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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 30, 2014, 10:26:40 AM »
Sri Ramana regarded the law of karma as a manifestation of God?s will.

He said that prior to Selfrealization there is a personal God, Iswara, who controls each person?s destiny.

It is Iswara who has ordained that everyone must suffer the consequences of his actions and it is Iswara who selects the sequence of activities that each person must undergo in each lifetime.

One cannot escape from Iswara?s jurisdiction while one still identifies with the activities of the body.

The only way to become free of his authority is to transcend karma completely by realising the Self.

Ramana Maharshi Be As You Are page 130.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 29, 2014, 11:55:43 AM »

The third of February 1936, early morning, saw my horse-cart rolling on the uneven two-and-a-half- mile road from Tiruvannamalai railway station to Ramanashram. I was led to a small dining room, at the door of which I was asked to remove my shoes. As I was trying to unlace them, my eyes fell on a pleasant looking middle-aged man inside the room, wearing nothing but a kaupina, with eyes as cool as moonbeams, sitting on the floor before a leaf-plate nearly emptied, and beckoning me with the gentlest of nods and the sweetest smile imaginable.

I was alone in the Hall with him. Joy and peace suffused my being - such a delightful feeling of purity and well-being at the mere proximity of a man, I never had before. My mind was already in deep contemplation of him - him not as flesh, although that was exquisitely formed and featured, but as an unsubstantial principle which could make itself so profoundly felt despite the handicap of a heavy material vehicle. When after a while I became aware of my environment, I saw him looking at me with large penetrating eyes, wreathed in smiles rendered divinely soothing by their child-like innocence.

All of a sudden I felt something fall in my lap and heard the jingling of keys - my keys! I looked up at the Maharshi extremely puzzled. The man - Sri Ramaswami Pillai - who had dropped them through the door behind me came in and explained that he had gone to the railway station on a bicycle and found the station master waiting for him. It appears that during the few minutes that the train had stopped at the station a passenger had providentially entered the very compartment I had vacated, and, seeing the keys on the seat, he picked them up, and, wonder of wonders! ran up to the station master and handed them over to him. The latter by an unusual flash of intuition surmised that the keys belonged to an Ashram visitor, whom he might have seen in the train in the morning, and awaited a claim for them. It was a series of miracles which occurred on my behalf in the short space of barely ninety minutes, of which I was blissfully ignorant, absorbed as I was in the entrancing personality of this magnificent human magnet - Sri Ramana Bhagavan. It is needless to say that from that day Ramanashram became my permanent home.

-Guru Ramana

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 28, 2014, 05:02:05 PM »

D.: How long is a Guru necessary for Self-Realization?

M.: Guru is necessary so long as there is the laghu. (Pun on Guru = heavy; laghu = light). Laghu is due to the self-imposed but wrong limitation of the Self. God, on being worshipped, bestows steadiness
in in devotion which leads to surrender.

On the devotee surrendering, God shows His mercy by manifesting as the Guru. The Guru, otherwise God, guides the devotee, saying that God is in you and He is the Self. This leads to introversion of the mind and finally to realization.

Effort is necessary up to the state of realization. Even then the Self should spontaneously become evident. Otherwise happiness will not be complete. Up to that state of spontaneity there must be effort in some form or another.

Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi no 78

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 27, 2014, 09:47:03 PM »

To keep the mind in the Self one must have no desires for anything other than the Self. This is a very difficult state to attain. The desire to seek pleasures in the outside world always seems to be stronger than the desire to seek pleasure in the Self. Why is this so?

Annamalai Swami: All happiness ultimately comes from the Self. It does not come from the mind, the body or from external objects. If you have a great desire for a mango, when you finally eat one there is great feeling of pleasure. When a desire is fulfilled, the mind sinks a little way into the Self and enjoys some of the bliss that is always present there. Then it rises again. It remembers the happiness and tries to repeat the experience by eating more mangoes or gratifying other desires.

Most people are completely unaware that pleasure and happiness come from the Self, not from the mind or the body. Because most people have only experienced the peace of the Self when a great desire has been fulfilled, the come to the conclusion that the pursuit of desires is the only way to get an experience of happiness and peace.

If you try to follow this standard route to happiness you will end up with a lot of frustration and a lot of suffering. You may occasionally experience a few brief moments of pleasure, but for the rest of the time you will experience the pain of frustrated desires, of desires that don?t seem to produce any pleasure when they are fulfilled.

If you try to repeat pleasures again and again the novelty soon wears off. A mango, which you have been looking forward to for days, may give you a few seconds of happiness when you eat it, but eating five or six more will not prolong your pleasure. Prolonged indulgence is more likely to produce pain than pleasure.

