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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 24, 2013, 04:26:22 PM »

When I first came to Bhagavan and heard him repeating constantly that everyone must eventually come to the path of self-enquiry, I wondered whether he was being partial to his own teaching, but I soon understood why he insisted that this is so. The final goal is only oneness, and to experience oneness our mind must subside, which will happen entirely only when we attend to nothing other than ourself.
So long as we attend to anything other than ourself, our mind cannot subside, because attention to other things sustains it, since that which experiences otherness is only this mind. When the mind subsides completely, only self-attention remains, and self-attention alone is the state of absolute oneness. Bhagavan used to repeat this teaching every day, maybe ten or twenty times, but still we didn’t change. He didn’t change his teaching either, because to him this truth was so clear.

Sadhu Om in 'Mountain Path'

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 24, 2013, 04:22:39 PM »
The effects brought about by fate, a product of your own past actions, can always be countered by your efforts now. Never lose heart if you do not succeed initially. Keep on trying and you are bound to succeed. – Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 22, 2013, 08:59:19 PM »
Everyone cries “Sanatana Dharma is on the decline”, and repeats it endlessly, but does not stop, to have an introspection into his own conduct. He, who does not set an example himself, but goes on blaming others for the decline of dharma, is the greatest enemy of Dharma.-  Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 22, 2013, 08:58:09 PM »
Practice "Who am I?" constantly, continuously. "Who is this I that has this problem, this fear, this frustration? Where did the I come from?" As you keep separating yourself from the I daily, continuously soon you will not have to voice these things. It will be automatic. Whatever situation unveils itself, you will not say anything you will just look at it and smile and not be involved in it whatsoever. You will have risen to a higher consciousness, just by smiling at the condition, the situation. But if you are not practicing, then when a situation confronts you'll get angry, mad, upset, depressed and the rest.

~ Robert Adams

...from "Whatever You See Is The Self" - February 25, 1993

General topics / Re: Discussion on the Quotes of Shankaracharya's
« on: September 22, 2013, 08:56:11 PM »
Everyone cries “Sanatana Dharma is on the decline”, and repeats it endlessly, but does not stop, to have an introspection into his own conduct. He, who does not set an example himself, but goes on blaming others for the decline of dharma, is the greatest enemy of Dharma.- Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 22, 2013, 09:39:10 AM »

An excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

THE YOUNGER NAREN: "Sir, have we any free will?"
MASTER: "Just try to find out who this 'I' is. While you are searching for 'I', 'He' comes out. 'I am the machine and He is the Operator.' You have heard of a mechanical toy that goes into a store with a letter in its hand. You are like that toy. God alone is the Doer. Do your duties in the world as if you were the doer, but knowing all the time that God alone is the Doer and you are the instrument.
"As long as the upadhi exists there is ignorance. 'I am a scholar', 'I am a jnani', 'I am wealthy', 'I am honourable', 'I am the master, father, and teacher' -all these ideas are begotten of ignorance. 'I am the machine and You are the Operator' - that is Knowledge. In the state of Knowledge all upadhis are destroyed. When the log is burnt up entirely, there is no more sound; no heat either. Everything cools down. Peace! Peace! Peace!

The above is the quote posted by Sri.Ravi in Anil's thread .
Nothing more be elaborated .It is the essence of all the Gitas/Upanishads .  The discussion on fate and free will will never be ending but  instead of discussing if we use the above quote as a message for our  own reflection during our daily meditation then we will understand the depth of it and accept life without much resistance .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 21, 2013, 08:52:48 PM »

Otherwise, just sit and look at your thoughts. Let your mind do whatever it likes. Let it become as nasty as it wants! Let the mind tell you all kinds of things — scary things, happy things, wrong things, right things.

The mind is only here to make trouble for you, that's all. But when you do not allow the mind to make trouble for you, it disappears! And how do you do this? By not reacting to your thoughts. By not allowing them to feel anything. Where do these thoughts come from? Nowhere. They are called
false imagination. All thoughts are false imagination. False imagination is like the water in the mirage. That's where your thoughts are. They appear to come to you but they don't exist. If they were real you'd be able to grab them, hold on to them, save them, put them in a box, store them away. But
you cannot do this, which proves that they have no substance. How can they frighten you?

