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General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 13, 2014, 01:31:34 PM »
16 November 1936

Talks 286


D.: It is said that the Guru can make his disciple realise the Self by transmitting some of his own power to him? Is it true?

M.: Yes. The Guru does not bring about Self-Realisation. He simply removes the obstacles to it. The Self is always realised.

D.: Is there absolute necessity of a Guru for Self-Realisation?

M.: So long as you seek Self-Realisation the Guru is necessary.

Guru is the Self. Take Guru to be the Real Self and your self as the individual self. The disappearance of this sense of duality is removal of ignorance. So long as duality persists in you the Guru is necessary. Because you identify yourself with the body you think the Guru, too, to be some body. You are not the body, nor is the Guru. You are the Self and so is the Guru. This knowledge is gained by what you call Self-Realisation.

D.: How can one know whether a particular individual is competent to be a Guru?

M.: By the peace of mind found in his presence and by the sense of respect you feel for him.

D.: If the Guru happens to turn out incompetent, what will be the fate of the disciple who has implicit faith in him?

M.: Each one according to his merits.


General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 12, 2014, 10:00:13 PM »
"Anasuya" means nonjealousy. Heart-burning caused by another man's prosperity or status is jealousy. We ought to have love and compassion for all and ought to be patient and forgiving even towards those who do us wrong. We must not envy people their higher status even if they be less deserving of it than we are and, at the same time, must be mature enough to regard their better position as the reward they earned by doing good in their previous life.

Kanchi Paramacharya

General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 12, 2014, 02:00:06 PM »

General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 12, 2014, 01:06:34 PM »
Readings on Guru?s Grace on Guru Purnima Day

The feet of the Guru, Sri Arunachala Ramana is (our) succor and support.

One day I wondered why I was visiting Him at all. What was the use? There seemed to be no inner advancement. Going up the hill was meaningless toil. I decided to end my visits on the hill. For one hundred days exactly I did not see Bhagavan. On the hundred and first day I could suffer no longer and ran to Skandasramam, above Virupaksha Cave. Bhagavan saw me climbing, got up and came forward to meet me. When I fell at his feet, I could not restrain myself and burst out in tears. I clung to them and would not get up. Bhagavan pulled me up and asked: ?It is over three months since I saw you. Where were you?? I told him how I thought that seeing him was of no use. ?All right,? he said, ?maybe it is of no use, so what? You felt the loss, did you not?? Then I understood that we did not go to him for profit, but because away from him there was no life for us.

Once I wrote two verses in Tamil, one in praise of the Lord without attributes the other of the Lord with numberless forms. In the latter I wrote: ?From whom grace is flowing over the sentient and insentient.? Bhagavan asked me to change one letter and this altered the meaning to: ?who directs his grace to the sentient and the insentient.? The idea was that grace was not a mere influence but could be directed with a purpose where it was needed most.

Bhagavan gave us a tangible demonstration of God?s omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. Our sense of ?I? would burn up in wonder and adoration on seeing his unconditional love for all beings. Though outwardly we seemed to remain very much the same person, inwardly he was working on us and destroying the deep roots of separateness and self-concern. A day always comes when the tree of ?I?, severed from its roots, crashes suddenly and is no more, this is Guru?s Grace!
What is the Guru?s Grace? Well, this is exactly the word that awakens us from this dream life of ours, to which we cling so hard until the tiger of death pounces on us and proves that it is ephemeral, unreal.

With one meaningful look the Master sees deep into the soul of the enquirer. And lo! What a trance of joy, what a blissful existence, and what a calm this is! The agitated soul is stilled, silent; he sits and sits and sits. Gazing at the Master before him the minutes and hours are hardly noticed gliding softly away. In this way days and months are condensed into a few moments of blissful life. The wanderer has found his harbour; he is all new life and light, so he swears, ?For eternity I shall not part from my Master, who is my All!?
A Tamil verse says: A bird drops seed upon a tree and causes its decay. So Guru?s grace radiates knowledge into the seeking mind. Replacing ego-shadows with resplendent Jnana?s light. Bhagavan has explained the meaning of this verse. The seed of the huge banyan tree, which grows to shelter hundreds, is one of the tiniest and represents unselfish benevolence. The seed of the palmyra which is so large, grows into a tree which can hardly shelter a single man from the sun, and so well represents the selfish ego. Yet this tiny seed can be dropped by a bird in its droppings, and while it grows it can demolish the palmyra tree itself. So the tiny seed of Grace can destroy the great tree of egoism.