Most people in the world spend their whole lives self-indulgently pursuing goals, which they think will produce happiness for them. Most of these people never stop to do mental accounts properly. If they did they would realize that each ten seconds of happiness is followed by hours or days when there is no happiness at all. Some people do realize this, but instead of giving up this way of life, they indulge in it even more. They think that with a little more effort and a little more sensory, mental or emotional indulgence they can expand the short periods of happiness and contract the longer intervening periods when happiness is not experienced.

This approach never works. If there are many strong desires in the mind, the mind cannot sink completely into the Self and experience the full peace and bliss that is there. ?

The desire-filled mind only experiences the bliss of the Self in a very diluted form. If you want the full bliss of the Self, and if you want to experience it permanently, you will have to give up all our desires and attachments. There is no other way.

- Living by the Words of Bhagavan, p. 295

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 27, 2014, 08:01:44 PM »

So I decided that the seeker himself was God or, as Bhagavan puts it, the Self. My method of meditation then, was to make the mind cease from thinking as an individual and just rest in its God-head: ?Do not think. Be!?

I recognized, of course, the danger of a blank and was under no delusion that such a blank could be a goal or an end in itself. This form of meditation I carried on, off and on, from 1924 until I came to Tiruvannamalai eleven years later. But in between times were periods when I did not meditate at all. I had a conviction that I could not lead a worldly life and at the same time strive after spiritual attainment; the two things for me dwelt in separate compartments. I had not then realized the truth of Advaita that there could be no splitting in this way, that the worldly life was just as unreal as the unworldly life, or, if you prefer, that both were as real as each other.

They were Prarabdha, which had in any case to be worked out; that actually there was no such thing as good and evil, only attachment; that actions were actions and it was identifying oneself with such that mattered and not the actions in themselves. I still believed in the importance of morals, as such, as absolute standards, and, so my meditation could be nothing but a spasmodic affair.

No doubt in some ways, at least as a beginning, this was good, for in the earlier stages there must be a rule or some sort of code to keep oneself concentrated on the work, though this rule will automatically drop away in time. However, as time went on, I became convinced that my attitude had been wrong, that, whatever one?s
life, a short period of meditation should be practiced each day, preferably in the early morning.

That the method that I devised of stilling the mind and concentrating on my own essential core, which I had decided was God, differed little from the method of seeking out the Self by constant enquiry and search for the Witness as taught by Bhagavan, there can be no doubt. I was lucky that the Truth came to me so easily. Of course it bore out Bhagavan?s saying that, ?Chadwick was with us before, he was one of us. He had some desire to be born in the West, and that he has now fulfilled.? So it seems that the memory of the teaching given in a previous birth was bearing fruit in this.

A Sadhu?s Reminiscences of Ramana Maharshi

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 23, 2014, 10:15:33 PM »

One night in the Hall there was some talk about reincarnation. Just as Bhagavan was getting up from his couch to go for his evening meal, I, as a joke, said, ?But Alan Chadwick has not been born before.?
?What, what did he say?? asked Bhagavan sharply. ?He said that he had never been born before,? someone wrongly interpreted. Of course I had not said that at all. I had meant that whatever form the ego took formerly it had never had the name and form Alan Chadwick, but had been some entirely different person. But Bhagavan replying to the wrong interpretation quickly replied, ?Oh, yes he had been, for what has brought us all together here again??

He never asked us what had brought us to him, but what had brought us again to Arunachala. He had so completely identified himself with the Mountain. This answer, though caused by a mistake, was very gratifying to me, as Bhagavan admitted the old connection between us. So must I always be with him until Self-realization, after which there will be no more he and I. I used to say that I must attain Self-realization in this life or Bhagavan would have to be born again so that I might be with him. So for his own good he must see that I gain my end in this life. Bhagavan would just smile. Though this was only said as a joke, there was a fundamental truth behind it.


General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: April 23, 2014, 09:43:53 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 23, 2014, 08:24:57 AM »
(Day by day with bhagavan)
20-4-46 a.noon

A Muslim visitor put some questions and got all the following answers.

Q : This body dies. But there is another imperishable body. What is it?

Bhagavan :
Imperishable body is a contradiction in terms. The term sariram means that which will perish. Of course, there is something imperishable, something which exists even after the body dies.

Q : It is said the Lord's light resides in the eye.

Bhagavan :
The eye does not see. That which gives light to it is the reality, whether we call it Lord's light or anything else.

Q : The lord has created all this, has He not? What was created first? It is said light or sound was created first.

Bhagavan :
All these things, which you say have been created have to be seen by you before you say they exist. There must be a seer. If you find out who that seer is, then you will know about creation and which was created first. Of course various theories as to what came into existence first from God are given out. Most, including scientists, agree that all has come from light and round.

Q : Can we call anything created, like this piece of wood, for example, God? It is said it is very wrong to do so.

