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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 10, 2013, 02:26:23 PM »
Mentally repeat, `Let all beings be happy; let all beings be peaceful; let all beings be blissful.' So do to the east, south, north and west. The more you do that the better you will feel yourself. You will find at last that the easiest way to make ourselves healthy is to see that others are healthy, and the easiest way to make ourselves happy is to see that others are happy. After doing that, those who believe in God should pray -- not for money, not for health, nor for heaven; pray for knowledge and light; every other prayer is selfish.

~ Swami Vivekananda

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 10, 2013, 02:11:34 PM »
Dhamma is not upheld by talking about it.
Dhamma is upheld by living in harmony with it."

~ The Buddha ~

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 10, 2013, 09:06:56 AM »
Dear Ravi


Thanks for sharing this excellent post on Sri Kanchi Mahaperiva .
This is the essence of the above i.e talking high philosophical things but being spiritually lazy  :
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அந்த யக்ஞாதிகளைப் பண்ணணுமே தவிர, அதுதான் எல்லாம்—னு சும்மா வாயால சொல்லிண்டு, ஆனா அதையும் பண்ணாம, அதுக்கு அழைச்சிண்டு போறதுகளையும் பண்ணாம விட்டுடறது தனக்குத்தானே ஹானி உண்டாக்கிக்கறதுதான்.

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 10, 2013, 08:05:42 AM »
Sage of Kanchi Power of Sound Vibrations
Not all mantras that create benign vibrations are necessarily meaningful. In this context we have the example of the music. The alapana of a raga (the elaboration of a musical mode) is "pure" sound, that is, it has no words, but it is still is capable of producing emotions like joy, sorrow, etc. During the researches conducted by a university team, it was discovered that the vibrations created by the instrumental music quickened the growth of the plants and resulted in a higher yield. Here is a proof that the sound has the power of creation. Also to be noted is the fact that the instrumental music played to the plant does not obviously have any verbal contact--- this establishes that the sound has its own power.

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சித்தர்கள் இராச்சியம்

இராமலிங்க அடிகள் life during (1825 - 1858)

Author: தோழி / Labels: வள்ளலார்
http://www.siththarkal.com/search/label/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D
இராமலிங்க அடிகளாரின் இளமைப் பருவம் பற்றி கூறப்படும் பல்வேறு சம்பவங்கள், அவரையொரு அசாத்தியமான சக்திகள் நிறைந்த மிகை மனிதராகவே காட்சிப் படுத்துகின்றன. பின்னாளில் ஆன்மிகத்தில் அவர் தொட்ட உயரங்களை மனதில் கொண்டு அவருடைய அணுக்கத் தொண்டர்கள் இத்தகைய தொன்ம சித்திரங்கள் நிறைந்த இளமைக் காலத்தை கட்டமைத்திருக்க கூடும் என்கிற எண்ணமே எனக்கு மேலோங்குகிறது.

உதாரணத்திற்கு சில சம்பவங்களை பட்டியலிட விரும்புகிறேன்.


    ஐந்து திங்கள் பருவத்தில் சிதம்பர ரகசியத்தை வெட்ட வெளியாக காட்டப் பெற்றது.


    ஒன்பதாம் வயதில் முருகப் பெருமானால் ஆட்கொள்ளப் பட்டது


    பிள்ளைப் பருவத்தே திண்ணையில் இருந்து விழாமல் காக்கப் பெற்றது.


    வடிவுடையம்மை அண்ணியார் வடிவில் தோன்றி உணவளித்தது.


இத்தகைய சம்பவங்களின் சாத்திய அசாத்தியங்கள் மற்றும் அதன் நம்பகத் தன்மைகளை தீர்மானிக்கும் பொறுப்பினை வாசித்துக் கொண்டிருக்கும் உங்களின் முடிவிற்கே விட்டுவிடுகிறேன்.

