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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 12, 2017, 06:59:56 PM »
Atmavichar/Friends,

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BTW we tend to take consolation from the fact that not many people are following these things .It depends upon what sort of people whom you keep meeting in day to day life

Well said.

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I can consider myself only as a student still studying the same and trying to imbibe as much as possible in my own day to day life and for this I take guidance from the teachings of Kanchi Mahaswamigaland Sringer Acharyas

Wonderful.

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For the rest I feel instead of giving it up as too late I say "Better late than Never "

This is what Sage TiruvaLLuvar says:

மறப்பினும் ஓத்துக் கொளலாகும் பார்ப்பான்
பிறப்பொழுக்கங் குன்றக் கெடும்


Even if the Brahmin(பார்ப்பான்)forgets the chant(ஓத்து)he may learn it again
If his AchAram(பிறப்பொழுக்கம்-AchAram)) dwindles it will be disaster.

kAnchi mahAswAmy points to this important verse in the TirukkuRaL and interprets it in this straight forward fashion.As long as the Brahmin adheres to his AchAram,he can redeem everything.If he neglects it and let it dwindle,it will lead to ruin.

Many others interpret it differently:They split the word as பிறப்பு + ஒழுக்கம்.They then interpret this to say that if the Brahmin falls from Right conduct ஒழுக்கம்,It will be ruin.The Fallacy is that this is not applicable to the Brahmin only but to anyone else as well.

mahAswAmy brilliantly points out that vEdAs are the Treasure for all and it is the brAhmin who is supposed to uphold it by chanting and adhering to vedic Dharma and achAra and anushtAna.It is thus very important that the BrAhmin adheres to even the outer observances.

We may now brand that 'TiruKKuRaL' is also 'Old Tale' and its teachings are also not practical!What is practical is what we do!I am the Follower of Sage X or Y and that is good enough for me.

The real question is whether we truly follow Sage X or Sage Y.If we examine this ,we will find that we are simply caught in our pet ideas.

Atleast the orthodox ones are following not their ways but what is recommended by the sages.They are a notch better.

Namaskar


Dear Sri Ravi

Came across this old post of yours today . The question is regarding the Thirukural mentioned and Kanchi Mahswamy gives his unqiue meaning  but many others give the other meaning i.e  one who goes away with right conducts falls in life . Some of Rationalists and Atheists  say Kanchi Mahaswamigal is giving a Brahmanical interpretation to Thirukural and Thiruvalluvar is anti brahmin  .  Has Sage TGN given his inisght on this Thirukural .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 09, 2017, 08:05:44 PM »
Stand up, be bold, and take the blame on your own shoulders. Do not go about throwing mud at others; for all the faults you suffer from, you are the sole and only cause.

~ Swami Vivekananda

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 06, 2017, 11:31:43 PM »
பகவானிடம், பிராரப்த கர்மாவைப் பற்றி நான் (தேவராஜ முதலியார்) இவ்வாறு கேட்டேன்: ஒரு மனிதனுடைய வாழ்க்கையில் முக்கியமான நிகழ்ச்சிகள் அதாவது, அவனுடைய வேலை போன்றவைகள்தான் முன்கூட்டியே நிர்ணயிக்கப்பட்டதா அல்லது சின்னச் சின்ன நிகழ்ச்சிகள்கூட ? அதாவது தண்ணீர் குடிப்பது, அறையில் ஓரிடத்தில் இருந்து இன்னொரு இடத்திற்கு போவது இவைகளெல்லாம்கூட ? ஏற்கனவே தீர்மானிக்கப்பட்டு விடுகிறதா?
பகவான்: ஆமாம். அனைத்துமே முன்பே தீர்மானிக்கப்படுகின்றது.
நான்: அப்படியெனில் மனிதனுக்கு என்ன சுதந்திரம் இருக்கிறது?
பகவான்: அப்படியில்லை என்றால் ஏன் இந்த உடல் பிறக்கிறது? இந்த உடல் அதற்கென்று இந்த வாழ்க்கையில் பல காரியங்கள் செய்யக் காத்திருக்கிறது. எல்லாவிதமான நிகழ்ச்சிகளும் ஏற்கனவே முடிவு செய்யப்பட்டு விட்டன.
இந்த உண்மையைத்தான் அவனன்றி ஓரணுவும் அசையாது என்ற பழமொழி கூறுகின்றது. அவனன்றி அசையாது என்று கூறினாலும் கர்மமின்றி அசையாது என்று கூறினாலும் ஒன்றுதான். மனிதனுக்குள்ள சுதந்திரம் எல்லாம் உடலுடன் பந்தப்படுத்திக் கொள்ளாமல் உடல் செய்யும் கர்மத்தினால் வரும் சுகதுக்கங்களினால் பாதிக்கப்படாமல் இருப்பதுதான்.
- தேவராஜ முதலியாரின் ?அனுதினமும் ஸ்ரீபகவானுடன்? நூலிலிருந்து

