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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 30, 2013, 06:31:10 AM »
Do not believe a word I say. Experiment on yourself. You do not have to go anywhere. Just where you are yourself at home, begin to spend more time diving within yourself, watching, witnessing. When thoughts pop up, simply ask yourself, "To whom do these thoughts come? To me. I think them. Who am I? What is the source of the I?" As you do this, my friends, I can assure you a marvelous change will take place in your life, sooner or later, and you will become free.

~ Robert Adams

...from "I Am" - February 10, 1991

Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: November 28, 2013, 08:51:10 PM »
Funny Dog And Baby Conversation

General Discussion / Re: Kanchi Pontiffs' Case:
« on: November 28, 2013, 04:59:00 PM »

   Noted Hindu Activist ,Auditor and Journalist had this to say in his article .

    Recalling the Kanchi Sankaracharya Case

    By S Gurumurthy

    Published: 28th November 2013 06:00 AM

    When the Principal Sessions Court in Pondicherry on Wednesday (November 27) acquitted the Kanchi Sankaracharyas, Jayendra Saraswathi and Vijayendra Saraswathi, and all the others charged with the murder of Sankararaman, my mind recalled the arrest of the Sankaracharya in November 2004 and the unprecedented vicious atmosphere created by the Dravidian ideologues and parties, secular media and even liberal intellectuals against the Acharya. They sat upon the Kanchi Mutt, held the Acharya guilty and more and spread all kinds of unmentionable canards about him and the Mutt and hurt beyond words the millions of peaceful spiritual followers of the Mutt, who cried in silence with no one to console them.

    No debate on the Sankaracharya judgment will be complete without recalling the vicious and hurtful discourse against the Acharya and the Mutt and how the ancient institution and its faithful underwent the all round assault and pain silently. When the entire spectrum of secular, human rights and liberal megaphones had turned against the Mutt and the Acharya and desecrated them, it was only The New Indian Express which stood for what it believed was right-- namely that the Mutt and the Acharya were being hounded without basis and the case itself was groundless. The judicial verdict exonerating the Acharyas and all the others charged with the crime implies that the entire case was misdirected.

    Kanchi Sankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi leaves a court in Puducherry after being acquitted in the sensational Sankararaman murder case. (PTI) But, based on counter investigation, The New Indian Express said so within days of the arrest of the Acharya. “The Case Is Dead. Who Will Do The Funeral And When?” This was the title of third of the five articles on the Sankaracharya case that appeared in The New Indian Express. This article appeared on November 24, 2004, exactly 12 days after the seer’s arrest on the auspicious Deepavali day. The article opened thus: “On counter investigation, we found the case against the Sankaracharya not just slippery, but actually groundless from day one. Not just that. It involves a bit of fabrication too. Yes the fabrication to fix the Acharya. The police are running for cover. They may not give up yet and may fabricate more to put the case which is dead on life support system. But the case is irretrievably lost.”

    The dramatic turn came on Wednesday in the Kancheepuram Magistrate court. The two criminals on whom the police had exclusively relied to name the Sankaracharya as an accused in the case have actually turned to accuse the police as the fabricators of the case itself. The court judgment now pretty much says the same thing. The New Indian Express carried four more articles in my name on the Sankaracharya case. The first article titled “As the Sankaracharya stands like Abhimanyu” [NIE 23.11.2004] captured the Dravidian political and secular media theatre in the state which were hounding the hapless Acharya stung and stunned by the heinous charge against him.