நமக்குக் கிடைத்திருக்கும் குறிப்புகளின் படி வள்ளல் பெருமானார் தனது பன்னிரெண்டாவது வயதில் ஞானவாழ்வை மேற்கொண்டதாகத் தெரிகிறது. தன் ஆன்மிக வாழ்வின் துவக்க நாட்களில் திருத்தணிகை முருகனே இவரது விருப்ப தெய்வமாய் இருந்திருக்கிறார்.பின்னர் கந்தகோட்டம் முருகனையும் ஆராதித்திருக்கிறார்.

இந்த கால கட்டத்தில் அவருடைய வழிபடு தெய்வமாக முருகனும், வழிபடு குருவாக திருஞான சம்பந்தரும், வழிபடு நூலாக திருவாசகமும் இருந்திருக்கின்றது. தன்னுடைய சற்குரு பற்றி பின்வருமாறு கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

உயிர்அனு பவம்உற்றிடில் அதனிடத்தே
ஓங்கருள் அனுபவம்உறும்அச்
செயிரில்நல் அனுப வத்திலே சுத்த
சிவஅனு பவம்உறும் என்றாய்
பயிலுமூ வாண்டில் சிவைதரு ஞானப்
பால்மகிழ்ந் துண்டுமெய்ந் நெறியாம்
பயிர்தழைந் துறவைத் தருளிய ஞான
பந்தன்என் றோங்குசற் குருவே.

- ஆளுடைய பிள்ளையார் அருண்மாலை (திருவருட்பா)

துவக்கத்தில் முருக பக்தராய் இருந்தவர், பின்னாளில் சென்னையை அடுத்த ஒற்றியூரில்(தற்போது திருவெற்றியூர்) உறைந்திருக்கும் சிவனிடம் மனதை பறிகொடுத்து சிவபக்தராகியிருக்கிறார். சிதம்பரம் நடராஜரும் வள்ளல் பெருமானின் இஷ்ட தெய்வம். சிதம்பர ரகசியம் பற்றி தானறிந்து கொண்டதை பெருமானார் பின்வரும் பாடலில் இவ்வாறாக கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

தாய்முதலோ ரொடு சிறிய பருவமதில் தில்லைத்
தலத்திடையே திரைதூக்கத் தரிசித்த போது
வேய்வகைமேல் காட்டாதே என்றனக்கே எல்லாம்
வெளியாகக் காட்டிய என் மெய் உறவாம் பொருளே
காய்வகைஇல் லாதுளத்தே கனிந்தநறுங் கனியே
கனவிடத்தும் நனவிடத்தும் எனைப்பிரியாக் களிப்பே
தூய்வகையோர் போற்றமணி மன்றில்நடம் புரியும்
சோதிநடத் தரசேஎன் சொல்லும்அணிந் தருளே.

 -  அருள்விளக்க மாலை (திருவருட்பா)

Source :
http://www.siththarkal.com/

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General topics / Re: Sri Vinayaka Chaturthi - 09.09.2013
« on: September 09, 2013, 08:54:06 PM »
Vinayagar Nanmani Maalai  is by Poet Subramania Barathi [விநாயகர் நான்மணி மாலை] – by some accounts this was published out of handwritten manuscripts in 1929 posthomously.  which has Venba, Kalithurai, Vrutham, and Agaval pieced together brilliantly.

Here is a short piece of the same sung beautifully by Sirgazhi Govindarajan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D6d1BjyQiQ
பக்தி யுடையார் காரியத்திற் பதறார், மிகுந்த பொறுமையுடன்
வித்து முளைக்குந் தன்மைபோல் மெல்லச் செய்து பயனடைவார்,
சக்தி தொழிலே அனைத்துமெனிற் சார்ந்த நமக்குச் சஞ்சலமேன்?
வித்தைக் கிறைவா, கணநாதா, மேன்மைத் தொழிலிற் பணியெனையே.

( The Meaning of the above : In the words of Bharathi, those who are truly devoted would not be impatient and would not do things in a hurry for they know how life grows out steadily out of seed; and for those who are given to understanding the divine power is everything ~ also know that all they need to do is to work with esteem rest being taken by Divine shakthi.  )

எனக்கு வேண்டும் வரங்களை

    இசைபேன் கேளாய் கணபதி!

