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I am taking this piece of poem from Thiruvarutpa  from Sri Ravi's Thread on Thiruppavai .This is a famous piece from Saint Ramalingam's work and my question is whether the word நற்றவத்தவர்   has been used by any Saivite saints  ( like Manickavachagar , Appar ,Sundarar , Thirujnana Sambandar,Thayumanavar ,Arunagirinathr ) etc who came  before Saint Ramalingam  .Also would like to know whether saints and poets  like Bhagavan Ramana  , Muruganar ,Subramanya Bharati , Kannadasan etc who came after Saint Ramalingam used it in any of their poems . This word நற்றவத்தவர்  seems very unique to me .

பெற்ற தாய் தனை மக மறந்தாலும்
பிள்ளையைப் பெரும் தாய் மறந்தாலும்
உற்ற தேகத்தை உயிர் மறந்தாலும்
உயிரை மேவிய உடல் மறந்தாலும்
கற்ற நெஞ்சகம் கலை மறந்தாலும்
கண்கள் நின்றிமைப்பது மறந்தாலும்
நற்றவத்தவர் உள்ளிருந்தோங்கும்
நமச்சிவாயத்தை நான் மறவேனே

Petra thai thanai maga maranthalum
Pillayaip perum thai maranthalum
Utra degathai uyir maranthalum
Uyirai meviya udal maranthalum
Katra nenjagam kalai maranthalum
Kangal Nindrimmaipathu maranthalum
Natravathavar uLLirunthongum
Namachivaayathai naan maravene

Even if a child forgets its mother
Even if the mother forgets the child
Even if the soul forgets the body
Even if the body forgets the soul
Even if the mind forgets whatever is learnt
Even if the eyes forget to blink
Never shall I forget ever  the divine “Nama Shivaya”
which blazes from the heart of the Tapaswis(those in lofty penance).

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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: February 05, 2014, 12:30:46 PM »

A respectable and orthodox gentleman asked about Sri Chakra.

M.: It has a deep significance. There are 43 corners with sacred syllables in them. Its worship is a method for concentration of mind. The mind is wont to move externally. It must be checked and turned within. Its habit is to dwell on names and forms, for all external objects possess names and forms. Such names and forms are made symbolic mental conceptions in order to divert the mind from external objects and make it dwell within itself. The idols, mantras, yantras, are all meant to give food to the mind in its introvert state, so that It may later become capable of being concentrated, after which the superb state is reached automatically.


 Source :   Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi      Talk 405. 19th April, 1937

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 05, 2014, 12:18:30 PM »
Does Distance Matter?
AFTER the devotee departed, Bhagavan turned towards us and said: “People imagine that the devotees crowding around a Jnani get special favors from him. If a guru shows partiality, how can he be a Jnani? Is he so foolish as to be flattered by people’s attendance on him and the service they do? Does distance matter? The guru is pleased with him only who gives himself up entirely, who abandons his ego forever. Such a man is taken care of wherever he may be. He need not pray. God looks after him unasked. The frog lives by the side of the fragrant lotus, but it is the bee who gets the honey.”
(Selected portion of a devotee’s reminiscences.
Shantammal – speaks of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi.)
 

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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: February 05, 2014, 12:15:47 PM »
This is a scanned pic of a beautiful pencil-colored Sri Chakra drawn by Bhagavan for Venuammal, probably around the year 1920.
http://www.ashrama.org/images/sri-chakra/


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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: February 05, 2014, 12:05:21 PM »
As I have again started to study and recite Sri Lalitha Sahasranama I found the contents on this thread very useful especially the incidents that involved Bhagavan Ramana installing the Sri Chakra at the Mothers Shrine .

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 04, 2014, 09:43:26 PM »
Vedanta 1 of 15: Eligibility for Vedantic Study & Practice by Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Sringeri Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gvLeYTa8Mk

MAIN CONTENT.
:: "Sadhana Chatushtaya" - the four fold qualifications for an aspirant of Vedanta.
:: Need to approach a Guru

Delivered by Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji, 36th Jagadguru Shankaracharya of the Sringeri Sharada Peetham established by Sri Adi Shankara about 1200 years ago. Delivered on July 8, 2012, Chennai during the Chaturmasya Vrata.