    The Acharya was damaged more by the false news items planted by the police which the willing secular media and Dravidian megaphones lapped up to defame and discredit the Acharya. Another article titled “Unless the Case is Reinvestigated, Justice will not be Done” [26.11.2004] detailed how on the procured testimonies of hardened criminals the state was telling the judiciary that the Sankaracharya was “the worst criminal”. The fourth article dated 3.12.2004 was on how the case had ceased to be an investigation into a crime and had become a vicious campaign to demolish the Acharya himself. The article ended thus: “Even if, at the end, I am entirely proved wrong, I cannot shirk my duty to alert the public and sensitise the authorities about the destruction of too many values involved in this investigation which is gradually turning into a battle between the silent and silenced Kanchi Mutt on the one hand and police and its associate, the media megaphones on the other. It is no more an investigation into is now a larger design to defame and discredit the Mutt itself.” The final article titled “Will the Secular Media Heed Justice Reddy’s Warning?” appeared on January 14, 2005. This article was on the judgment of Justice Narasimha Reddy of the Andhra Pradesh High Court before whom a frivolous writ had been filed by some labour union on the basis of media reports linking some deaths [which had taken place six years ago on the premises of a mill, from where the Acharya had been arrested] to the Acharya.

    Disposing of the writ, the judge said the petitioner swayed by the media did not want to lag behind in the unprecedented process of denigration of the Kanchi Mutt, an ancient, prestigious and glorious institution with almost a 2,500-year history. He added that it was sad that an institution of such glory was targeted and persecuted in an organised manner in an independent country, by “not only individuals, but also a section of the institutions, such as the State and the Press”. He also noted that the proponents of human rights, fair play and dignity to individuals and institutions have maintained stoic silence, adding “a powerful section is celebrating or watching it with indifference” the “perfidy against the Mutt” that had shocked the nation and beyond”. He noted that the “amount of disrepute and sacrilege inflicted on Sri Jayendra Saraswathi has no comparables adding that harshest possible words were used directly or in innuendo against him” and “today he is subjected to similar treatment as was Draupati in the Court of Kauravas”. That was the state of the Acharya and the Mutt when The New Indian Express stood for truth against tsunami of vicious campaign against the Acharya.

    The reward for these articles was an arrest warrant against me and almost a search on The New Indian Express and even the Thuglak magazine, which had carried the Tamil version of the articles. As usual the judiciary came to the rescue and passed orders restraining the state. I was questioned by the Superintendent of Police who led the investigation. When I asked him why he was suspecting the Acharya to be the offender, he said that the victim had been sending highly offensive letters to the Acharya and therefore he had a motive to eliminate him. I asked him whether he thought of the possibility of someone inimical to the Acharya eliminating the victim to put the blame on the Acharya. He was blank. I told him that the criminal investigation has to exhaust all the possibilities before opting for one particular view. That is precisely what the police in the Sankaracharya case failed and neglected to do. The result was a huge and costly lapse -- and great hurt to a noble institution and to its silent and peaceful faithfuls. The Sankaracharya case verdict is a lesson for all-- the police, state, media and the liberals --every one of them sided with the police and against the Acharya. Will they now introspect?

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 28, 2013, 08:27:36 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Kanchi Pontiffs' Case:
« on: November 28, 2013, 08:21:58 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Kanchi Pontiffs' Case:
« on: November 27, 2013, 12:20:36 PM »

    I am not surprised by this verdict . The Investigative agencies are making the same mistakes time and again . If A and B are known enemies and if B is killed then they automatically come to the conclusion that only A could have done it .It is OK for normal people to think like that but not professional Investigative agencies .
    If A and B are enemies then if B is killed then while they can have the suspicion on A but at the same time they must keep their minds open to other possibilities on finding whether B has any hidden enemies like C ( who are not known to the public ) , or a third Party like D who has no enemity with B but has a grudge against A and want to settle scores with him by killing B and letting A suffer the consequences for the same .

    Professional Investigative agencies must be open to all these possibilities and rely purely on forensic evidence to nail the culprits in a Scientific manner without giving room for any bias .But most of the time due to pressure from the ruling establishment or pressure from Media or due to their own over enthusiasm in proving to the world they can solve this crime easily they jump in to hasty conclusions before hand and start investigating in only one particular direction and collect evidence in that direction only without exploring the other ways to first collect evidence from all possible angles and then go about nailing the culprits .
    But Whether they will be really allowed to explore all angles freely and scientifically by the successive ruling establishment in all cases I do not know .