மனத்திற் சலன மில்லாமல்,

    மதியில் இருளே தோன்றாமல்,

நினைக்கும் பொழுது நின்மவுன

    நிலைவந் திடநீ செயல்வேண்டும்.

கனகுஞ் செல்வம்,நூறுவயது:

    இவையும் தரநீ கடவாயே. 20


Here is a link to the complete Vinayakar Naanmani Malai of Subramania Bharati

http://mahakavibharathiyar.blogspot.in/2009/08/blog-post.html

Another link to some information about this work
பாரதியின் பகவத் கீதையும் விநாயகர் நான்மணி மாலையும்
http://nailango.blogspot.in/2007/11/blog-post_04.html
Note : I am searching more about this wonderful work of Sri Subramania Barathi and those who have more links to the above work can share it here and today being the Auspicious day of Ganesh Chaturti happy to find this beautiful work of Subramania Barathiar .

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General topics / Re: Sri Vinayaka Chaturthi - 09.09.2013
« on: September 09, 2013, 08:36:05 PM »
Vinayagar Agaval sung by MS Subbulakshmi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biUUwelIaxE

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Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Kind request for your prayers please...
« on: September 09, 2013, 05:00:21 PM »
Dear Sanjay

Group prayers are always very powerful and surely will help your child . Attend to what is to be attended and rest the Divine Grace will take care .
I will send special prayers for your child during my daily prayers .
The blessings of Bhagavan Ramana and Annamalai Swamy are with you and your family .


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General topics / Re: Sri Vinayaka Chaturthi - 09.09.2013
« on: September 09, 2013, 11:55:15 AM »
Read the VinAyagar Agaval- Kanchi Mahaswamigal
devotee:...... Kadarshop AV VengkaTarAman, SrIranggam
author:....... Kadarshop AV VengkaTarAman, SrIranggam
compiler:..... T.S. Kothandarama Sarma
source:....... Maha PeriyavaL - Darisana AnubhavangaL vol. 2, pages 117-119
publisher:.... VAnathi Padhippaham (May 2005 Edition)


About forty-eight years ago, PUjyashrI MahASvAmigaL was camping in a small village called VETTamangalam near MayilADuturai. At that time PeriyAr EVR started the movement of breaking the PiLLaiyAr images. When the date of breaking the images was announced, the sacred group of SivanaDiyArs--Shiva devotees, in KumbakoNam were upset; they met ShrIShrI PeriyavAL at VETTamangalam and asked him, "What retaliative measure are we to take for this?" PeriyavAL gave them these words of blessings: "Let all the bhaktas from tomorrow go to PiLLaiyAr temples and break coconuts and do abhiSheka-Aradhanas."

To aDiyEn--myself, ShrI PeriyavAL gave a sign in silence and with orders to publish his message in the magazine asking everyone to do pArAyaNam of the "VinAyagar Agaval". An additional order was given to print and distribute freely, the "VinAyagar Agaval" book blessed by AvvaiyAr. A surprising thing about this was that I did not know about the existence of a book called "VinAyagar Agaval". I could not also understand his silent sign indicating AvvaiyAr. Nor could I understand his gestures about the "VinAyagar Agaval" book. Then he wrote the name on the sand and showed it to me. It was night time and there was not enough light from the electric lamp where PeriyavAL was sitting. Then he asked for a slate and chalk to be brought and showed me the name by writing it on the slate. I understood it. Accordingly, the "VinAyagar Agaval" book was printed and distributed freely. All the magazines and newspapers carried PeriyavAL's message to the people to do pArAyaNam--recitation, of the "VinAyagar Agaval". I had the bhAgyam of seeing PeriyavAL's handwriting which was like printed letters.

