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General topics / Re: Sri Vinayaka Chaturthi - 09.09.2013
« on: September 09, 2013, 08:36:05 PM »
Vinayagar Agaval sung by MS Subbulakshmi

Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Kind request for your prayers please...
« on: September 09, 2013, 05:00:21 PM »
Dear Sanjay

Group prayers are always very powerful and surely will help your child . Attend to what is to be attended and rest the Divine Grace will take care .
I will send special prayers for your child during my daily prayers .
The blessings of Bhagavan Ramana and Annamalai Swamy are with you and your family .

General topics / Re: Sri Vinayaka Chaturthi - 09.09.2013
« on: September 09, 2013, 11:55:15 AM »
Read the VinAyagar Agaval- Kanchi Mahaswamigal
devotee:...... Kadarshop AV VengkaTarAman, SrIranggam
author:....... Kadarshop AV VengkaTarAman, SrIranggam
compiler:..... T.S. Kothandarama Sarma
source:....... Maha PeriyavaL - Darisana AnubhavangaL vol. 2, pages 117-119
publisher:.... VAnathi Padhippaham (May 2005 Edition)

About forty-eight years ago, PUjyashrI MahASvAmigaL was camping in a small village called VETTamangalam near MayilADuturai. At that time PeriyAr EVR started the movement of breaking the PiLLaiyAr images. When the date of breaking the images was announced, the sacred group of SivanaDiyArs--Shiva devotees, in KumbakoNam were upset; they met ShrIShrI PeriyavAL at VETTamangalam and asked him, "What retaliative measure are we to take for this?" PeriyavAL gave them these words of blessings: "Let all the bhaktas from tomorrow go to PiLLaiyAr temples and break coconuts and do abhiSheka-Aradhanas."

To aDiyEn--myself, ShrI PeriyavAL gave a sign in silence and with orders to publish his message in the magazine asking everyone to do pArAyaNam of the "VinAyagar Agaval". An additional order was given to print and distribute freely, the "VinAyagar Agaval" book blessed by AvvaiyAr. A surprising thing about this was that I did not know about the existence of a book called "VinAyagar Agaval". I could not also understand his silent sign indicating AvvaiyAr. Nor could I understand his gestures about the "VinAyagar Agaval" book. Then he wrote the name on the sand and showed it to me. It was night time and there was not enough light from the electric lamp where PeriyavAL was sitting. Then he asked for a slate and chalk to be brought and showed me the name by writing it on the slate. I understood it. Accordingly, the "VinAyagar Agaval" book was printed and distributed freely. All the magazines and newspapers carried PeriyavAL's message to the people to do pArAyaNam--recitation, of the "VinAyagar Agaval". I had the bhAgyam of seeing PeriyavAL's handwriting which was like printed letters.

:)  Nice imagination --  but the problem with our Bhagavan Ramana Maharishee school  is only a very few are really attracted to this Naan Yaar and Mathrubuteshwara Lingam.   Our Bhagavan Ramana also does not care -- infact he is happy to sit only with a few like us.   :)

A slight correction .A lot of people are attracted but Very few are only mature ,eligible and committed  for Naan Yaar ( like there is lot of attraction to attend Bhagavad Gita and Upansihad lectures but very few have the sadhana chatustya i.e 4 fold qualifications needed for Vedantic Study ) .Rest believe that they are very much ready for this and that is the big crowd and that is what Sri Ravi is worried will over crowd Arunachala .
Uttarakhand region which was a place meant  for serious pilgrimage and serious sadhana slowly turned out to be a tourist spot and for all fly by night Swamis to build Ashrams and resorts claiming to teach Yoga , Vedanta , Spirituality etc  and attracting all forms of  tourists in the name of spiritual travel and finally Mother Ganga felt that enough is enough and showed her anger and wiped of most of the structures and gave a severe blow to everyone that now only the bravest of brave will venture out there .
I hope we do not provoke  father Arunacahala to do a similar thing in Arunachala as I see similar Uttarakhand symptomsof fly by night Gurus and Ashrams all over Arunachala .

By the way here in this link I have shared in depth my views on some people claiming to follow only Bhagavan Ramana

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 04, 2013, 10:48:48 AM »
This is typical of Sri Bhagavan;He expects everyone to be utterly sensitive and aware and rise to the occassion.He does not 'spoon feed'.He does not 'Tutor'.He only throws 'hints'.The Onus is on the aspirant.He has to rise to the required level.This does not mean -'I can do the way I wish'.The aspirant has to constantly be doing the 'Homework' and everyday come up with something better than what he has been doing in the yester years.This Very spirit or 'Obsession' is Earnestness.

