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Source: Hindu Dharma - Universal way of Life (English version of selected discourses by Maha Periyava)

Paramacharya on doing Nitya ( Daily ) Puja at home

Every family must perform puja to Isvara. Those who find it convenient to do so may conduct elaborate types of puja after receiving proper initiation into them. Others need perform only a brief puja, not lasting more than ten minutes or so. Office goers must offer at least this brief worship. The sacred bell must ring in every home. Images must be installed to worship Siva, Amba, Visnu, Vinayaka, and Surya. This is called "pancayatana puja".

According to one custom, no graven images [images with limbs] are used but instead natural objects to represent the five deities. The "bana-linga" for Siva is obtained from the Omkara -kunda of the Narmada River. The svarnamukhi stone for Ambika (it has a golden streak on it) is to be taken from the bed of the Svarnamukhi river in Andhra Prades. The symbol of Vishnu, salagrama, is obtained from the Gandaki River in Nepal. The crystal stone for surya is got from Vallam, near Tanjavur. The sonabhadra stone for Vinayaka is obtained from the Sone River, a tributary of the Ganga. These five stones are symbolic of the unity of India. None of these five stones has eyes, nose, ears, etc. Since they have no corners that become untidy, they are easy to bathe and dry. Being small they do not occupy much space.

No big puja hall or room is necessary. A small casket is enough. Pancayatana puja was revived by Sankara Bhagavatpada. As the creator of the Sanmata system (the worship of six deities)he added Subrahmanya to the five. So with the five stones we may add a small spear to represent Velayadah (Subrahmanya) who bears the spear. Not much effort is needed for the puja. If you have the will, it could be performed wherever you happen to be.

At home when you do the puja you have to present to the deities cooked rice called "maha-naivedya". The Lord has created the entire cosmos for our sake. Our sense organs take delight in the various objects in creation. All that gives us joy, all that is beneficial in creation, must be offered to the Lord [symbolically] before being partaken of by us. When we offer any food as naivedya to Him, do we really give it away to Him? We just place it before Him and then partake of it ourselves. Some ask, scornfully, whether the Lord himself eats what is offered to Him. "Nivedana"does not mean making the Lord really "eat" what is offered. He does not have to eat.

Puja is meant to make us inwardly pure and the Lord does not have anything to gain from it. "Nivedayami" means I am making it know to you (informing you)" and does not mean "I am feeding you". You must speak thus to Isvara:"O Lord, in your compassion you have given us this food." Then you must eat the food thus offered, thinking of Him. Without His grace how does the rice grow? Experts may conduct research and write big tomes on rice. But are they capable of making one grain of rice? What is called synthetic rice is made out of materials already created by Isvara. So all that seems to be made of man must be finally traced to God's creation. To enjoy what he has given us without first presenting it to Him would be tantamount to thieving. He who is present everywhere must be present where we want Him to be present so that He may be grasped by us. Whatever the material out of which His image of symbol is made-stone, earth, copper- he will come to us in that material and in that image or symbol. He will do so out of His compassion and He has the power to do so. We would have no need for him otherwise.

The Lord must be worshipped in every home. He must be invoked and it must be made known to Him that we are using nothing but what he has made over as a gift to us. If we keep doing so, we will in due course have the wisdom not to use in puja things not fit to be offered to Him. We ourselves will come to possess good qualities.

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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: November 17, 2014, 09:28:27 AM »
Swami Sivananda on Mantras

All Mantras have equal potency or Power. It is quite incorrect if you say one Mantra is superior to another. You can attain God-realisation by doing Japa of any Mantra. Valmiki attained God-consciousness by repeating even Mara-Mara. Some people think that OM or Soham is superior to Om Namassivaya or Om Namo Narayanaya. This is also wrong. The state gained by doing Japa of OM or Soham can be attained by doing Japa of Sri Rama or Radheyshyam also.

