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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 22, 2013, 05:59:46 PM »

" What is the obstacle to one-pointed meditation? The answer is the unstill mind. All problems are caused by the mind, by the desires arising in it. It is not easy to
control the mind and keep it away effectively from desire. If we ask the mind to think of an object, it seems to obey us for a moment, but soon it takes its own course, wandering off. When I speak to you about meditation and tranquillity, for a moment your mind will perhaps become still and you will be happy. But in a trice it will go astray and the calm you experienced for a few seconds will give place to unquietness.

If you bid your mouth to keep shut, it obeys you for a brief moment. Similarly, if you close your eyes asking them not to see anything, they shut themselves off from the outside world for some moments. But try as you might to tell your mind not to think of anything, it will not listen to you.

The mind must be kept under control. Thinking and non-thinking must be governed by your will. Only then can we claim that it is under our control, that we are masters of our own consciousness.

Lunatics are usually referred to as people with no control over their minds. In fact none of us have any
control over the mind. A madman keeps blabbering. But what about us? We let the mind go freely to keep blabbering inwardly.

Do you know what it means to have mental control? Suppose you are suffering from a severe pain. If you ask your mind not to feel the pain, it shall not feel it in obedience to you [that is you will not feel the pain]. Even if a tiger comes face to face with you and growls you will feel no fear if you ask your mind not to be afraid of the beast. Now we keep crying for no reason. If the mind is under control we will keep smiling even if
there is cause for much sorrow. And under the gravest of provocations it will not be roused to anger and will remain calm.

First we must train our mind not to keep wandering
. One way of doing it is to apply it to good activities. When oil falls in a steady flow, without spraying, it is called "tailadhara". The mind must be gathered together and made steady. It must be accustomed to think of noble and exalted objects like the Lord. Eventually, the very act of "thinking" will cease and we will dissolve in Isvara to become Isvara.

Yoga is controlling the mind in this manner.

Before we pass on, we must find a way to control the mind. Otherwise, we will be born again and we will be subject to the constant unquietness of the mind again. So we must use the opportunity of this birth itself to subdue the mind even while we are in the midst of so much that can rouse our desire or anger. A man who has succeeded in bridling his mind thus is called a "yukta" by the yogins. He is a "sukhin", one who truly experiences bliss, so says Sri Krsna.

You must not turn away from yoga thinking that it is meant only for people like the sages. Who needs medicine? The sick. We suffer from manovyadhi, mental sickness. So we must take the medicine that cures it.

There are two different ways of mastering the mind- the first is outward(bahiranga) and the second is inward (antaranga)
. We must have recourse to both. The Matha has a cartman and a cook. Their work is outward in nature. Then there are those who prepare the wicks of the lamps, gather flowers for the puja - they are "inward" workers. Both types are needed for the functioning of the Matha. By employing both the outward and inward means, the mind must first be applied to good things one pointedly and eventually lead to a state in which it does not think of anything at all.

The outward means consists, for example, of sandhyavandana, sacrifices, charity and so on. The best inward means is meditation. There are five inward(or antaranga) means to aid meditation. They are ahimsa
(non-violence), satya(truthfulness), asteyam(non-stealing), sauca(cleanliness) and indriya-nigraha [subduing the senses, if not obliterating them]. To practise ahimsa is to imbue the mind with love for all and not even think of harming others. Asteyam means not coveting other people's goods. For satya, or truthfulness, to be complete one's entire being, including body, mind and speech, must be involved in its practice. Sauca is hygiene, observing cleanliness by bathing, maintaining ritual purity, etc. Indriya-nigraha implies limits placed on sensual enjoyment. "The eyes must not see certain things, the ears must not hear certain things and the mouth must not eat certain things"- restrictions with regard to what you can see, listen to, eat and do with your body. The body is meant for sadhana, for Atmic discipline. The senses must be "fed" only to the extent necessary to keep the body alive. These five dharmas are to be practiced by all Hindus without any distinction of caste or community."

-Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Mahaswamiji

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 22, 2013, 09:04:25 AM »
“Wherever a person goes, his deeds, like a shadow, will follow.”~ Gautama Buddha

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 21, 2013, 12:38:45 PM »

General Discussion / Re: please advise some prayachitham
« on: November 21, 2013, 08:01:24 AM »
Any suggestions to get rid of this aagamya karma is greatly welcome (i consider this particular act still into the sphere of agamya karma as this was freshly done in this lifetime and not yet added to sanchita karma list )

Except Ishwara no one knows what is the Karma we are undergoing .The Concept of Karma is quite complex as it involves lot of interrelationships with so many people and circumstances  and we have no way to know what is Prarabdha ,What is Aagami etc  For eg  like suppose if I slap someone how do I know whether it is his prarabdha to get the slap or my aagami to hit him and get a bad karma or it can be just Ishwara's drama to teach both of us as well as others a lesson through that incident?
So what is the way out ? Just be conscious of what are doing and if u feel u have made a mistake then "genuinely" apologize to the concerned person and see to it that it is not repeated again and  leave the rest   to God /Guru .