General Discussion / Re: Kanchi Pontiffs' Case:
« on: November 27, 2013, 11:05:39 AM »
Shankaraman murder: Shankaracharya, all 22 accused acquitted
Source : India News

11:04 Live! Shankaraman murder: Shankaracharya, all 22 accused acquitted: Just in: All 23 accused including Kanchi Mutt seers Jayendra Saraswathi and Vijayendra -- the prime accused in the high profile 2004 Sankararaman murder case -- have been acquitted.

A Puducherry court delivered its verdict today after a trial which ran for over nine years. A Sankararaman, manager of the Varadarajaperumal temple at Kancheepuram in Tamil Nadu, was allegedly murdered on September 3, 2004, in the temple premises.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 26, 2013, 08:56:37 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 26, 2013, 07:07:54 AM »
Presently we have to train our unconscious to function better. Then we can depend upon our instincts, that will be noble instincts. At this moment, our instincts are very impure.
When we have practiced for a long time, living the higher values of life and following the instructions of great masters or the Scriptures, that is when you have trained your unconscious.
Then when a situation comes, you can to an extent, depend on your inner voice.

~ Swami Chinmayananda talking about trustworthiness of instincts.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 25, 2013, 08:43:19 AM »

The question is always asked in this respect, if it's necessary to do sadhana in order to awaken. Is it necessary to spend years in yoga techniques and pranayama, breathing exercises, to sit in meditation, to think of certain things, to pray? Is all this necessary? What do you think? Who can tell me? Student: It's not necessary, but it sure is helpful. Robert: That's actually a good answer. My question is, therefore, to whom is it helpful? Who is getting satisfaction from sadhana? Only your ego. It is true to an extent you’re subduing your ego, but you and I know many people who’ve been doing sadhana for a hundred years and nothing happened. As a matter of fact some of you become worse. It's paradoxical. For some people it causes them to move ahead. But it's all in relative terms, and as we all know by now, relative terms do not exist. So for whom is sadhana? Again it's for the mind and the ego. If you think it's helping, by all means continue. But remember I said, "You think it's helping." If you stop thinking you do not have to do any sadhana. I suppose sadhana is necessary as long as you believe you are the mind and the body. Again, after all, who is doing the spiritual disciplines? Does the self need to do that? Does consciousness need to do discipline? Does absolute reality need discipline? What needs discipline? The mind and the body. Therefore the more you are attached to the mind and body the more you have to do sadhana. Does that make sense? Student: Sadly, yes. Robert: So I won't say to you, "Stop doing it," due to the fact that many of you have a strong connection with the body and your mind. As long as you do I suppose sadhana makes you sort of quiet for a while and gives you its own experience of some peace that doesn't last too long and causes, for some people, nirvakalpa samadhi. But if you're an aspiring jnani, what's the purpose of sadhana? You simply ask yourself, "Who needs to do this? I do. What is this I, this personal I? Where did it come from? How did it get here? Who gave it birth?" As you ask yourself these questions, that is your sadhana. That's all you need to do. But you continue doing this 24 hours a day. That's what it means by praying without ceasing. As you meet the challenges of the day you keep asking yourself, "To whom does this come? Who is feeling this condition? Who is going through this situation? Who feels emotional?" As you keep doing this all day long, you will find that you become more peaceful, you become happy, and your life becomes better. That's really the only sadhana you need. But of course if you cannot do that then you have to do whatever you have to do. Whatever helps you, that's what you have to do. I suppose that's why it says that jnana marga, atma-vichara, is for the mature soul, one who can do this regularly, without reverting back to Hatha Yoga or Raja Yoga, or other Yogas. They all have their place, but self-inquiry is the royal way. It's the short cut. But it's up to you. It's your choice. And of course self-inquiry is merely to quiet the mind. It's a fast method to quiet the mind. For when you ask, "To whom does this come? It comes to me," and you hold on to that me by inquiring, "Who am I? What is I?" and saying "I - I" to yourself, "I - I," your mind becomes quieter and quieter. The deeper you go within yourself the quieter you become. And that's your sadhana. That's all you have to do.


General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 24, 2013, 07:30:49 AM »
why do we light deepam for Kathigai?
HH Sri Sri Paramcharya explained this in 3rd Volume of Deivathin Kural.