by Robert Adams

General Discussion / Re: Sri Ramanasramam - Calendar and Diary for 2014.
« on: September 21, 2013, 06:01:30 PM »
Thanks Subramaniam Sir for this info .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 19, 2013, 08:58:41 AM »
Sage of Kanchi
Sankara, who has expounded the ideals of Selfrealisation and jnana, says: "Vedo nityam adhiyatam taduditam karma svanusthiyatam" (Chant the vedas every day. Perform with care the sacrifices and other rites they enjoin upon you). The Acharya wants us to conduct sacrifices not for happiness in this world, nor for the enjoyment of the pleasure of paradise. No, not for any petty rewards. Sankara exhorts us to carry out Vedic works without our hearts being vitiated by desire. This, according to his teaching, is the way to make our mind pure in order to realise the Self.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 18, 2013, 10:10:26 AM »

Top Ten Buddhism facts you should know

by Jaya
About 2500 years ago, Siddhartha Gautama, a prince likely to become king of several northern states in India, stepped out of his palace to see the real world. He was shocked to learn that the world, contrary to what he had seen inside the palace, was full of suffering. Siddhartha set out on a quest to find the truth and the permanent solution to sufferings such as death, disease, old age, etc. After many years, Siddhartha became the ‘Buddha’ – the Enlightened One. Buddhism as a religion, practice or philosophy as you choose to call it, is based on his teachings. Listed below are top 10 Buddhism facts that you should know.

1)      Cause and effect is the universal law of universe

bbncommunity.comBuddhism recognizes ‘Cause and Effect’ or Karma as the universal law. According to Buddhism, in the transient world, all humans receive good, bad or other outcomes according to the nature of their dispositions and actions. Heaven, in terms of Buddhist principles is the point when the mind of a seeker is freed from the Karmic cycle. It is the point at which a person masters himself. The mind, at that point, is like a tranquil ocean with no ripples of thoughts or emotions.

2)      Buddhism as a religion was born because of the Hinduism

bbncommunity.comSiddhartha Gautama was a Hindu prince by birth. He was born at a time when Hinduism, the oldest religion in the world, was in the grip of superstitions, caste-system and corruption in Vedic way of life. Siddha systems of learning had nearly vanished from the society. Gautama went on to find his own answers (which later become guiding principles of Buddhism) because Hinduism could not satisfy his urge for absolute truth. It is due to this reason that Hinduism and Buddhism, the two spiritual traditions of the East, are quite similar and dissimilar at the same time

3)     It’s the 4th largest religion in the world

bbncommunity.comThe spread of Buddhism, as many people presume, is not limited to Tibet, Thailand & Sri lanka. There are well over 360 million people all over the world who practice and adhere to the teachings of Buddhism. The number is growing with each passing year as people in the West have begun taking deep interest in Buddhism, its teachings and rituals

4)     Buddha is not a god. He is a teacher.

bbncommunity.comBuddhists do not look up to Buddha as God, as most people think they do. He’s revered as a teacher or spiritual guide. Buddhists look up to Buddha for wisdom and guidance. Many Buddhists meditate upon Buddha to find their own answers or absolute wisdom.

5)     Buddhism does not teach that everyone in the world destined to suffer.

bbncommunity.comIt is a common misconception about Buddhism. The fact is: Buddhism accepts the world as ‘temporary’ or ‘transitory’. Therefore, the suffering, too, is temporary and there’s a way out of this suffering called the Middle Path. The whole religion or philosophy of Buddhism is based on it.

6)     Non attachment does not imply Buddhists can’t have relationships.

bbncommunity.comWhen most people learn that monks and other Buddhists practice non-attachment, they simply presume that the religion has no place for relationships or a so called ‘normal life’. To be detached, in terms of Buddhism, is to be control of one’s one self and be detached to everything happening in the world. If practiced regularly, this non-attachment can indeed help a person have the most fulfilling relationships.


7)      Buddhism compliments science

bbncommunity.comBuddhist principles and doctrines, like Vedic scriptures in Hinduism, complement science to a great degree. Over the last couple of years, many parallels have been drawn between Buddhist literature and findings in Quantum Physics. These parallels have, in particular, been drawn by considering ‘spiritual’ principles of Buddhism that appear to indicate sublime truths now being discovered by quantum physicists.

The next three facts we bring you are highly controversial matters. They have to be analyzed with the right mind set. We wish to bring you separate discussions on these three subjects as one may argue the authenticity of these three points. For an example we believe Buddhists should be vegetarians and there are enough evidences, facts and reasons to justify that Buddha was vegetarian himself. Besides, the doctrine clearly condition that eating meat does not fulfill the main percepts on Buddhism.