General topics / Re: urgent prayer request
« on: November 20, 2013, 01:12:21 PM »
Dear Kskat
Happy to hear that your father has been discharged from the hospital .
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 20, 2013, 07:03:24 AM »
If we are demoralized, sad and only complain, we’ll not solve our problems. If we only pray for a solution, we’ll not solve our problems. We need to face them, to deal with them without violence, but with confidence - and never give up. If you adopt a non-violent approach, but are also hesitant within, you’ll not succeed. You have to have confidence and keep up your efforts - in other words, never give up. ~ Dalai Lama

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 18, 2013, 02:00:42 PM »
Do not mourn upon past..
Do not fear about the future..
Live the present without delay..
You will be healthy..
You will be pleasant..!

Buddhist Teaching

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 18, 2013, 10:26:24 AM »

Cast all claims, aspirations, desires to serve humanity and schemes to reform the world upon the Universal Power which sustains this universe. He is not a fool. He will do what is required. Lose the sense, 'I am doing this.' Get rid of egoism. ...

Have compassionate love for others but keep it secret; do not make a display of it or talk a out it. If your desires are fulfilled, do not be elated, and if you are frustrated, do not be disappointed. The elation may be deceptive; it should be
checked, for initial joy may end in final grief. After all, what­
ever happens YOU remain unaffected, just as you are.

Q: But how can I help another with his problems?
M: What is this talk of another? — there is only the One. Try to realize there is no 'I', no you, no he, only the ONE SELF which is all.
If you believe in the problem of another, you are believing in something outside the Self. You will help him best by realizing the oneness of everything, rather than by outward activity.

Conscious Immortality

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 17, 2013, 12:04:30 PM »
As the Sun of Sri Adi Shankaracharya rose, the gloom and darkness off ill-informed interpretations of the Vedas were totally destroyed. It s our duty to study Sri Adi Shankaracharya's works and understand the essence of His exposition on the Upanishadic philosophy of Advaita. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 17, 2013, 09:39:53 AM »
Devotee: Is a Jnani different from a yogi? What is the difference?

Ramana Maharshi: Srimad Bhagavad Gita says that a Jnani is the true yogi and also a true bhakta. Yoga is only a sadhana and jnana is the siddhi.

Is yoga necessary?

Ramana Maharshi:
It is a sadhana. It will not be necessary after jnana is attained. All the sadhanas are called yogas, e.g., Karma yoga; Bhakti yoga; Jnana yoga; Ashtanga yoga. What is yoga? Yoga means `union'. Yoga is possible only when there is `viyoga' (separation). The person is now under the delusion of viyoga. This delusion must be removed. The method of removing it is called yoga.

Devotee: Which method is the best?

Ramana Maharshi: It depends upon the temperament of the individual. Every person is born with the samskaras of past lives. One of the methods will be found easy for one person and another method for another. There is no definiteness about it.

~ from 'Talk 580'

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 17, 2013, 08:23:02 AM »
Today Sun 17 Nov 2013 is the auspicious day of Guru Nanak Jyanthi . Guru Nanak Devji was a symbol of love, tolerance and compassion. His divine message of devotion to God, excellence of conduct and tolerance has timeless relevance for the mankind .My recent visit ( in Oct 2013)to Golden Temple in Amritsar ,Punjab and other Sacred Sikh Shrines around Amritsar was really a spiritually inspiring one and I was able to get a direct experience of what Guru Nanak and Other Sikh Gurus stood for and I am still immersed in that bliss .For those interested in understanding GuruNanak's true message kindly read Osho's book "The True Name -Talks of the Japuji Sahib of Guru Nanak" .
Spoken with authority, clarity, sharpness and humor, Osho’s insights into the JapuJi of Guru Nanak address both the timeless and timely concerns that tend to escape our notice in the clamor and overload of daily life. Osho's commentary is considered to be the best of all, even in the Sikh community.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 15, 2013, 04:12:01 PM »

"One of our duties as human beings is to avail ourselves of every opportunity to do good to others. The poor can serve others by their physical labor and the rich by their wealth. Those of you who are influential can use your influence to better the condition of others. That way, we can keep alive in our hearts the sense of social service.

