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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 02, 2014, 06:10:14 PM »
Subramaniam Sir

With regard to your questions , I can say my grand father ( my mothers father ) nearly lived like what you have asked except that  he did not do Agni Hotram and he lived till 98 years . As for me right from the time my father died in 1999 till date I do the ammavasya regularly ( I hardly have missed any ammavasya ) , do the Mahalaya Tarpanam and annual Sraddham and give very generously to my family priest . In fact I was blessed to get a wonderful family priest after the death of my father as when he died he never had a priest and the last 10 years of my fathers life he never did any tarpams etc as the regular family priest who used to come died in an accident and he got fed up with others who were not coming on time and some would never turn up at all etc etc .
My Yoga Journey ( by the grace of Swami Sivananda ) started in mid 1997 and might be that was the grace that blessed me with a very good and learned priest after my father's death in Mid 1999 and till now I am maintaining him and giving him generously daksina and also contributing financially to his Vedic Trust whenever I can . It was due to this priest I could get a close audience with  Sringeri Acharya Sri Sri Bharati Teerta Mahaswmigal when he visited Chennai in 2012 for Chaturmasya and I consider it as another big blessing in my life .

I know that I cant live a life as a true Brahmin as per the questions given by you but at the same time I felt that one must understand in depth as much as possible and practice as much as one can  the Vedic Dharma as practiced by our ancestors which are nothing but instructions from the Rishis  . India is a land of excellent spiritual and cultural treasures like Vedic Dharma , Yoga Sastra , Ayurveda , Siddha , Vaastu Sastra , Silpa Sastra , Astrology , Temple Architecture , Natya Sastra , Music etc etc and one must do one's best to Understand and learn at least one of these treasures and pass it on to the next generation  . My Primary sadhana is the Yoga Sadhana but at the same time being a Brahmin I felt that I must at least Understand the essentials of the Vedic Dharma as relevant to one's day to day life and in this regard I can consider myself only as a student still studying the same and trying to imbibe as much as possible in my own day to day life and for this I take guidance from the teachings of Kanchi Mahaswamigaland Sringer Acharyas .

There is one set of people who believe that either you follow all the rules of  a Brahmin or follow none .I do not subscribe to this view .I have kept for myself the priority  to study and follow what best as I can . One thing is for sure if you follow these Vedica Karmas in form and spirit it promotes lot of sattva and keeps the mind calm and  one pointed and that is very key for pursuing Jnana Marga .
BTW we tend to take consolation from the fact that not many people are following these things .It depends upon what sort of people whom you keep meeting in day to day life . There are still dedicated people belonging to Kanchi and Sringeri Mutt and other Vaishnava Mutts who follow these things very seriously and after retirement they spend more time in these activities . These people are spending their retirement time very wisely instead of watching TV / Reading News papers non stop . My brother who is in USA is right now learning Sri Rudram from a software consultant in USA who even though staying in USA is very seriously following the  Vedic Dharma as much as possible there and in fact teaching others Sri Rudram .So there are still people attending their day to day work plus following their Vedic Dharma as much as possible .They were blessed to be initiated  in to this path quite early in their life by their parents / Grandparents and those samskaras still stay with them when they grow up . For the rest I feel instead of giving it up as too late I say "Better late than Never ".

General Discussion / Re: performing rituals to the departed
« on: June 02, 2014, 02:23:18 PM »
Thanks Sri Ravi for continuing to share Sage TGNs views on Karmic Imprints and how it gets transferred from Parents to Children and how one needs to get rid of the same .
One question I have here . We have seen / heard about cases where the couple are very pious and devoted but have a son who is highly notorious and people say that the parents are good but the son has inherited these  negative traits form his Uncle ( either father's side / mother side ) .So how  can this be explained ? Are imprints to be taken to be the collective imprints of the whole family ( parents , grandparents , cousins , uncles , relatives and extended relatives etc etc )  and not just the  imprints of the couple in question ?
In this regard I wish to point out one incident in Kanchi Mahaswamigal's life about a boy whose father was a great Vedic Scholar but his son was smoking Cigarettes and taking alcohol and even though Kanchi Mahaswamigal advised him to mend his ways he ran away refusing to mend his ways and no idea what happened to him later  ( This incident was discussed in this forum itself before ). So  my take is that this boys father being a Vedic Scholar well known to Kanchi Paramacharya would not have such qualities ( like smoking / drinking ) then how come this boy have those qualities ?

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: June 01, 2014, 10:30:11 PM »

General Discussion / Re: performing rituals to the departed
« on: June 01, 2014, 06:51:11 PM »
In this sadas,there were a couple of persons who chanted the Rig vEda(if I recall right)and they announced that they were specially deputed to learn it from a solitary exponent of that Branch of Veda in the North west by Kanchi mahAswAmi

This is the real why many of the branches of Vedas were lost and how due to the timely arrival of Kanchi Mahaswamigal *on this earth some of the branches of Vedas  that were on the verge of dying were preserved and being now passed on to the next generation . No doubt today CDs , Pen Drives etc are available to store the Vedic Mantras . They can be useful for laypeople like us to listen but for Vedas to really be kept alive they need to have real humans taking interest in the same and follow the Guru Sishya Sampradaya to learn and pass it on to others . For those individuals who cannot be part of this direct Guru Sishya relationship best is to help support those who are doing this .