  However we state this hoping that we can have a fruitful discussion later on these three subjects.

8)      Reincarnation is a doctrine, not an absolute truth

bbncommunity.comA large number of people all over the world, especially those who’ve recently heard about Buddhism, think that it fully accepts the system of reincarnation. Yes, it is true, but it’s only partial truth. It’s only a Buddhist doctrine based on the belief that energy or soul conditioned by experiences takes birth over and over again until it’s finally liberated. The higher truth propagated by Buddhism, however, is that a seeker should hold break free from all ‘views or opinions’ about the world. The doctrine is, but a stepping stone to that point.

9)      Buddhists may or may not believe in god

bbncommunity.comWhile some Buddhists believe in God, others are agnostic. Yet, few others believe in demigods like Hindus do. Whether they believe in God or not, they make it a point to meditate on their own selves to find the higher truth, beyond an accepted belief. Like Hinduism or any other religion in the world, Buddhism, too, has a multitude of different traditions. It’s in the core philosophy of Buddhism (e.g. Bhagavad Gita or Upanishads in Hinduism) that a seeker can truly rely on for wisdom and direction.

10)   Vegetarianism is not a commandment

Many schools of Buddhism preach non-violence and motivate all their students to turn vegetarians. However, the fact is – vegetarianism is NOT an absolute requirement or commandment for Buddhists. To eat or not to eat meat is a personal choice in Buddhism. A Buddhist can quit eating meat when he or she has a reason or feels an inner calling to do so. Buddhism strictly prescribes that no living being should be killed but it does not prohibits consumption of a naturally dead animal.

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 16, 2013, 06:54:44 PM »
Kaupina Panchakam:

Sri Sankaracharya:
Subramaniam Sir

It seems Adi Shankara wrote Kaupina Panchakam keeping Bhagavan Ramana in Mind .It completely reflects the way Bhagavan Ramana lived especially in the early stages before the Ashram came .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 16, 2013, 02:17:45 PM »
Bhavani Ashtakam
A Prayer to Mother Divine,Bhavani, written by Shri Aadi Shankaracharya.

This poem addressed to Mother Bhavani by a helpless devotee who feels he has not done any religious duties , has no idea of yoga , tantra , mantra , has done lot of bad deeds in the past  etc yet he wants to be devoted to Mother Bhavani and prays to her that she is the only refuge for him . The spirit of the prayer can be used when praying to one's Ishta Devata like Shiva , Subramanya , Narayana , Krishna , Arunachala etc

1.1: Neither the Father, nor the Mother; Neither the Relation and Friend, nor the Donor,
1.2: Neither the Son, nor the Daughter; Neither the Servant, nor the Husband,
1.3: Neither the Wife, nor the (worldly) Knowledge; Neither my Profession,
1.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

2.1: In this Ocean of Worldly Existence which is Endless, I am full of Sorrow and Very much Afraid,
2.2: I have Fallen with Excessive Desires and Greed, Drunken and Intoxicated,
2.3: Always Tied in the Bondage of this miserable Samsara (worldly existence),
2.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

3.1: Neither do I know Charity, nor Meditation and Yoga,
3.2: Neither do I know the practice of Tantra, nor Hymns and Prayers,
3.3: Neither do I know Worship, nor dedication to Yoga,
3.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

4.1: Neither do I Know Virtuous Deeds, nor Pilgrimage,
4.2: I do not know the way to Liberation, and with little Concentration and Absorption,
4.3: I know neither Devotion, nor Religious Vows; Nevertheless Oh Mother,
4.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

5.1: I performed Bad Deeds, associated with Bad Company, cherished Bad Thoughts, have been a Bad Servant,
5.2: I did not perform my Traditional Duties, deeply engaged in Bad Conducts,
5.3: My eyes Saw with Bad Intentions, tongue always Spoke Bad Words,
5.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

6.1: Little do I know about The Lord of Creation (Brahma), The Lord of Ramaa (Goddess Lakshmi) (Vishnu), The Great Lord (Shiva), The Lord of the Devas (Indra),
6.2: The Lord of the Day (Surya) or The Lord of the Night (Chandra),
6.3: I do not know about other gods, but always seeking Your Refuge,
6.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

7.1: During Dispute and Quarrel, during Despair and Dejection, during Intoxication and Insanity, in Foreign Land,
7.2: In Water, and Fire, in Mountains and Hills, amidst Enemies,
7.3: In Forest, please Protect me,
7.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

8.1: I am Helpless, Poor, Afflicted by Old Age and Disease,
8.2: Very Weak and Miserable, always with a Pale Countenance,
8.3: Fallen Asunder, Always surrounded by and Lost in Troubles and Miseries,
8.4: You are my Refuge, You Alone are my Refuge, Oh Mother Bhavani.