We light up a series of earthen lamps on the day of the star of Kruttika in the month of Kaartigai. At that time we are to sing this sloka as given in the saastraa-s:-

keedaa: patangaa: masagaascha vrukchaa: jale stale ye nivasanti jeevaa: I drushtvaa pradeepam na cha janma baajaa bavanti nityam svabasaa hi vipraa: II

This means, “We pray that, whosoever sees this lamp that we are lighting, they be worms, birds or mosquitoes or trees and such plants; all life forms which live in water or on earth; or may be human beings of whatever caste or creed; seeing this light may have the effect on them that all their sins are washed away and they may transcend the cycle of life and death and reach ever lasting happiness”!

Not only life forms in land and water. By saying ‘patangaa:’ (birds) and ‘masakaa:’ (mosquitoes) all flying birds and insects have been included. Though they fly in the air, the mosquitoes lay the eggs in water only. Birds similarly have to come down to a nest to rest and lay eggs. There are fishes which can live only in water while some animals like frogs and crocodiles which are equally adept in land and water. Having identified each such variety, the prayer is for cancellation of all their sins and crossing over the ocean of life.

This Kaartigai Deepam seen by any of these life forms may give them ever lasting merit, it is prayed! The word ‘drushtvaa’ in the slokam means, ‘having been seen’. ‘Vruksham’ the tree is also mentioned. The tree cannot see. As per science, the plants do have some senses. But, we do not know if they have any capacity to see. They do differentiate between sunlight and shadow and grow towards the sunlight! I feel that the interpretation is that, it does not matter even if they cannot see or do not see this light. The prayer is that, still the effect of cancellation of all sins should be there!

As light does not differentiate between Tom, Dick and Harry; between all castes, creeds and sects; between birds, animals, plants and insects; between mobile (jangama) and static (staavara) life forms; the Love from our hearts should be universally applicable and effective! With such inner intension, the outer earthen lamp should be lighted, with the prayer as quoted above to make the Kaartigai Deepam effective.

In the past during festivals, it was the custom to light up what is known as ‘chokkap paanai’, which was a massive earthen lamp. In Thiruvannamalai, it is a practice even in modern times, on Kartigai evening as the Sun goes down, to light up a huge Deepam in which several Kilo Grams of Ghee is poured in a wide hole in the rock face on top of the hill. The wick is several feet thick. It is a sight to be seen and heard some ten lac people shouting, ‘Arohara’ as the light comes on to be seen miles away.

Similarly as the pilgrimage season ends in Sabari Hills in Kerala, the light comes up on ‘Kaanta Malai Hill’ known to Ayyappa devotees as ‘Makara Jyoti’ on Makara Sankranti evening! The idea is to instill universal unconditional Love in the minds of all onlookers!

Normally there are more animals with two and or four legs. The fly, roach and beetle have six, spider has eight and some of the creepers like the centipede have many legs. There are prayers in the Veda-s seeking the welfare of two, four, six, eight and many legged animals and those without legs, such as the snake and the fish!

The fully realized soul does not differentiate between Brahmin and Non-brahmin, says Bhagawat Gita (5.18.). Though we may differ in our occupations and Karma Anushtaana, when it comes to compassion and love, there should not be any differentiation whatsoever! That is how, Rantideva did daanam to a brahmin and finally gave his last bit of water to a sudra. In this Kaartigai Deepam slokam too, all human beings are included as ‘svabasaa hi vipraa:’, meaning ‘the whole range of people from non-brahmin to the brahmin’! Our saastraa-s do not differentiate even between the good and bad, when wishing well. Our saastraa-s go even beyond and conveys its best wishes to all those residents of the Naraka (Hell) too.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 24, 2013, 07:18:35 AM »
“To be beautiful means to be yourself. You don’t need to be accepted by others. You need to accept yourself.”~ Thích Nhất Hạnh

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 22, 2013, 05:59:46 PM »

" What is the obstacle to one-pointed meditation? The answer is the unstill mind. All problems are caused by the mind, by the desires arising in it. It is not easy to
control the mind and keep it away effectively from desire. If we ask the mind to think of an object, it seems to obey us for a moment, but soon it takes its own course, wandering off. When I speak to you about meditation and tranquillity, for a moment your mind will perhaps become still and you will be happy. But in a trice it will go astray and the calm you experienced for a few seconds will give place to unquietness.

