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Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: forum devotees and their fate
« on: June 20, 2017, 09:30:33 PM »
It has been a long time since I corresponded with Udai and he maintains a blog but it is not frequently updated .
No doubt lot of social media groups related to Bhagavan have come up but I still like to use this forum to post not only post any interesting quote or teaching from Bhagavan ,Annamalai Swamy or other great teachers but also get valuable pointers from other's postings .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 20, 2017, 06:07:38 PM »
Saint Tayumanuvar once said, 'Why all these maha yogas [great yogas]? All these yogas are maya!'
If you try to meditate without understanding that your real nature is Self, and Self alone, your meditation practice will only
lead you to more mental bondage.
Bhagavan once said. To keep the mind in the Self all you have to do is remain still'.
To realize the Self you don't actually have to do anything except be still. Just give up identifying with the mind and hold onto the Self. That is enough. Be still and cultivate the awareness of ?I am the Self; the Self is all'. What difficulties can arise from doing a simple practice like this?
Q: The mind doesn't want to be ignored. It wants to spin round and round forever. I came to you because I thought that you might be able to help me to gain some control over my wayward thoughts.
AS: 'Who came here for help?' Find out who that person is. Don't automatically assume that he exists and that he needs help with his problems. If you think like this your problems will increase, not decrease.
Identifying oneself with the body and the mind results in
ignorance of the Self. This is how the ego takes birth. Detaching ourselves and disengaging from the body and the mind results in the death of the ego. Bhagayan once said to me: The one who limits the Self by believing himself to be the body and the mind has ?killed? his own Self.
For killing the Self he has to be punished. The punishment is birth and death and continuous misery.'
Living by the Words of Bhagavan, p. 287/88

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 18, 2017, 10:39:51 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« on: June 18, 2017, 04:12:18 PM »
Thanks Ravi for the link and I downloaded the same .

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: June 12, 2017, 11:52:55 AM »
?Don?t drop directly into bed without lifting your vibration level ( through Meditation , Prayer etc ) . When you get up, you will see that you have been fully recharged. Otherwise, your body is under tension and, like a tap dripping water, it will drip prana ( subtle energy ) unnecessarily so that when you wake up, you won?t even have the energy to get up.? - Swami Vishnudevananda

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: June 08, 2017, 08:36:55 AM »
The effect of one?s reading and learning can be seen in one?s behaviour. If the behaviour has not changed, it means the learning acquired is like water poured over a rock, which gets wet only on the surface without allowing the water to seep into it.

- Swami Krishnananda

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: June 04, 2017, 08:39:24 AM »
Japa Yoga

by Sri Chinmayananda, an excerpt from Tune in the Mind.

For Chinmayananda publications visit

Japa is a very effective mental discipline for spiritual progress. In recent history there is the instance of the esteemed teacher of Sivaji, Samartha R?mad?s, who perfected himself through the japa yoga of the Sri Rama-mantra: ?Sri Rama Jaya Rama Jaya Jaya Rama.? Bhagavan Yogesvara Krsna Himself says in the Git?: ?I am, among the yogas, the japa yoga.?
?How must I start?? To do japa is the way to perform the japa yoga. What happened to that holiday maker who waited on the sea-shore for the waves to subside so that he may take his bath comfortably? Don?t waste your time in vain on the shores of life; get into the ocean of this bliss and be refreshed.
Have a special room for your prayers; fix a charming picture of your heart?s Lord, at such a height from the floor that when you sit in front of it, the Lord?s feet shall be in level with your eyes. Spread a plain seat (?sana) in front of your ista, the Lord of your heart. Have a mala (rosary) of 108 beads. Now start the japa, behind closed doors please, to begin with. Sitting on the ?sana in any comfortable, legs-folded pose, in the beginning, gaze at the Lord?s beaming face, body, legs, feet. Now slowly raise the gaze up from feet, legs and body, to the face of the Lord. Close the eyes now; feel His presence within you and try to visualize the Lord exactly as in the picture. This visualization of the Lord should be done within you in your love-heart, which is exactly on the right side of the physical heart. This is the spiritual heart-centre where, if you meditate, your success is doubly assured. Feel feel His presence.
Now repeat your ista-mantra a few times, slowly, steadily with all the love you are capable of. This invokes the devotion (bhakti) in you to do japa most effectively. Take the mala,? search for the off-bead: this is called the Meru. Bring the tips of your ring-finger and thumb together, and let the mala be hung at this junction, repeat fervently your ista-mantra; at each repetition turn one bead with the middle-finger, always allowing the index finger to stand apart.
The index finger is considered to be an ?outcast? because of its language. This finger is generally used in pointing out the ?other?, in accusing ?another?, in threatening etc. Essentially the index finger is used to express duality and the other-ness of things and beings!

When you have thus repeated 108 times your chosen mantra, naturally, you will come back to the meru-bead: you have now done one mala. Now be careful: don?t cross the meru turn the mala in such a way that the 109th mantra is counted on the bead with which the 107th mantra was registered. Thereafter proceed in all sincerity and finish with your second mala of japa. Thus do 20 malas of japa twice a day? once in the morning and once in the evening.

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: June 04, 2017, 07:45:10 AM »
"Life is short. Time is fleeting. The world is full of miseries. Cut the knot of Avidya and drink the Nirvanic bliss. That day on which you do not perform Japa is simply wasted. Those who simply eat, drink and sleep and do not perform Japa are horizontal beings only."