The Guru says, ?Be still, and Know that I am God.? This knowing is the understanding of the absolute and relative values of Life.
Understanding what? It is the distinctive knowledge (the vijnana) of the eternal unchanging Truth of yourself. In the background of this eternal and unchanging Truth, the changeful and varying states of your doership move about and cloud your understanding of the Real Truth of your Being.

You are really free in yourself; the clouds do not really affect you. Yet you are also outwardly active, according to the latencies of the past karma in you, which work out according to the law of that karma. The potter has given up his hold on the wheel; yes, but the wheel still moves on owing to the momentum still left in it.
In the same way you move, and yet you are unaffected, no longer clinging to the action. You do; yet you feel you are no more the doer. You enjoy or suffer; yet you feel you are no more the one who suffers or enjoys. You are a mere witness of all things in your varying states: waking, dreaming and sleeping. You are you, or I am I, or the Self is the Self; and these states pass and re-pass. This is the state of real knowledge (jnana) or real devotion (bhakti). This is the message of the Gita. This is equally the message of our benign Guru, Sri Ramana Maharshi.

General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 12, 2014, 10:04:10 AM »
Today is Guru Purnima.

The Full Moon Day in the month of Ashadha (July-August) is known as Guru Purnima. This sacred day marks the very first transmission of the yogic sciences from Shiva ? the Adiyogi or First Yogi ? to the Saptarishis, the seven celebrated sages. This momentous occasion took place on the banks of the lake Kantisarovar, which stands a few kilometers above the Kedarnath Temple in the Himalayas. Thus, the Adiyogi became the Adi Guru or the First Guru on this day. The Saptarishis carried this knowing offered by Adiyogi throughout the world. Even today, every spiritual process on the planet draws from the spine of knowing created by Adiyogi.

This day is also sacred to the memory of the great sage Vyasa. All Hindus are indebted to this ancient saint who edited the four Vedas, wrote the 18 Puranas, the Mahabharata and the Srimad Bhagavata. Vyasa even taught Dattatreya, who is regarded as the Guru of Gurus.

Swami Sivananda asks: "Do you realize now the sacred significance and the supreme importance of the Guru's role in the evolution of man? It was not without reason that the India of the past carefully tended and kept alive the lamp of Guru-Tattva. It is therefore not without reason that India, year after year, age after age, commemorates anew this ancient concept of the Guru, adores it and pays homage to it again and again, and thereby re-affirms its belief and allegiance to it. For, the true Indian knows that the Guru is the only guarantee for the individual to transcend the bondage of sorrow and death, and experience the Consciousness of the Reality."


On this day, all spiritual aspirants and devotees worship Vyasa in honor of his divine personage and all disciples perform a 'puja' of their respective spiritual preceptor or 'Gurudevs'.

This day is of deep significance to the farmers, for it heralds the setting in of the much-needed rains, as the advent of cool showers usher in fresh life in the fields. It is a good time to begin your spiritual lessons. Traditionally, spiritual seekers commence to intensify their spiritual 'sadhana' from this day.

The period 'Chaturmas' ("four months") begins from this day. In the past, wandering spiritual masters and their disciples used to settle down at a place to study and discourse on the Brahma Sutras composed by Vyasa, and engage themselves in Vedantic discussions.

General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 12, 2014, 09:43:01 AM »

General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 12, 2014, 09:13:01 AM »
Accepting the realized sage as the Guru, serving Him and continually dwelling upon His guidance constitute the unfailing means to knowledge. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General topics / Re: Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 11, 2014, 09:22:11 PM »

General topics / Sat 12 July 2014 Guru Purnima Day
« on: July 11, 2014, 09:19:59 PM »
I am sharing on this thread the Guru Purnima Messages from Various acharyas / Spiritual Teachers

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 11, 2014, 09:17:39 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 11, 2014, 09:13:17 PM »
Sri Ramana Maharshi: ~~Day by Day with Bhagavan, 28-6-46.

In the afternoon Khanna?s wife appealed to Bhagavan in writing:

?I am not learned in the scriptures and I find the method
of Self-enquiry too hard for me.
I am a woman with seven children and a lot of household cares,
and it leaves me little time for meditation.
I request Bhagavan to give me some simpler and easier method.?


No learning or knowledge of scriptures is necessary to know the Self,
as no man requires a mirror to see himself.
All knowledge is required only to be given up eventually as not-Self.
Nor is household work or cares with children necessarily an obstacle.
If you can do nothing more,
at least continue saying ?I, I?
to yourself mentally all the time,
as advised in Who am I?,
whatever work you may be doing and
whether you are sitting, standing or walking.

?I? is the name of God.
It is the first and greatest of all mantras.
Even OM is second to it.