* : When I say that Sri Kanchi Mahaswaigal did lot of work in preserving the Vedic tradition ,I do not mean to say that no other Acharya / Individual /Institution did the same . Many people have contributed to the revival of Vedic Dharma in the last 100 years or so  in various ways  but since I am more aware of the role played by Sri Kanchi Acharya I am pointing this fact .

General Discussion / Re: performing rituals to the departed
« on: June 01, 2014, 01:33:23 PM »
So,I am afraid your friend is totally mistaken and his claim of 20000+  mantras not containing any references to pitr karma goes up in air

When it comes to Vedic Mantras we need to understand that the current available Mantras is only a part of what was originally available and many Vedic Branches have been lost .  Kanchi Mahaswamigal did extensive work to see to it that what is available does not shrink further due to lack of people taking interest in preserving Vedas . When he was talking of preserving Vedas he was not talking just of preserving it in CDs/Printed books etc but in real human form through teacher student relationship .So when we claim some thing is missing in Vedas we have to first understand that we are basing our views only with regard to the available Vedic Mantras and not the Original set of Vedic Mantras .

Coming to the topic of doing rituals and ceremonies for the dead there is one view that these are basically designed by the selfish Brahminical priestly class to further their own interest . No doubt there is a lot of commercial exploitation of these rituals / ceremonies by the Priestly class but there are lot of people who also do these things sincerely and I go with what Sri Kanchi Maha Swamigal has said about how to do these rituals and ceremonies .

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: The Vedas
« on: May 31, 2014, 08:53:32 PM »
.If only a few get to read this and even understand a little of this,and feel the urge to explore the vedas,it will be a homage to this great sage with whom it has been a privilege for us to have lived in this birth on terra firma.His words have the power that will bear fruit in its time.

Dear Sri Ravi

Thanks for starting this thread on "Vedas" with the beautiful explanation of the same by Kanchi Maha Swamigal .   His explanations on Vedas and other things related to Indian Culture is always very refreshing and inspiring .

Jaya Jaya Shankara Hara Hara Shankara .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 30, 2014, 11:31:42 AM »
Do not attempt to run away from surroundings that are not to your liking. God has placed you there to make you grow quickly. If you get all your desired comforts in a particular place you will not grow strong. So never complain about unfavourable surroundings. Triumph over all difficulties ~Swami Sivananda

General Discussion / Re: Nochur Venkatraman
« on: May 28, 2014, 12:13:30 PM »
Could anyone of you please guide me as to how I will get the grace of Guru Ramana and Shiva so that I can get inner voice of Ramana as to what path I need to take to realize.

Dear Mahadevan

Best way to receive the Grace of Bhagavan Ramana is to read his works and join a Ramana Satsang in whichever City / Town you are . The first step on spiritual path is to be part of a satsangh . Even this forum is a sort of cyber satsang . If there is no Ramana Satsang in your area then best is to keep a picture of Bhagavan Ramana  in your room and read his works daily  for a few minutes early morning and also before retiring to bed . If you know Tamil then best is to follow the Tamil Parayana ( the audio and text is available for download freely on the Ramana Ashram website ) and use his Tamil works as a daily prayer and start doing this and the divine grace will itself guide you to the next stage .
All the best in your Sadhana .

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: May 26, 2014, 08:49:47 AM »
Power of Vedic Chanting

The sound of the mantras does good to the man chanting them as well as to the listener by producing vibrations in the nadis of both As it fills the air it will be beneficent both in this world and in the next.This is the reason why the Vedas must be chanted with vigour, so that their sound reaches the utmost limits possible.

Kanchi Paramacharya

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 25, 2014, 10:08:46 PM »


One day Bhagavan was telling us that the Tamil Saint Manickavasagar?s body disappeared in a blaze of light leaving no residue. I asked him how that had happened and he explained that the body is solidified mind. When in Jnanam the mind dissolves and consumes itself in a blaze of light, the body is burnt up in the process. He gave Nandanar as another example of this. I mentioned the case in the Bible of Elijah being carried up to Heaven in a chariot of fire, a poetic way of saying the same thing. I asked if Christ?s disappearance from the tomb had resembled this in any way, but Bhagavan pointed out that this was entirely different, for Christ?s body remained for a time after death, whereas the bodies of the others had been immediately and utterly consumed. He explained that the subtle body is composed of light and sound and that the gross body is a concrete form of the same.