The above quote is from Sri Ravi from Anil's thread . I did not want to disturb that thread with my discussion of the above quote and hence sharing it here .
Ravi has pointed out very clearly where the problem lies when we interpret Jnani's like Sri Ramana .The problem is many people lack the fundamentals and try to build a huge structure without the basic fundamentals . Bhagavan's message is very simple and direct for the most mature spiritual person but it is very vague and confusing for the unripe /immature spiritual person .
I will give an example from my own family itself . A few cousins of mine decided Sri Ramana to be their one and only Guru and removed all other pics of other family deities from their puja altar and kept only Bhagavan's Pic . They believed that they have surrendered completely to Bhagavan .They used to go to Ramanaashram when they get time . But apart from that they were neither serious in doing the atma vichara of Bhagavan nor reading his works daily or regularly attending any form of Ramana Satsangh .
Things were going smoothly ( they never had any major problem ) but then suddenly their mother was diagnoised with Cancer , then they just became highly insecure and thought the Gods are punishing them for removing their pics , the Kula Deivam is Punishing them ( they also stopped visiting our Kula Deivam and thought Visit to Ramana Asharm was more than enough ) and started visiting our Kula Deivam , did abhisheikam to our Kula Deivyam ,started running around all the temples nearby , doing puja , collecting Vibhuti , Kumkum etc . Still the Cancer was not receding .They were only symbolically praying to Bhagavan Ramana but their thoughts were on how best to mitigate this problem through some pariharams .  They consulted astrologers , naadi jyotisham etc  . Last they felt that they need the help of a Living Guru and they had someone who was close to Sawmi Nityananda ( this was before the scandal came out ) and at that time Nitayananda was popular for healing people whatever may be their condition .They had a personal meeting with him and were highly impressed by his talk and his assurances . He gave them some prasad and told them do some chanting and since he was busy at that time he could not meet their mother and told no problem next time he will follow it up .But within a few days he was caught in the TV Sting operation and my cousins were devastated . By this time  their mothers condition was slowly sinking and she passed out a couple of months later .

This is not the condition of just my cousins .I see this trait in many of my friends etc who say they have surrendered to Bhagavan Ramana ,Arunachala and swear they are their only Gurus and when a slight problem comes in their life ( like loss of job , some medical operation to be done , financial / domestic problem etc ) they run to astrologers , naadi jyotisam , Godmen ,their kula deivam , doing all pariharams etc . These people actually do not do any form of sadhana in their own day to day life . These people are very spiritually lazy ( i.e lazy to do what is basically done in every Hindu household as lighting lamp , doing daily nitya karma , some chanting and scriptural study , observing fasts , doing monthly ammavasya , annual sharddham for parents , visiting Kula Deivam once a year etc etc ) and to cover this laziness they  boast that  these are kindergarden stuff and they consider themselves to be  highly  evolved to practice Bhagavan's teachings directly and the fact is they neither do that also properly . These people have no dietary discipline, have strange sleep hours ,watch lot of TV , surf lot of internet ,and just once in while get emotion with regard to Bhagavan Ramana and Arunacahala when they visit there or read a book of his  . They neither read his works regularly , nor attend Ramana Satsangs or have satsanghs in their own house  but get  terribly shaken up with the slightest problem in their life .
I am also not in favor of people doing daily rituals but at least that must be compensated by other form of some sattvic sadhanas like taking sattvic food , having satsangs at house or attending satsangs , reading regularly the divine works and learning to face difficulty without running to astrologers, sooth sayers , Godmen especially when you say you have surrendered to a great Jnani like Bhagavan Ramana .

We need to be honest withourselves as to where we stand . My test for spiritual maturity is not what you talk when things go fine in your life but how you behave when crisis comes in your life . There is nothing wrong in sincerely attempting and being a failure in our sadhana but deluding ourselves that we are great  sadhaks and are ready for the direct path  when we have barely put the basic foundation in place is a dangerous thing especially when we have no living  Guru to point our flaws and guide us .

But I also wish to point out that my views above are based on the people whom I interact with close by and  should not be taken as an opinion of all the other serious Ramana devotees many of whom I may not have met .I have also seen some genuine followers of Bhagavan and who have totally surrendered to him and most of such people have either moved in to Ramana Ashram , or Thiruvanamalai and some silently keep following his teachings at their home  . These people care a damn for money or body illness but that number is in a minority in what I have personally seen .