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 25, 2017, 01:39:48 PM »
From ~~~ Living by the Words of Bhagavan, P 209.
Annamalai Swami:

My life with Bhagavan taught me the value of faith,
obedience and surrender.
When I obeyed Bhagavan's words,
or had complete faith that he would look after
all my spiritual and physical needs,
everything went well.
When I tried to mould my own destiny
(such as the time I went to live in the cave
and the time I ran away to Polur)
things went badly.
Life's lessons have thus taught me the value
and the necessity of complete surrender.
If one surrenders completely to Bhagavan;
if one lives by his words,
ignoring all others;
if one has enough faith in Bhagavan
to stop making plans about the future;
if one can banish all doubts and worries
by having faith in Bhagavans omnipotence-
then, and only then,
Bhagavan will bend and mould one's circumstances,
transforming them in such a way
that one's spiritual and physical needs
are always satisfied.

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 25, 2017, 01:34:39 PM »
From ~~~ Arunachala Ashrama Newsletter (Mar/Apr 2005)
By T.S.Vaidyanathan.

"Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya"
This mantra was revealed to Sri T.K. Sundaresa Iyer, an ardent devotee, and subsequently approved by Bhagavan to invoke his presence. It is known as the Dwadakshara Mantra of Bhagavan, which means that it has twelve letters.
In Hinduism it is common to keep the actual mantra hidden, referring to it as a five or six-lettered mantra without actually telling the mantra.
This is done to protect the integrity and purity of the mantra so that the uninitiated may not misuse it. When we read in Suri Nagamma's Letters from Sri Ramanasramam that the Dwadakshara mantra was being chanted before the Cow Lakshmi during her final days, this is the mantra to which she was referring. The actual meaning is, in brief, as follows:
Om
This is the bija mantra of Lord Shiva, deriving its origin from Soham, which indicates the unity of jiva and Shiva. It also refers to the immanent form of Lord Shiva. It is sometimes called Pranava, which is believed to be the fundamental sound behind all creation.
Namo
Mana in Sanskrit means mind. The mind of jiva goes out towards the world. If the word is reversed, mana becomes nama, which means turning to God or Self within. Namah is a common ending of most divine names meaning "I turn to you." Thus Namo is grammatically necessitated.
Bhagavate
One who possesses bhaga. There are six bhagas indicative of Divinity. Only God or His true incarnations can possess them. The attributes are all-around power, dharma, fame, prosperity, knowledge and dispassion.
Sri
Has several meanings, but in this context it means "Gracious.
Ramanaya
One who revels in the Self.
So the meaning of the mantra is:
"I take refuge in the Gracious Divine Lord Ramana."

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 24, 2017, 10:18:02 AM »
CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI
THE IDEA OF PROGRESS

Q. How am I to know if I am making any progress in my meditation?
AS: Those who meditate a lot often develop a subtle form of ego. They become pleased with the idea that they are making some progress; they become pleased with the states of peace and bliss that they enjoy; they become pleased that they have learned to exercise some control over their wayward minds; or they may derive some satisfaction from the fact that they have found a good guru or a good method of meditation.
All these feelings are ego feelings. When ego feelings are present, awareness of the Self is absent. The thought 'I am meditating? is an ego thought. If real meditation is taking place, this thought cannot arise.
Don't worry about whether you are making progress or not.
Just keep your attention on the Self twenty-four hours a day.
Meditation is not something that should be done in a particular position at a particular time. It is an awareness and an attitude that must persist throughout the day. To be effective, meditation must be continuous.
If you want to water a field you dig a channel to the field and send water continuously along it for a lengthy period of time.
If you send water for only ten seconds and then stop, the water sinks into the ground even before it reaches the field. You will not be able to reach the Self and stay there without a prolonged, continuous effort. Each time you give up trying, or get distracted, some of your previous effort goes to waste.
Continuous inhalation and exhalation are necessary for the continuance of life. Continuous meditation is necessary for all
those who want to stay in the Self.
LWB, p. 277