General topics / Re: Discussion on the Quotes of Shankaracharya's
« on: September 16, 2013, 02:00:30 PM »
Though this thread had been opened a long time before to discuss the quotes ,teachings and incidents of Adi Shankara and other Shankaracharyas ( of Kanchi , Sringeri etc ) ,it was not used much and I thought of reviving the same today after discussing about Bhavani Ashtakam in another thread .
So let all future discussions related to Shankaracharya's , their life and work be posted here and the other thread can be used to just post the quotes and incidents so that it helps those who want to just read them alone without getting distracted by the discussions .I myself went through some of the old posts and really felt refreshed and inspired reading them again .

The quote for discussion today is this :

What does the statement, “Ishwara protects us” mean? Does it mean that Ishwara handles us like a shepherd herding his cattle with a stick in his hand? No, what is meant is that the Lord protects us by entering our minds and inducing appropriate thoughts. There is a prayer in the Vedas:” May the supreme Lord who is the sole cause of the entire cosmos and of even Hiranyagarbha, the creator, induce noble thoughts in my mind”.- Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

There is a saying in Sanskrit "vinasha kale vipreet buddhi "i.e when one looses ones sense of discrimination then it is a sign of bad time and sign of good times is when noble and elevating thoughts come to our mind . Thousands of thoughts flow through our mind but only few selected one bring a great positive transformation in a person . This is the work of Grace /Ishwara who plants those positive thoughts in our mind .
We may have seen this in our own lives i.e some people may have gifted us some good spiritual book or we may have bought it in some spiritual shop or ashram but would not have read it fully and it might be just lying there accumulating dust but suddenly one day we will take it and read it and find that book to be a great spiritually transforming one .
Or it can be through reading some random quote / post in this forum or any other forums that we might have overlooked in the past and after some time the same quote / post becomes very spiritually inspiring for us .
Is this a random event ?
It appears on the outside like that but actually it is not so . Some small good deeds and activities that we have done over the past have blessed us with this positive thought at this point of time .
That is why Hindu Sashtras always advice us to do daily prayers , fasts , charity , pilgrimage ,helping others  in distress etc etc which might look very trivial to start with but over a period of time this has a cumulative affect .
Many years back I chanced to listen a talk on "Thirumandiram" and there the speaker told that according to Thirumular doing Tapas need not be very big and elaborate , it can be simple thing like feeding a crow , feeding a cow , feeding a guest etc and this "small tapas" over a period of time will have a cumulative positive effect on your life .

Others can share their thoughts on this .

MS Subbulakshmi was the first musician ever to be awarded the Bharat Ratna.Today i.e Mon 16 Sept 2013 is her 97th Birthday and so in tribute to her sharing this small piece of shloka "Hrudaya Kuhara Madhye" that was composed by Bhagavan Ramana in 1915 . There is a tamil version following this sasnkrit version and I do not know much about it .If anyone can elaborate more about this shloka I will be happy .

Hrudaya Kuhara Madhye - Sung by MS Subbalakshmi

This sloka arose in the following circumstances: In 1915, the Maharshi spent the rainy season at Skandasramam. One day Jagadeesa Sastry, sat with a paper in his hand which the Maharshi noticed and enquired about. Sastry said "I have commenced writing a sloka. I could compose only the first phrase but could not go any further' Bhagavan took up the paper containing the phrase "Hridaya kuhara madhye' (In the interior of the Heart cave). Thereupon he completed the sloka.

Sri Ramana Gita appears to be a commentary on the sloka "Hridaya kuhara madhye".

Sanskrit Shloka :

Hridaya Kuhara Madhye Kevalam BrahmaMaatram

Hyahamahamiti Saakshaat Aatma Rupenena Bhati

Hridi Visha Manasa Svam Chinvata Majjata Va

Pavanachalana Rodhat Aatmanishto Bhavatvam

Meaning :

Brahman is glowing lustrously in the middle of the cave

of the Heart in the shape of the Self, always proclaiming

‘I am, I am’. Become an Atmanishta, a Self-realised person,

either by making the mind absorbed in the search of the

Self or by making the mind drown itself through control

of the breath.

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