Bhagavan :
Even this piece of wood, does it exist apart from God? Can we confine God to any time or space, since He is everywhere and in everything? We should not see anything as apart from God. That is all.


General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: April 22, 2014, 02:47:55 PM »
Periva Jayanthi Celebrations 2014

Dear Members,

For all devotees of the Mahaswami, the Anuradha (Anusham) Nakshatra is precious to us as Sri Maha Periva Himself.

This year, we would be celebrating His 121st Jayanthi. This year's Jayanthi of Maha Periva is all the more special as it is the exact year ('Jaya' Varsham) of the avatar of the Living God.

1894 - was the first 'Jaya' varsha that brought the God to earth, and got us His personal blessings
1954 - was the next 'Jaya' varsha when HIS 'SashtiyapthaPoorthi' was celebrated in a simple manner at Kanchi
This year 2014 is the third occurrence of the 'Jaya' varsha.

Many of us have not had the privilege and bhagyam to partake in the earlier two occurrences of 'Jaya' varshams. Let us atleast make the best use of this opportunity, and get together to celebrate HIS Jayanthi is great grandeur this year.

Details of the event:

Date: Thursday 12th June 2014
Time: Event Commencement by 0800 AM IST
Venue: Kanchi Mahaswamy Anantha Mandapam, adjacent to Sri Anantha Padmanabha Swamy Temple, Adyar, Chennai

The trustees of Dharma Paripalana Sabha and Guhananda Charitable Trust have come forward to join us in this great celebration yet again and we have decided to conduct this in a grand fashion, thanks to the Sabha.

We request you to come in large numbers and obtain Periva's blessings on this special 'Jaya' Varsha Vaikasi Anusham day.

We also require volunteers to assist us with the pooja arrangements, crowd management, distribution of prasadam etc. To confirm participation and volunteering, we have published a survey form which we request you to complete.

Request you all to take part in this grand celebrations. Please take a minute to fill up the below form.

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 22, 2014, 09:06:39 AM »
"Are you in India now? Or is India in you? Even now this notion that you are in India must go. India is in you. In order to verify it, look to your sleep. Did you feel that you were in Europe or in India while asleep? You were nevertheless existing then the same as now."

(Bhagavan in 'Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi' 304)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 21, 2014, 09:34:00 AM »
DEVOTEE: What then is the mind?

RAMANA MAHARSHI: Mind is consciousness which has put on limitations. You are originally unlimited and perfect. Later you take on limitations and become the mind.

D : It is 'avarana' (veiling) then. How does this happen?

M : To whom is the 'avarana'? It is the same as 'avidya' (ignorance), ego or the mind.

D : 'Avarana' means obscuration. Who is obscured? How does it arise?

M : The limitation is itself obscuration. No questions will arise if limitations are transcended.

~ from Talk-473

- Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya !

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 20, 2014, 10:51:27 PM »
Christ is the ego. The Cross is the body. When the ego is crucified, and it perishes, what survives is the Absolute Being and this glorious survival is called Resurrection.

6th November, 1935
Talk 86.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: April 01, 2014, 01:39:01 PM »
மஹா பெரியவா "நிம்மதிக்கு வழி":

* மனம் எதைத் தீவிரமாக நினைக்கிறதோ அதுவாகவே மாறிவிடும். அதனால், மனதில் தூய்மையான உயர்ந்த சிந்தனைகளை மட்டுமே நினைக்க வேண்டும்.

* தேவைகளை அதிகப்படுத்திக் கொண்டே செல்வதால் திருப்தி பெற முடியாது. நமக்கு அவசியமான பொருள்களை மட்டுமே வாங்கிக் கொள்வது நல்லது. எளிமை தான் நிம்மதிக்கு வழிவகுக்கும் என்பதை உணருங்கள்.

* ஓடி ஓடி சம்பாதித்தாலும் மறுபிறவிக்கு அவை துணை வருவதில்லை. அதனால் நியாயமான வழியில் பொருள் தேடி, அதன் மூலம் தேவைகளை நிறைவேற்றி மகிழுங்கள்.
* பாவம் நீங்க ஒரே வழி தியானம் செய்வது தான். தியானத்திற்காக தினமும் சிறிது நேரமாவது ஒதுக்குங்கள். அதே நேரம் புதிதாகப் பாவம் செய்யாமல் இருப்பதும் அவசியம்.
* "ஹரஹர' என்று ஜெபிப்பதால் துன்பம் நீங்கும் என்று பெரியவர்கள் சொல்லி இருக்கிறார்கள். நிம்மதி தேடி எங்கெங்கோ அலைகிறோம். இருக்குமிடத்தில் இதை செய்ய மனம் மட்டும் ஒத்துழைத்தால் போதும்.

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