India is a poor country; but it is the poor that joined together in ancient times and built the grand temples and towers which we find today in every town and village of South India. The economy of those days was different from what it is now. People's wants were few and the surplus produce of the land was utilized to hire labor to build these great structures of public utility and spiritual admiration.

In the present day, social service is viewed in a different manner. Schools and hospitals are built and banks organized on a community basis with the object of eradicating ignorance, diseases and poverty. But it is evident that these forms of social service have not been an unmixed blessing.
Education has not eradicated falsehood and corruption. On the other hand, unsophisticated tribal people, whom modern education has not reached, are found to be more honest than the so-called educated people. Confidence of obtaining cure in hospitals has made people lead reckless lives. All the banks that have come into existence have not succeeded in eradicating poverty among the masses.

In our modern mode of life, we have multiplied our wants. This will lead only to perpetual discontent.
A life of extreme simplicity alone can bring contentment and happiness to the people. In this country, there are, what may be called, community temples. For instance at Avadayarkoil, it is the custom to offer large quantities of cooked rice to the presiding deity and this rice is made available to all at a nominal cost. In many temples the sense of community life is fostered by devoting special days and occasions for it. Consecrated food is made available through them to all those in need.

Gratitude for help received is a cardinal virtue. The taxes that you pay to the Corporation of Madras and to the Government are your expression of gratitude for the services rendered by those agencies. There are super-human agencies which confer benefits on us. We must express our gratitude to those agencies in the manner prescribed in the Vedas. This expression of gratitude is known as yagna. Though schools, hospitals and banks and such other social service organizations may be necessary in the context of
our present times, these institutions cannot serve their respective purposes in the absence of devotion. The one cure for all human ills is the power to endure them with faith in God’s grace. Bhakti alone can give that power of endurance. Temples are the agencies for the cultivation of bhakti. Hence the obligation to build temples in every place.

What is the significance of making offerings to the idols installed in temples? This is done as an expression of gratitude to the Power that created all things. Man by himself cannot create even a blade of grass. We will be guilty of gross ingratitude if we do not offer first to God, what we eat or wear. Only the best and the choicest should be offered to God. It is not everyone that can do pooja at home and make these offerings to God. It is here that temples come into the picture. Offerings are made to God in the temples on behalf of the entire community.

It is not even necessary that every one should worship inside the temples every day. Gopura darsanam will itself elevate our minds and make us remember the source from which we derive all the earthly benefits. At the same time, it is necessary for the community to see that worship at the temples is conducted properly. We should make it a point to see the temple tower every day and thereby concentrate a while in the contemplation of God. At least once a week we should go round the temple, reciting naamaas (God’s names) and doing bhajan. If we do so, we will derive real and lasting benefit."

-Mahaperiyava Chandrasekharendra Saraswati

(October 7, 1957)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 15, 2013, 10:10:02 AM »
Sage of Kanchi

The Daksinamurthi who remains still is the one who dances the dance of bliss, who destroys the demon Tripura and who keeps roaming as a mendicant. After granting boons to his devotees he goes from place to place. He is still inwardly but is in a frenzy outwardly. If we manage to still ourselves inwardly we will be able to do so much outwardly.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 10, 2013, 07:16:01 PM »
Don't worry about methods. If you are sincere and honest, and have a true desire for freedom, even wrong methods will take you there. Therefore, give rise to the desire 100 percent, and the rest will take care of itself. What you are doing is not important, the end is important. You can do anything you like. The end must be that "I have to be free." You must be sincere, serious, and honest. Then don't worry about the methods. This inside Self is consciousness itself. If you do not know the correct method, it will lead you. Where you are arriving, it already knows who is coming, and it will go out to receive you in the proper way for you. You must be honest and never mind proper method.

~ H. W. L. Poonja (Papaji)

...from the book "Wake Up and Roar"

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 09, 2013, 12:14:30 PM »

My life with Bhagavan taught me the value of faith, obedience and surrender. When I obeyed Bhagavan’s words, or had complete faith that he would look after all my spiritual and physical needs, everything went well. When I tried to mold my own destiny (such as the time I went to live in the cave and the time I ran away to Polur) things went badly. Life’s lessons have thus taught me the value and the necessity of complete surrender. If one surrenders completely to Bhagavan; if one lives by his words, ignoring all others; if one has enough faith in Bhagavan to stop making plans about the future; if one can banish all doubts and worries by having faith in Bhagavan’s omnipotence – then, and only then, Bhagavan will bend and mold one’s circumstances, transforming them in such a way that one’s spiritual and physical needs are always satisfied.

Annamalai Swami

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