General Discussion / Re: performing rituals to the departed
« on: July 11, 2014, 08:39:26 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

The Indian Law says that when one's father leaves debts, and dies it is compulsory on the part of the son to pay off the 
debts.  He cannot avoid responsibility saying that the debts are father's and he has not duty to pay. 
So also in these
cases of rituals of the departed.  Only Sannayasis (the real ones like Sri Bhagavan) can be exempted from the rituals of
these types.

Arunachala Siva.

In a lighter note to what you said ,I have to share this following joke and I do not know how many of you have heard of this before .
A  Young many visits his native place after many years ( he had last visited when he was a baby ) and becomes very tired and hungry due to travel to that remote village which is his native place and is searching for a restaurant  and after walking for a couple of miles  he sees at a distance a restaurant and is very happy with that .On going nearer he is still more happy that in front of the restaurant there is a board on which the following is written " You can eat here how much ever you want and you need not pay a single rupee and it is enough if your grandson pays for this in his next visit " . This man himself is young and he thinks it will take at least 50 more years for his grandson to be old enough to visit here and pay the bill and so he eats there to his hearts content . On leaving the restaurant the owner presents him a bill of Rs.1,000 /- . This young man gets angry saying how can he show the bill when it is clearly written that it is enough if one's grandson pays for the same and not only that he did not eat for Rs.1,000 and ate for far less that amount and for which the owner of the restaurant said "Sir , this is not  your bill , this is the bill of your grandfather and it is time you cleared the same " .  :)

So moral of this funny story is "We cant escape the Karmas ( Positive / Negative )  of our parents and grandparents "

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 11, 2014, 12:25:42 PM »
What True surrender is according to Bhagavan Ramana
by , K. Subrahmanian   Source : Unknown , got it from  a FaceBook Page  on Bhagavan Ramana

Surrender means 'surrendering or giving oneself up to another in an especially high degree'. In total surrender, the ego is completely lost. There is no expectation of any reward. There is no seeking of any kind whatsoever. True surrender is the love of God for the sake of love and nothing else, not even for the sake of salvation, says Sri Bhagavan.

Most of us expect God to do us only good once we have surrendered. We are surprised and pained when, despite our surrender, we are faced with problems. When we expect something in return for our surrender, we have not really surrendered. Sri Bhagavan says: "Surrender is not an easy thing. Killing the ego is not an easy thing. It is only when God himself by his Grace draws the mind inwards that complete surrender can be achieved."

When a person has truly surrendered, he has no cares, no desires, no anxieties. He has no will of his own. When Sri Bhagavan left Madurai, he took just the train fare to Tiruvannamalai. When he reached Tiruvannamalai, he threw away the packet of sweets that had been given to him by Muthukrishna Bhagavatar's sister. He was not anxious for the morrow. He tore off from his dhoti a strip for his kaupina and threw away the rest. He did not take an extra kaupina nor did he think of using the remaining cloth as a towel. This is total surrender. He had come to his Father and he? had implicit faith that his bare needs would be looked after. In the early days, there were occasions when Sri Bhagavan was teased and insulted. But he remained unaffected by them as there was no individual to react. The whole life of Bhagavan is a commentary on Surrender.

No human being can be free from problems. Even after we surrender, we shall have problems. But our attitude to problems will change. Sri Bhagavan says: "If you surrender yourself and recognise your individual self as only a tool of the Higher Power, that power will take over your affairs along with the fruits of actions. You are no longer affected by them, and the work will go on unhampered. Whether you recognise the power or not, the scheme of things does not alter. Only there is a change of outlook."

Real surrender is where 'me' is not.
The following Christian hymn tells in simple but moving language what real surrender is:

Make me a captive, Lord,
And then I shall be free;
Force me to render up my sword,
And I shall conqueror be.
I sink in life's alarms
When by myself I stand;
Imprison me within thine arms,
And strong shall be my hand.
My heart is weak and poor
Until its master find;
It has no spring of action sure --
It varies with the wind,
It cannot freely move,
Till thou hast wrought its chain;
Enslave it with thy matchless love
And deathless it shall reign.
My power is faint and low
Till I have learned to serve;
It wants the needed fire to glow,
It wants the breeze to nerve;
It cannot drive the world
Until itself be driven;
Its flag can only be unfurled.
When thou shalt breathe from heaven.
My will is not my own
Till thou hast made it Thine;
If it would reach a monarch's throne
It must its crown resign;
It only stands unbent
Amid the clashing strife.
When on thy bosom it has leant
And found in thee its life.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 11, 2014, 11:42:09 AM »

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 11, 2014, 11:23:57 AM »

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