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:)  Nice imagination --  but the problem with our Bhagavan Ramana Maharishee school  is only a very few are really attracted to this Naan Yaar and Mathrubuteshwara Lingam.   Our Bhagavan Ramana also does not care -- infact he is happy to sit only with a few like us.   :)

A slight correction .A lot of people are attracted but Very few are only mature ,eligible and committed  for Naan Yaar ( like there is lot of attraction to attend Bhagavad Gita and Upansihad lectures but very few have the sadhana chatustya i.e 4 fold qualifications needed for Vedantic Study ) .Rest believe that they are very much ready for this and that is the big crowd and that is what Sri Ravi is worried will over crowd Arunachala .
Uttarakhand region which was a place meant  for serious pilgrimage and serious sadhana slowly turned out to be a tourist spot and for all fly by night Swamis to build Ashrams and resorts claiming to teach Yoga , Vedanta , Spirituality etc  and attracting all forms of  tourists in the name of spiritual travel and finally Mother Ganga felt that enough is enough and showed her anger and wiped of most of the structures and gave a severe blow to everyone that now only the bravest of brave will venture out there .
I hope we do not provoke  father Arunacahala to do a similar thing in Arunachala as I see similar Uttarakhand symptomsof fly by night Gurus and Ashrams all over Arunachala .

By the way here in this link I have shared in depth my views on some people claiming to follow only Bhagavan Ramana


http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=6940.msg53807#new

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 04, 2013, 10:48:48 AM »
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This is typical of Sri Bhagavan;He expects everyone to be utterly sensitive and aware and rise to the occassion.He does not 'spoon feed'.He does not 'Tutor'.He only throws 'hints'.The Onus is on the aspirant.He has to rise to the required level.This does not mean -'I can do the way I wish'.The aspirant has to constantly be doing the 'Homework' and everyday come up with something better than what he has been doing in the yester years.This Very spirit or 'Obsession' is Earnestness.

The above quote is from Sri Ravi from Anil's thread . I did not want to disturb that thread with my discussion of the above quote and hence sharing it here .
Ravi has pointed out very clearly where the problem lies when we interpret Jnani's like Sri Ramana .The problem is many people lack the fundamentals and try to build a huge structure without the basic fundamentals . Bhagavan's message is very simple and direct for the most mature spiritual person but it is very vague and confusing for the unripe /immature spiritual person .
I will give an example from my own family itself . A few cousins of mine decided Sri Ramana to be their one and only Guru and removed all other pics of other family deities from their puja altar and kept only Bhagavan's Pic . They believed that they have surrendered completely to Bhagavan .They used to go to Ramanaashram when they get time . But apart from that they were neither serious in doing the atma vichara of Bhagavan nor reading his works daily or regularly attending any form of Ramana Satsangh .
Things were going smoothly ( they never had any major problem ) but then suddenly their mother was diagnoised with Cancer , then they just became highly insecure and thought the Gods are punishing them for removing their pics , the Kula Deivam is Punishing them ( they also stopped visiting our Kula Deivam and thought Visit to Ramana Asharm was more than enough ) and started visiting our Kula Deivam , did abhisheikam to our Kula Deivyam ,started running around all the temples nearby , doing puja , collecting Vibhuti , Kumkum etc . Still the Cancer was not receding .They were only symbolically praying to Bhagavan Ramana but their thoughts were on how best to mitigate this problem through some pariharams .  They consulted astrologers , naadi jyotisham etc  . Last they felt that they need the help of a Living Guru and they had someone who was close to Sawmi Nityananda ( this was before the scandal came out ) and at that time Nitayananda was popular for healing people whatever may be their condition .They had a personal meeting with him and were highly impressed by his talk and his assurances . He gave them some prasad and told them do some chanting and since he was busy at that time he could not meet their mother and told no problem next time he will follow it up .But within a few days he was caught in the TV Sting operation and my cousins were devastated . By this time  their mothers condition was slowly sinking and she passed out a couple of months later .