General topics / Re: Sri Vasant Kothari - merged with Sri Bhagavan
« on: September 03, 2013, 06:18:45 PM »
Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for this news,I am yet to go through the saranagathi magazine  .I have met Sri Kothari in one of my trips to SriRamana Ashram few years back and he was introduced to me by another Yoga friend of mine . A very soft spoken man and totally surrendered to Bhagavan and Arunachala .
It is a blessing he merged with Bhagavan , Arunachala on an auspicious Sravana Pournami Day .

Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: September 02, 2013, 09:58:43 AM »


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 01, 2013, 04:59:40 PM »
The Interesting thing is that almost everyone thinks that he is fit for exclusive self-enquiry

Dear Ravi

I leave it to the respective individuals to evaluate themselves whether they are fit exclusively for self enquiry or not . According to Bhagavan Ramana and Annamalai Swamy they both prefer sadhaks to  focus on the direct path of self enquiry from the start and put  all their energies in that direction . For such people only religious rules and regulations come secondary . Even then Bhagavn out of supreme compassion did not disturb those who were following such practices like in the case of Kanakammal and KunjuSwami ( I have given their examples in the other thread on Ekadasi ) and they themselves dropped it seeing the futility of the same especially in the direct presence of Bhagavan .
But we need to understand that both Kanakammal and Kunjuswami were full time sadhaks , totally surrendered to Bhagavan and had the blessings of his direct physical presence while pursuing their sadhana .

Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Sattvic curry recipe for lentils or beens
« on: September 01, 2013, 04:31:38 PM »
One more link for no onion , no garlic Indian Vegetarian recipe .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 01, 2013, 01:58:56 PM »
In all religions,we have this sort of fasts,partial or otherwise.we have Ramadan for muslims and lent for christians.There are two aspects -external observance of the Fast and inner attitude of Prayer or smarana that goes hand in hand with the fasting.
The Guru is one who emphaises the inner aspect.The Acharya is one who observes both the external and inner aspect.The Acharya can be copied but the Guru cannot be copied but only emulated by the seeker.

The above quote is from Sri Ravi in the Ekadasi thread that I started .The highlighted quote points the essence of the sort of conflicts ( actually there is no conflict at all if viewed from the respective perspective ) between the teachings of Jnanai's like Bhagavan and the teachings of others Acharyas and Gurus like Kanchi Paramacharya , Sringeri Acharayas ,Sri Ramakrishna ,Swami Sivananda etc .
Bhagavan Ramana had made it quite clear ( in Guru Vachaka Kovai ) that spiritual rules and regulations are needed only for an aspirant who is not fully committed to the path of self enquiry and for those who have totally committed themselves to the path of self enquiry these rules and regulations are of not much importance .
Here is the verse from GVK 791 ( 68: The conduct of a Sadhaka )
Since the perscribed moral and social observances help one for a long time , they are fit to be accepted and observed .But when they obstruct the highest practice , the enquiry for true knowledge , give them up as useless .

General Discussion / Re: The Significance of Ekadasi
« on: September 01, 2013, 01:04:46 PM »
Other Notes on Ekadasi:
Ekadashi fasting spans for three days. Devotees take single meal in the afternoon a day before fasting day to make sure there is no residual food in the stomach on next day. Devotees keep strict fast on Ekadashi day and break the fast on next day only after sunrise. Eating of all type of grains and cereals is prohibited during Ekadashi fasting.

Another name of Ekadasi is Harivasara, meaning “The day of Lord Hari.” Actually fasting on the Ekadasi day means fasting from all categories of eatables and drinks. But in this jet age, people eat foods that are grown with chemicals. That is why sages have subsidized the fasting on Ekadasi with moderate acceptance of non-grain eatables on the Ekadasi day. As it is confirmed by Srila Vyasadeva in the Mahabharata Udyama Parva thus:

astaitani avrataghnani hy apo mulam payo dadhi
havir brahmana kamya ca guror vacanam ausadham

“The eight following exceptions do not break one’s fast: drinking water, eating potatoes, sweet potatoes, drinking milk, eating yogurt, eating butter, eating things by the request of a traditionally authentic Brahmana following the orders of a Vedicly authorized Guru, and consuming the prescribed medicines.”