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 04, 2014, 05:18:40 PM »
ELLAM ONDRE (ALL IS ONE)

On another occasion, when I asked Bhagavan to select some reading material for me, he gave me a short-list of six books: Kaivalya Navanitam, Ribhu Gita, Ashtavakra Gita, Ellam Ondre, Swarupa Saram and Yoga Vasishtam. He laid particular stress on Ellam Ondre, telling me, "If you want moksha write, read and practise the instructions in Ellam Ondre."

--- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 04, 2014, 05:14:46 PM »
THAYUMANAVAR'S FAREWELL LETTER

"Dear friends ...
withdraw the mind from the senses
and fix it in meditation.

Control the thought-current.
Find out the thought-centre and fix yourself there.
Then you will be conscious of the Divine Self;
you will see it dancing in ecstasy.

Live in that delight.
That Delight-Consciousness, is the God in you.
He is in every heart.

You need not go anywhere to find Him.
Find your own core and feel Him there.
Peace, bliss, felicity, health - everything is in you.

Trust in the Divine in you.
Entrust yourself to His Grace.
Be as you are.
Off with past impressions.

He who lives from within an ingathered soul-life
is a real Sage though he may be a householder.
He who allows his mind to wander with the senses
is an ignoramus, though he is learned.

See as a witness, without the burden of seeing.
See the world just as you see a drama.
See without attachment, Look within.

Look at the inner light unshaken by mental impressions.
Then, floods of conscious bliss
shall come pouring in and around you from all directions.
This is the supreme Knowledge;
realize !

Aum Aum ! "


Thayumanavar or Tayumanavar, Tamil: தாயுமானவர் (1705–1742), pronounced Thāyum-ānavar, is one of the spiritual giants and a Tamil philosopher from Tamil Nadu, India. Thayumanavar articulated the Saiva Siddhanta philosophy. He wrote several Tamil hymns of which 1454 are available. His first three songs were sung 250 years ago at the Congress of Religions in Trichinopoly. His poems follow his own mystical experience, but they also outline the philosophy of South Indian Hinduism, and the Tirumandiram by Saint Tirumular in its highest form, one that is at once devotional and nondual, one that sees God as both immanent and transcendent.

Thayumanavar's key teaching is to discipline the mind, control desires and meditate peacefully. He went on to say that "it is easy to control an elephant, catch hold of the tiger's tail, grab the snake and dance, dictate the angels, transmigrate into another body, walk on water or sit on the sea; but it is more difficult to control the mind and remain quiet".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thayumanavar

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 03, 2014, 09:35:40 PM »
Lalitha Sahasrananamam enunciates the Vedantic truths and describes the Paradevata's saguna rupa; the ways of worship and the manner in which She blesses Her devotees. May all devotees gain their well-being by reciting the Lalitha Shasranama- a veritable Kalpavriksha (wish-fulfilling tree). - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 03, 2014, 02:07:28 PM »

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What was Bhagavan's Opinion on "SriVdiya" worship ? Is there any reference to this . ( Note : I am asking about SriVidya worship and not the SriVidya Homam )

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I am quite familiar with that wonderful quotation from the Essays on The Gita-The Point is that neither a Ramakrishna nor a Vivekananda or The Buddha or a Ramana went about consulting whether they should renounce the world or not-The inner compulsion was quite authentic and paramount for them.

Dear Sri Ravi

That is why I have highlighted in  the Sri Aurobindo's  quote "the call is strong within us" . Till the call is strong there will be confusion and lack of clarity and any amount of answers from anyone will not help person A,B,C .  Renouncing the action or not is not important as all people who renounced the normal life did more vigorous actions in terms of Establishing Institutions etc and even Bhagavan Ramana who did not move away from Thiruvanamali did lot of work in the Ashram getting up daily at 3 a.m feeding the cows first , the cutting the vegetables and preparing food for everyone in the kitchen and always made himself available to people from all walks of life .Swami Sivananda gave his Doctor life in Malaysia but established the Divine Life Society in Rishikesh and worked nearly 20 hrs daily till the end of his life . So bottom line is "how clear are u regarding the larger purpose of your life " . Once that is clear choosing an active , contemplative life or partly contemplative / partly  active life  is easy  and the conflict will be less .