If you bid your mouth to keep shut, it obeys you for a brief moment. Similarly, if you close your eyes asking them not to see anything, they shut themselves off from the outside world for some moments. But try as you might to tell your mind not to think of anything, it will not listen to you.

The mind must be kept under control. Thinking and non-thinking must be governed by your will. Only then can we claim that it is under our control, that we are masters of our own consciousness.

Lunatics are usually referred to as people with no control over their minds. In fact none of us have any
control over the mind. A madman keeps blabbering. But what about us? We let the mind go freely to keep blabbering inwardly.

Do you know what it means to have mental control? Suppose you are suffering from a severe pain. If you ask your mind not to feel the pain, it shall not feel it in obedience to you [that is you will not feel the pain]. Even if a tiger comes face to face with you and growls you will feel no fear if you ask your mind not to be afraid of the beast. Now we keep crying for no reason. If the mind is under control we will keep smiling even if
there is cause for much sorrow. And under the gravest of provocations it will not be roused to anger and will remain calm.

First we must train our mind not to keep wandering
. One way of doing it is to apply it to good activities. When oil falls in a steady flow, without spraying, it is called "tailadhara". The mind must be gathered together and made steady. It must be accustomed to think of noble and exalted objects like the Lord. Eventually, the very act of "thinking" will cease and we will dissolve in Isvara to become Isvara.

Yoga is controlling the mind in this manner.

Before we pass on, we must find a way to control the mind. Otherwise, we will be born again and we will be subject to the constant unquietness of the mind again. So we must use the opportunity of this birth itself to subdue the mind even while we are in the midst of so much that can rouse our desire or anger. A man who has succeeded in bridling his mind thus is called a "yukta" by the yogins. He is a "sukhin", one who truly experiences bliss, so says Sri Krsna.

You must not turn away from yoga thinking that it is meant only for people like the sages. Who needs medicine? The sick. We suffer from manovyadhi, mental sickness. So we must take the medicine that cures it.

There are two different ways of mastering the mind- the first is outward(bahiranga) and the second is inward (antaranga)
. We must have recourse to both. The Matha has a cartman and a cook. Their work is outward in nature. Then there are those who prepare the wicks of the lamps, gather flowers for the puja - they are "inward" workers. Both types are needed for the functioning of the Matha. By employing both the outward and inward means, the mind must first be applied to good things one pointedly and eventually lead to a state in which it does not think of anything at all.

The outward means consists, for example, of sandhyavandana, sacrifices, charity and so on. The best inward means is meditation. There are five inward(or antaranga) means to aid meditation. They are ahimsa
(non-violence), satya(truthfulness), asteyam(non-stealing), sauca(cleanliness) and indriya-nigraha [subduing the senses, if not obliterating them]. To practise ahimsa is to imbue the mind with love for all and not even think of harming others. Asteyam means not coveting other people's goods. For satya, or truthfulness, to be complete one's entire being, including body, mind and speech, must be involved in its practice. Sauca is hygiene, observing cleanliness by bathing, maintaining ritual purity, etc. Indriya-nigraha implies limits placed on sensual enjoyment. "The eyes must not see certain things, the ears must not hear certain things and the mouth must not eat certain things"- restrictions with regard to what you can see, listen to, eat and do with your body. The body is meant for sadhana, for Atmic discipline. The senses must be "fed" only to the extent necessary to keep the body alive. These five dharmas are to be practiced by all Hindus without any distinction of caste or community."

-Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Mahaswamiji

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 22, 2013, 09:04:25 AM »
“Wherever a person goes, his deeds, like a shadow, will follow.”~ Gautama Buddha

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: November 21, 2013, 12:38:45 PM »

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