Swami Sivananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 29, 2017, 06:50:14 AM »
I saw this post on FB posted by a devotee of Bhagavan Ramana and Kanchi Acharya but this incident was pointed out by Sri Nochur in his talk  on Japa Yoga .

Why Meditate

*A devotee asked Ramana Maharishi:*
"Why do we need to meditate?
I can say that it is "my mind" - then should it not listen to me and meditate by itself when I tell it to?
Why does it keep running outside all the time?"
*Ramana Maharishi kept silent at that time.*
At about the same time, a squirrel had given birth in the ashram, and unfortunately a few days later the mother squirrel got eaten by a cat.
Ramana Maharishi took the job of taking care of the baby squirrels. He kept them inside a cage that was kept in the mediation hall.
After a few days when everyone was sitting in the meditation hall, the same cat came inside. It so happened that the baby squirrels rushed out of the cage at the same time.
Ramana Maharishi got up hurriedly, caught all the baby squirrels one by one and put them back in the cage, shut and locked the door firmly.
He then turned to the devotee who had asked the above question and calmly said - *"These poor little squirrels do not have the maturity to know the dangers of the outside world, that if it goes out, the cat will make a meal of them.
When they get that maturity, they will go hide inside, by themselves.
Until they get the maturity, we have to keep putting them inside.
It is the same thing with our mind. Our mind does not know that if it goes to the outside world, there is nothing but Suffering and Confusion. It keeps running out in ignorance and start Wandering aimlessly with no purpose & meaning.
When it gets the maturity, it will go inside by itself to seek Peace, to gain strength to Focus on Life to make it more purposeful and give Life more meaning.
Until then, it is our job to put it inside with effort - which we do in Meditation."

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 28, 2017, 03:18:08 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 28, 2017, 03:16:56 PM »
Question: It is difficult for me to stay focused on the
?I?-thought, especially when I am in the middle of worldly activities. Is it enough to be aware of awareness, of consciousness in general?
Annamalai Swami: If you are conscious of consciousness, there is no duality. Everything is included in consciousness.
Question: But is it enough to be aware of the awareness?
Annamalai Swami: You are repeating the question, so I will repeat the answer. If you remain in the state of consciousness,
there will be nothing apart from it. No problems, no misery, no
Question: Are you always in that state of consciousness? I find that when I am busy with activities, thoughts come up and I am no longer remembering myself. I am no longer focusing on
Annamalai Swami: I don't lose consciousness of the Self
because I don't get identified with the body and the mind. It is only in the state in which you identify with the body and the mind that problems arise.
In deep sleep we forget the body and the mind, but consciousness is still there. That same state is present now, while we are awake. If you give up all your ideas about separateness, that will be enough. When those ideas have gone you realize you are everything.
p. 20

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 27, 2017, 08:24:34 PM »
Life is a process of relationship. There is no life without relationship. This is a fact. You may be a hermit, you may be a monk, you may withdraw from all society, but you are related. As a human being, you cannot escape from being related. - J Krishnamurti

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 27, 2017, 08:13:59 PM »
Thanks Sri.Ravi for your inputs

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 24, 2017, 02:41:23 PM »
37. What exists is the plenitude of object-free jnana, which shines as unconditioned reality. The world appears as an object that is grasped by your suttarivu. Like the erroneous perception of a person with jaundice who sees everything as yellow, this entire world is a deluded view consisting wholly of a mind that has defects such as ego, deceit, desire, and so on.
Suttarivu is a key word in Muruganar?s writings. Arivu means consciousness or true knowledge, and it is often used in Tamil as an equivalent of jnana. ?Suttu? means ?pointed at?. Arivu is the true consciousness, the true knowledge that is aware of nothing other than itself. However, when attention is externalized and ?pointed at? phenomena that are assumed to be external, the trinity of seer, seeking and seen arises. This creates the idea of an individual self who sees an external real world, and while this suttarivu process is functioning, the reality of the undivided Self is hidden.
The term suttarivu comes from Saiva Siddhanta philosophy, a subject Muruganar had a strong grounding in, but it does not appear in Vedanta. The word is generally translated as ?objectifying consciousness?, ?objectified consciousness?, ?objective knowledge? or ?relative knowledge?, but since these terms are a little abstract and do not fully convey this process whereby the externalizing of attention brings about duality, we have retained the Tamil word suttarivu in many of the verses.
[A note from the authors]

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 24, 2017, 12:44:01 PM »
Q. How can one quicken this coming of realization?
A. As one strives to know the true ?I? the attachment to objects, the bad and degrading thoughts gradually drop off. The more one does not forget the Self, the more do elevating qualities become ours. Realization will come eventually.
Q. Why does an Upanishad say, ?He whom the Atman chooses, to him alone does It reveal Itself, not to others?? Does not this seem arbitrary?
A. No. It is correct. It chooses those only who devote themselves to It, who become Its devotees. It draws such devotees inwards to Itself. One must turn inward to find the Atman. He who thinks of It, It will draw to Itself.
All such thoughts as ?Attainment is hard? or ?Self-realization is far from me?, or ?I have got many difficulties to overcome to know the Reality?, should be given up, as they are obstacles; they are created by this false self, ego. They are untrue.
Do not doubt that you are the Reality; live in that understanding. Never question it by referring your realization of it to some future time. It is because people are victimized and hypnotized by such false thoughts that the Gita says that few out of millions realize the Self.
Conscious Immortality

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