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 19, 2017, 08:18:37 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 18, 2017, 09:46:33 AM »
CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI
Q: When I keep the mind on this feeling of 'I am', must I be relaxed and quiet? Should I see what is happening, without interfering, or should I be observing, scrutinizing, comparing, etc. ?
AS: It is enough if you can simply relax in this 'I am?. Whatever happens in this 'I am?, this consciousness, just be indifferent to it.
You are the consciousness itself, not the thoughts and ideas that appear in it. Many things both good and bad are going on in this world. We don't bother about most of them because we think, ?these things are happening to somebody else and not to me?.
In the same way, be the consciousness 'I am' and be indifferent to the various things that come and go in your mind. If you identify with thoughts, judge them, compare them, worry about them, try to suppress them, or get involved with them in any way, they will cause you trouble. Instead, be utterly indifferent to them. If you don't pay them any attention, they can never adversely affect you.
Living by the Words of Bhagavan, p. 322

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 17, 2017, 11:55:27 AM »
ANNAMALAI SWAMI REMEMBERED
Self-correction : ?The sun is simply bright. It does not correct anyone.?
Bhagavan taught that one should reform oneself rather than find fault with others. In practical terms this means that one should find the source of one's own mind rather than make complaints about other people's minds and actions.
I can remember a typical reply that Bhagavan gave on this subject.
A devotee, who was quite intimate with Bhagavan, asked him, ?Some of the devotees who live with Bhagavan behave very strangely. They seem to do many things that Bhagavan does not approve of. Why does Bhagavan not correct them?'
Bhagavan replied, 'Correcting oneself is correcting the whole
world
. The sun is simply bright. It does not correct anyone.
Because it shines the whole world is full of light. Transforming
yourself is a means of giving light to the whole world.'

Once, while I was sitting in the hall, someone complained to
Bhagavan about one of the devotees who was sitting there: 'He is not meditating here, he is just sleeping.' 'How can you know that?' retorted Bhagavan. 'Only because you yourself gave up your meditation to look at him! First see yourself and don't concern yourself with other people's habits.'
Bhagavan sometimes used to say: 'Some people who come
here have two aims: they want Bhagavan to be perfect and they want the ashram to be perfect. To achieve this goal they make all kinds of complaints and suggestions. They don't come here to correct themselves; they only come here to correct others.
These people don't seem to remember the reason why they came to Bhagavan in the first place If they do one namaskaram to us they think that the ashram is then their kingdom. Such people think that we ought to behave like their slaves, only doing whatever they think we ought to do.?
Living by the Words of Bhagavan p 116

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 15, 2017, 02:42:14 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 14, 2017, 08:21:19 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 12, 2017, 12:22:07 PM »
CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI
In the peace of the Self there are no vasanas. If you can establish yourself in the Self, all vasanas will be destroyed.
Witness the vasanas as they arise but don't identify with them or act on them. If you want to get rid of your vasanas you must learn to practice non-involvement.
If you feel yourself identifying with a vasana when it starts to rise, remind yourself. 'This vasana is not me' and withdraw into the Self. If you learn to ignore your vasanas in this way they will eventually stop rising.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan , p. 346

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 11, 2017, 01:11:28 PM »
Thoughts must cease and the reasoning faculty (manas) disappear. Feeling is the prime factor in meditation, not reason. It ought to come in the right side of chest, not in the head, because the Heart is there. It must be held tight.
Your present experience of thought-ceasing is due to the influence of the atmosphere you are now in. Can you find the same experience away from this atmosphere? It is spasmodic. Until it becomes permanent, practice is necessary. After one gets established in Truth, practice drops away, naturally.
Q. Is meditation analytical or synthetical?
A. Analysis and synthesis are in the region of intellect. The Self transcends the intellect.
What is meditation? It is to think about one thing. Therefore, in meditation try to hold on to one thought, and all the other thoughts will gradually go away. They may be present for some time but if you resolutely hold to your single thought, they will not trouble you. Our minds are weak through habit, unable to concentrate. We must make the mind strong so as to keep to one thought.
- Conscious Immortality
M.: What is meditation? It is expulsion of thoughts. You are perturbed by thoughts which rush one after another. Hold on to one thought so that others are expelled. Continuous practice gives the necessary strength of mind to engage in meditation.
Meditation differs according to the degree of advancement of the seeker. If one is t for it one might directly hold the thinker; and the thinker will automatically sink into his source, namely Pure Consciousness.
If one cannot directly hold the thinker one must meditate on God; and in due course the same individual will have become sufficiently pure to hold the thinker and sink into absolute Being.
-
Talk 453

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 10, 2017, 08:30:13 AM »

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Ashrams / Re: Severe Water Scarcity in Thiruvanamalai
« on: March 09, 2017, 09:50:56 AM »
The problem with Chennai is that it has heavy water consumption and unable to cope with the water crisis inspite of water being supplied by Tankers . It is an irony that in Dec 2015 entire Chennai was submerged in water and now people are suffering from lack of water . Had those excess water been properly stored we would not have faced this water crisis . Time to store , manage and use water properly .

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