According to the Padma Purana, sin personified (Papa-purusha) was told by the Lord to live in food grains on the Ekadasi day. Sin personified retracts himself from all other places and enters into grains on the Ekadasi day. When a person eats grains on the Ekadasi day, he solemnly consumes sins. There are twenty four (two extra for leap year) Ekadasis in a year and each has a specific name. Anyone who performs Ekadasi following the instructions of a scripturally authorized Guru enters into the spiritual kingdom of the Lord.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: August 31, 2013, 06:55:27 PM »
"How can any Brahmin perform so many samskaras these days?" is perhaps a natural question. "What is the use of speaking about things that are not practicable?"Suppose I myself give two lists, the first containing the samskaras that are easy to perform these days and the second containing those that are not so easy. What will happen then? You will keep on adding items to the second from the first list and, eventually, I am afraid nothing will be left for you to perform. So, on your retirement at least, you must perform all the religious rites imposed on you as Brahmins. You must not ask for an extension of service with your present employers nor look for a new job.

Let me now speak about a Brahmin's daily religious life according to the sastras. It is indeed a harsh routine. A Brahmin must get up five nadikas, or two hours, before sunrise. "Panca -panca-usatkale", so it is said. "Panca-panca" means five*five - "panca-panca usatkale"denotes during the 25th nadika". From sunset to sunrise is 30 nadikas. So a Brahmin must rise during the 25th nadika- from this time to sunrise is "Brahma muhurta".

After getting up, he cleans his teeth, bathes in cold water and performs sandhyavandana and japa. Next he goes through aupasana and agnihotra. These rites come under "devayajna", sacrifices to the gods. Next is "Brahmayajna", the daily study and chanting of the Vedas. As part of this rite there are some tarpanas or libations to be offered. (For people following certain sutras these come later). If daytime is divided into eight parts one part would have been over by now.

In the second part of the daytime, the Brahmin must teach his disciples the Vedas-this is adhyapana. Afterwards, he must gather flowers himself for the puja he is to perform. Since he is not expected to earn a salary- and if he does not own any land received as gift - he must beg for his food and also for the materials for the conduct of various sacrifices. The Brahmin has the right to beg, but it is a restrictive right because it means that he can take only the minimum needed for the upkeep and what is required for the performance of the rituals. A considerable part of what he receives as gifts is to be paid as daksina to the priests officiating at the sacrifices he performs.

Of the six "occupations" of the Brahmin one is "pratigraha" or accepting gifts. Another is "dana", making donations to others. It is asked why Brahmins alone have the right to receive gifts. The answer is that they are also enjoined to make gifts to others. Indeed, the Brahmin accepts gifts for the purpose of the charity he himself has to render. This apart, he has also to make gifts during the rites to be mentioned next, "atithya" and "bhutayajna".

After the second part of the day and a portion of the third have been spent thus, the Brahmin must bathe again and perform madhyahnika. Next he does pitr-tarpana, that is he offers libations to the fathers; and this rite is followed by homa and puja. In the latter rite he must dedicate to the deities all those objects that he perceives with his five senses(the five jnanendriyas). It must now be midday and the fourth part of the daytime will have been over and the Brahmin must have completed the rites meant for the deities, the Vedas and the fathers.

Of the five great sacrifices or panca-mahayajnas, two remain- manusyayajna or honouring and feeding the guests and "bhutayajna" which includes bali to the creatures of the earth and feeding the poor (vaisvadeva). Rice is offered in the sacrificial fire and also as bali( that is without being placed in the fire). In bali, food is placed in different parts of the house to the chanting of mantras- food meant for outcastes, beggars, dogs, birds, etc. In the manusya-yajna, guests are entertained and it is also known as atithya. The Brahmin has his mealtime only after going through these rites. Until then he must not take anything except perhaps some milk or buttermilk, but never coffee or any snacks. If he has any other sacrifices to conduct, paka, havir or soma, his mealtime will be further delayed. If he has a sraddha to perform also he will have to eat later than usual. A sraddha ceremony must be commenced only in the "aparahna": I will tell you what it means.

Daytime, we have seen, is divided into eight parts. But it can also be divided into five, each of six nadikas. If the sun rises at 6, 6 to 8. 24 is morning or "pratah-kala"; 8. 24 to 10. 48 is "sangava-kala"; and 10. 48 to 1. 12 is "madhyahnika". From 1. 12 to 3. 36 it is "aparahna"; and from 3. 36 to 6 (or sunset) is "sayam-kala". (The time close to sunset is "pradosa". "Dosa" means night, the prefix "pra" meaning "pre" or "before". The English "pre' is derived from "pra". Pradosa thus is the time before night).