A Sadhu?s Reminiscences of Ramana Maharshi

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: May 25, 2014, 01:13:20 PM »
ஆத்ம ஸ்வரூபம்

ஞானிக்கு ஆத்ம ஸ்வரூபத்தைத் தவிர வேறெதுவுமே தெரிவதில்லை. ஒரே பரமாத்மாதான் இத்தனையாகவும் தெரிகிறது என்று கண்டுகொண்டவன் அவன். வெளியிலே தெரிகிற தோற்றத்தை மாயை என்று தள்ளிவிட்டு, எல்லாவற்றுக்கும் உள்ளேயிருக்கிற பரமாத்ம ஸ்வரூபத்தை மட்டுமே அனுபவிக்கிறவன் அவன். வெளிப் பார்வைக்குத் தெரிகிற உலகம் மாயை என்று ஆகிவிட்டதால், இந்த மாயா லோகத்தில் ஞானிக்குக் காரியம் எதுவுமே இல்லை. பார்க்கிறவன், பார்க்கப்படுகிற வஸ்து, பார்வை எல்லாமே ஒன்றாக அடங்கிப் போனவனுக்குக் காரியம் எப்படி இருக்க முடியும்? அவன் பிரம்மமாகவே இருக்கிறான் என்று உபநிஷத்து சொல்கிறது.

பிரம்மத்துக்குக் காரியம் இல்லை. ஆனால், இந்த மாய உலகத்தில் அகப்ப்ட்டுக் கொண்டு காரியங்களைச் செய்து வருகிறவர்கள் ஈசுவரன் என்று ஒருவனைப் பூஜை செய்து தங்கள் காரியங்களை நடத்தித் தரவேண்டும் என்று பிரார்த்திக்கிறார்கள். நல்ல காரியங்களுக்காக நல்ல மனஸோடு, பிரார்த்தித்தால் ஈசுவரனும் அவற்றை நடத்தித் தருகிறார். இதிலிருந்து ஈசுவரன் காரியமே இல்லாமல் இருப்பவரல்ல என்று தெருகிறது.

ஜகத்குரு காஞ்சி காமகோடி ஸ்ரீ சந்திரசேகரேந்திர சரஸ்வதி சங்கராச்சார்ய சுவாமிகள்]

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: May 25, 2014, 12:53:34 PM »
By the Grace  of  Kanchi Acharya

Both the kidneys did not function. Survival was very difficult. He had spent a lot of money visiting several specialists and took the medicines prescribed by them, but all was in vain.

The man came to Periva and poured out his grief. Generally, Periyava would show kindness and compassion towards devotees who come with such problems, but on that day He spoke quite harshly.

?People commit mistakes and adharma, and come here when they have a problem. They don?t realize their faults at all. What can I do??

Why this sudden outburst from Periyava? ? no one could understand.

After a while, Periva said, ?This man?s ancestors had established a Trust for doing dharma activities. They had left behind land which gave a good yield. It was intended to erect water booths (தண்ணீர் பந்தல்) and carry out the dharma activities. But this man has sold the land, and gobbled up all the money?.

The man who came with kidney problems felt very guilty. ?Henceforth, I will erect water booths (தண்ணீர் பந்தல்) and carry out the dharma activities?, promised the man.

Periyava at once softened!

?Are you aware of Vasambu? (வசம்பு Acorus calamus also called as Common Sweet Flag ? a medicinal plant) You will get it in traditional stores selling herbal medicines. Grind it and apply under your belly regularly?, said Periyava.

The man came again for darshan after about ten to twelve days. Even before Periva could ask, he said ?There is no trouble now!?

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: May 23, 2014, 08:36:28 PM »
When we commence to chant a mantra we must meditate on its adhi devata, or presiding deity, and feel his presence in our hearts. This is the reason why we touch our hearts as we mention the name of the deity.- Kanchi Paramacharya

General topics / Re: Reality of Shiva, Vishnu and other forms
« on: May 22, 2014, 02:06:19 PM »

Q: Many people feel an urge to worship something which is apart from themselves. They are not very attracted to the Self. Instead they want to worship an external Guru or a God.

AS: Worshipping forms of the deity or of the Guru is a useful aid
for as long as one is not mature enough to know the formless
of Bhagavan reality. These forms are just signals which point to the unmanifest reality.

If you want to point out a particular star to someone you might say, 'You see the tip of that leaf on the tree? The star is just to the
left of it.'

The leaf is only a signal which helps you to shift your attention
to what you really want to see. The form of the Guru is a similar signpost. He exists with a form as a perpetual reminder to us that our attention should always be on the formless reality.

Q: I am following the path of devotion and surrender. I like to do
puja and other ritual acts because they help me to keep my attention on God. Is it good to restrict our concept of God to a particular form?

AS: Pujas and different aspects of God are for those who want worldly things. As God is present in all forms, the best puja is to worship Him in all forms. The whole universe is a manifestation of
God. If you can love all beings in this universe equally you are
performing the highest and greatest puja.

Living by the Words of Bhagavan p. 291

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: May 22, 2014, 09:57:17 AM »
Sri Maha Periva Sri Pada Darsanam with Guru Paduka Stotram 

A beautiful compilation of Guru Paduka Stotram, interwoven with Periva's rare photos - carefully chosen sets where you can get to have his Padam/Paduka darshan in almost every photo. For further details visit or

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