't do it because I have responsibility, I have children, I have a house and mortgage, insurance" - thank god I haven't got any of those! And so you might say, "It is easy for you to talk about all this." But it is easy for the speaker to talk about it because he refuses to go in that pattern. From boyhood he refused it.

For more refer this video clip here it is around 13 mts

Jiddu Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 2nd Public Question & Answer Meeting 30th August 1979



Saradamma: People look at Swamy ( Sri Lakshmana Swamy ) and me and think that realization must be relatively easy to achieve because we both realized the Self in a short time. However, we are exceptions. It is rare for someone to have the determination and dispassion that Swamy had during his sadhana, and it is equally rare for a devotee to be as God-intoxicated as I was.Complete surrender or earnest self-enquiry can only be effectively practiced by advanced devotees. Even Ramana Maharshi sometimes said that self-enquiry was for ripe souls only. Most people need a long period of purification to get their minds pure enough for total surrender or effective self-enquiry. Devotees ask for grace to realize the Self, but most devotees are nowhere near ready for realization; if they were given a large amount of grace the shock would kill them. For most people a preliminary period of mind purification, such as can be produced by japa or pranayama will be most useful.

- No Mind- I Am the Self by David Godman , p 214

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