I said that the time for sraddha is aparahna. Rites meant for the gods may be performed only after the completion of the sraddha. After his meal, the Brahmin must read the Puranas. Next he has the duty of teaching members of other castes their hereditary vocations, arts and crafts. He does not have a moment for rest or relaxation. For soon it will be time for his evening bath, sandhyavandana, sacrifices and japa. Vaisvadeva has to be performed at night also before the Brahmin has his meal and retires to bed. On most nights he takes only light food consisting of fruits, milk, etc. On Ekadasi he has to fast the whole day.

There is not a moment without work. It is clear that, if the Brahmin created the sastras, it is not because he wanted to live a life of ease and comfort. On the contrary, the sastras impose on him a life of hardship and austerity, a life of utter physical and mental discipline.

Even today Brahmins who work in offices or other establishments must try to live according to the sastras. They must get up at 4 a. m. (Brahma muhurta), perform aupasana, agnihotra, Brahmayajna, etc, in the traditional manner. They may perform puja and madhyahnika during the sangava time (8. 24 a. m. to 10. 48 a. m. ). "Madhyahnika" as the name suggests is a midday rite but, making allowances for present-day life, it may be performed during the sangava kala. In the evening too the rites may be gone through in the sastric manner. as they say, if there is a will there is a way. On holidays it must be possible for a Brahmin to perform all the rites expected of him.

Even those who are on the morning shift and have to rush to their places of work must perform the rites as best they can. In the evening the Gayatri-japa be extended to compensate for non-performance in the morning. If it is morning shift for a week, will it not be mid-shift or night shift in the subsequent weeks? There could be adjustments made to suit these timings.

Brahmins must feel repentant if they fail to perform the rites they are duty-bound to perform. They must devote the years of their retirement to the pursuit of their dharma instead of feeling sorry for not going out to work. There are rare cases ---perhaps one in a lakh---of people who have learned the Vedas during their retirement and lived the rest of their life according to the tenets of the sastras.

The rites of our religion go back to a time when no other faith was prevalent. We must make every effort to ensure that they do not cease to be performed. They are not meant for our sake alone [as individuals] but for the welfare of all mankind.

Source: Hindu Dharma (selected discourses by Sri Maha Periyava)

General Discussion / Re: The Significance of Ekadasi
« on: August 31, 2013, 06:41:56 PM »
Ok found this piece on net about Ekadasi fasting by Bhagavan Ramana

Ramana Maharshi's Advice Regarding Fasting
Suri Nagamma used to fast on Ekadasi, Sivarathri, Kartikai star day,Monday and other such occasions.Those days, it would so happen that many proof readings of Telugu prints would come to the Asram.

Those days, Bhagavan used to do the proof reading Himself.When someone asked why Bhagavan had not given them to Suri Nagamma, He would say: "O poor thing. She is fasting today!"

After sometime,she realized that the service for Guru was more noble than fasting.

Even Kunju Swami
had told her that Bhagavan Ramana would not give any work to him on the fasting days.He was shown the verse 3 of Ulladu Narpadu - Anubandham by Bhagavan Ramana.

One day, a devotee asked the purport behind such fasting.

Bhagavan replied:"All these things are only to control the senses.In afasting person, the senses will be more subdued and will not go out, and the mind will be non vacillating.But best thing is to control the mind.Where is the mind? Where is the body?Where is the Jiva? It is all in the Self.Food alone does not make up one's determinations, thoughts.The very "fasting"of determinations, doubts and thoughtsalone would control the mind. Even otherwise we are the Self.All these ideas, are only to be in the Self.If the Self is understood,all food controls are unnecessary."

He also said that Sat Sangh is more sublime than the poojas,sacrifices, abulations and pooja, bhajans, nama chantings, which are only secondary in nature.

Source: Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil.

General Discussion / Re: The Significance of Ekadasi
« on: August 31, 2013, 06:31:10 PM »
Subramaniam Sir

It is well known Bhagavan has transcended this but I am asking about what he advised others about it ( if at all he gave any ) i.e in case they wanted to fast or not fast etc .

General Discussion / Re: The Significance of Ekadasi
« on: August 31, 2013, 06:25:29 PM »
I would be happy if anyone can share Bhagavan Ramana's views on Ekadasi  .

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