This is not the condition of just my cousins .I see this trait in many of my friends etc who say they have surrendered to Bhagavan Ramana ,Arunachala and swear they are their only Gurus and when a slight problem comes in their life ( like loss of job , some medical operation to be done , financial / domestic problem etc ) they run to astrologers , naadi jyotisam , Godmen ,their kula deivam , doing all pariharams etc . These people actually do not do any form of sadhana in their own day to day life . These people are very spiritually lazy ( i.e lazy to do what is basically done in every Hindu household as lighting lamp , doing daily nitya karma , some chanting and scriptural study , observing fasts , doing monthly ammavasya , annual sharddham for parents , visiting Kula Deivam once a year etc etc ) and to cover this laziness they  boast that  these are kindergarden stuff and they consider themselves to be  highly  evolved to practice Bhagavan's teachings directly and the fact is they neither do that also properly . These people have no dietary discipline, have strange sleep hours ,watch lot of TV , surf lot of internet ,and just once in while get emotion with regard to Bhagavan Ramana and Arunacahala when they visit there or read a book of his  . They neither read his works regularly , nor attend Ramana Satsangs or have satsanghs in their own house  but get  terribly shaken up with the slightest problem in their life .
I am also not in favor of people doing daily rituals but at least that must be compensated by other form of some sattvic sadhanas like taking sattvic food , having satsangs at house or attending satsangs , reading regularly the divine works and learning to face difficulty without running to astrologers, sooth sayers , Godmen especially when you say you have surrendered to a great Jnani like Bhagavan Ramana .

We need to be honest withourselves as to where we stand . My test for spiritual maturity is not what you talk when things go fine in your life but how you behave when crisis comes in your life . There is nothing wrong in sincerely attempting and being a failure in our sadhana but deluding ourselves that we are great  sadhaks and are ready for the direct path  when we have barely put the basic foundation in place is a dangerous thing especially when we have no living  Guru to point our flaws and guide us .

But I also wish to point out that my views above are based on the people whom I interact with close by and  should not be taken as an opinion of all the other serious Ramana devotees many of whom I may not have met .I have also seen some genuine followers of Bhagavan and who have totally surrendered to him and most of such people have either moved in to Ramana Ashram , or Thiruvanamalai and some silently keep following his teachings at their home  . These people care a damn for money or body illness but that number is in a minority in what I have personally seen .

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General topics / Re: Sri Vasant Kothari - merged with Sri Bhagavan
« on: September 03, 2013, 06:18:45 PM »
Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for this news,I am yet to go through the saranagathi magazine  .I have met Sri Kothari in one of my trips to SriRamana Ashram few years back and he was introduced to me by another Yoga friend of mine . A very soft spoken man and totally surrendered to Bhagavan and Arunachala .
It is a blessing he merged with Bhagavan , Arunachala on an auspicious Sravana Pournami Day .

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Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: September 02, 2013, 09:58:43 AM »

LOL

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 01, 2013, 04:59:40 PM »
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atmavichar(Krishna),
The Interesting thing is that almost everyone thinks that he is fit for exclusive self-enquiry

Dear Ravi

I leave it to the respective individuals to evaluate themselves whether they are fit exclusively for self enquiry or not . According to Bhagavan Ramana and Annamalai Swamy they both prefer sadhaks to  focus on the direct path of self enquiry from the start and put  all their energies in that direction . For such people only religious rules and regulations come secondary . Even then Bhagavn out of supreme compassion did not disturb those who were following such practices like in the case of Kanakammal and KunjuSwami ( I have given their examples in the other thread on Ekadasi ) and they themselves dropped it seeing the futility of the same especially in the direct presence of Bhagavan .
But we need to understand that both Kanakammal and Kunjuswami were full time sadhaks , totally surrendered to Bhagavan and had the blessings of his direct physical presence while pursuing their sadhana .


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Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Sattvic curry recipe for lentils or beens
« on: September 01, 2013, 04:31:38 PM »
One more link for no onion , no garlic Indian Vegetarian recipe .

http://www.vegrecipesofindia.com/recipes/no-onion-no-garlic-recipes/

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