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The following piece from Sri Aruobindo's "Essays on Gita "is worth contemplating


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In human life some sort of a clash arises fairly often, as for instance between domestic duties and the call of the country or the cause, or between the claim of the country and the good of humanity or some larger religious or moral principle. An inner situation may even arise, as with the Buddha, in which all duties have to be abandoned, trampled on, flung aside in order to follow the call of the Divine within. I cannot think that the Gita would solve such an inner situation by sending Buddha back to his wife and father and the government of the Sakya State, or would direct a Ramakrishna to become a Pundit in a vernacular school and disinterestedly teach little boys their lessons, or bind down a Vivekananda to support his family and for that to follow dispassionately the law or medicine or journalism. The Gita does not teach the disinterested performance of duties but the following of the divine life, the abandonment of all dharmas, sarvadharman, to take refuge in the Supreme alone, and the divine activity of a Buddha, a Ramakrishna, a Vivekananda is perfectly in consonance with this teaching. Nay, although the Gita prefers action to inaction, it does not rule out the renunciation of works, but accepts it as one of the ways to the Divine. If that can only be attained by renouncing works and life and all duties and the call is strong within us, then into the bonfire they must go, and there is no help for it. The call of God is imperative and cannot be weighed against any other considerations.

 

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: January 29, 2014, 08:19:00 AM »
Sage of Kanchi
Equanimity of the Mind in pleasant and unpleasant situations
When a good thing happens our mind gets excited about it. The excitement is as bad as the one we get when an unhappy thing occurs. In both cases the equanimity of the mind is the victim. Only when the mind is steady without any vibration can one have the enlightening realisation of the Atman. Thus even the excitement that naturally follows a happy feeling should have to be ‘endured’. It is another kind of forbearance. When we do not think of a weight as a burden, it does not any more weigh with us. When there is no weight on either side the needle of the weighing balance is steady and straight. Think of the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ as the two side-plates of such a balance. On whichever side you may place a weight, the balance is going to tilt. So neither the experience of the unpleasant nor the emotional excitement that might be caused by the pleasant should be allowed to tilt the needle of the balance from its normal equanimous position.

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 28, 2014, 05:07:52 PM »
Dr. T. N. Krishnaswamy gives an account of his experiences as the `official photographer' of the Ashram. As confirmed by Sri Bhagavan, the Divine assumes a visible, physical form out of Grace to give solace and guidance to devotees. The importance of Sri Bhagavan's pictures is therefore obvious.

OWING TO MY busy life in Madras I could usually spend only a day or a part of a day at Tiruvannamalai when I went there. I always took my camera with me and I used to spend the whole time with the Maharshi and take as many photos of him as I could. I was afraid he would get annoyed at my persistence, but he never did. I have photographed him walking, sitting, eating, wiping his feet. I have caught him smiling and laughing, speaking and silent, and also in samadhi. Once he was going up the Hill when it started to rain and he was offered a home-made palm-leaf umbrella and I snapped him using it. I took another picture of him using an ordinary umbrella and smiling broadly as he did so.

Sometimes I used to wonder if it was not ridiculous of me to pay so much attention to photography when his teaching was that "I am not the body". Was I not chasing the shadow and even trying to perpetuate it? At the time I paid very little attention to his teaching. I was attracted only by the beauty and grace of his person. It gave me immense pleasure to take pictures of him. He was more important than, his teaching.

Later, when he was no longer bodily with us, I turned to his teaching; and then I found that the Grace of his Presence had prepared me for it. I had been attracted to him as a child is to its mother, without knowing why I had derived sustenance from him as a child does from its mother. I was glad afterwards that I had enjoyed his presence when he was bodily with us. The following little incident shows how he himself approved of people worshipping the physical form assumed by the Divine.

One day I was walking on Arunachala with the Maharshi when he picked up one small stone from the path and held it out to me saying, "Someone has written from abroad asking for a stone from the holiest part of the Hill. He does not know that the whole Hill is sacred. It is Siva himself. Just as we identify ourselves with a body, so Siva has chosen to identify with the Hill. Arunachala is pure Awareness in the form of a Hill. It is out of compassion to those who seek him that he has chosen to reveal himself in the form of a Hill visible to the eye. The seeker will obtain guidance and solace by staying near this Hill."

~ from Surpassing Love and Grace

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