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: November 17, 2014, 06:07:04 AM »
Diet has intimate connection with the mind. The mind is formed out of the subtlest portion of food. - Swami Sivananda

General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« on: November 13, 2014, 08:37:57 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi

Got the news of passing of Sage TGN through THE HINDU today morning and while his physical presence would be missed ,his teachings would continue to be alive for ever as they are timeless .I am thankful to you for introducing me to Sage TGN first in Dec 2012 when I attended his Thiruppavai Talks during Margazhi in Dec 2012 with you . In Dec 2013 he spoke very less but yet I had the opportunity to see him and listen to his audio talks on Thiruppavai with you . I also got some of his talks on Fate and Free will and keep listening to it and his book on ?Practical Philosophy " is an excellent summary of his teachings that I keep referring to time and again . Was eagerly looking forward to attend few of his talks in Dec 2014 this year . Anyway as I said the person would be missed in the Physical but his talks are available on Audios and we can benefit by listening to them again and again .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: November 08, 2014, 09:36:02 AM »
Man is the Master of his destiny

"You sow an action and reap a habit; a habit sown results in character. You sow a character and reap a destiny. Man is the master of his destiny. You yourself make your destiny. You can undo it if you like. All faculties, energies and powers are latent in you. Unfold them and become free. There is a certain definite connection between what is being now done by you and what will happen to you in the future. Sow always the seeds which will bring pleasant fruits and which will make you happy herein and hereafter." ~Swami Sivananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 06, 2014, 08:43:50 PM »
Manikkavasagar's Thirupalliyezhuchi (Tamil)
(song to wake up God)
Saint Manikkavasaga

Translated by


(This is a part of Thiruvachagam, one of the greatest Tamil devotional works composed by Saint Manikkavasagar. ( The Tamil people say that ?One who is not moved by Thiruvachagam will not be moved by anything in this world.? This work is actually a Suprabatham for the God of Thiruperum thurai (The present day Avudayar Koil neat Pudu kottai). It is interesting to note that Suprabatham are completely absent in ancient Sanskrit literature. This Thirupalliyezuchi was followed by several in Tamil by great Vaishnavite saints and in the last centaury the first Sanskrit work, Venkatesa Suprabatham. Even today the number of Sanskrit Suprabathams is very few in number.)

Potthi yen vaazh mudal aagiya porule,
Pularndathu poongazharkku inai thunai malar kondu,
Yetthi nin thirumugathu yemakkarul malarum,
Ezhil nagai kondu nin thiruvadi thozhuthom,
Chethidazh kamalangal malarum than vayal choozh,
Thiruperumthurai urai Shiva perumaane,
Yethuyar kodiyudayai , yenai udayay,
Yem perman palli ezhundarulaaye. 1

Salutations to you , who is the first meaning of my life,
The new day has broken and please grant me your smile ,
As a sign of your grace , when I salute and offer flowers at your holy feet,
Oh God presiding over Thiruperumthurai,
Which is surrounded ponds, full of open lotus flowers,
And where your flag of the bulls flies very high,
For my sake Oh God be pleased to wake up.

Arunan Indiran disai anuginan , irul poy,
Agandrathu udayam nin malar thirumugathin,
Karunayin sooriyan yezha yezha nayana-,
Kkadimalar malaramattha yennalam kannaam,
Thiral nirai arupadam muralvana ivayor,
Thiruperumthurai urai Shiva perumane,
Arul nidhi thara varum Aananda malaye,
Alai kadale palli ezhundarulvaye. 2

When the driver of Sun reached the east, darkness vanished,
And when the Sun goes up and above , we are able to see,
The mercy drenched in your lotus like face,
And let that eyes open like a lotus opens seeing the Sun light,
And let our prayers sound as if the bees are singing,
And oh God presiding over Thiruperumthurai,
Who is the mountain of joy , coming to give us the treasure of blessings,
And oh ocean full of waves , be pleased to wake up.

Koovina poonkuil, Koovina Kozhi,
Kurukugal iyambina , iyambina Sangam,
Oovina tharakai oli oli udayathu,
Oruppadukirathu viruppodu namakku,
Deva nar cheri kazhal thalinai kaattai,
Thiruperumthurai urai Shiva perumane,
Yaavarum arivariyay yemakkeliyay,
Yem peruman palli ezhundarulvaye. 3

The nightingale sang, the cocks crowed,
The birds sang, the conches made sound,
The stars became dim when the light came,
The sun shows its rays to all of us,
And Oh god , please show us your feet,
Oh God presiding over Thiruperumthurai,
You are not seen by many but for us you are easy to see,
And Oh our Lord be pleased to wake up.

Innisai veenayar yazhinar oru paal,
Irukkodu thothiram iyambinar oru paal,
Thunniya pinai malar kayinar oru paal,
THozhugayar azhugayar thuvalgayar oru paal,
Chenniyil anjali koopinar oru paal,
Thiruperumthurai urai Shiva perumane,
Yennayaum aandu kondu innarul puriyum,
Yem peruman palli ezhundarulvaye. 4

On one side are musicians playing the Veena,
On another side are people chanting prayers from Vedas,
On one side are people with garland of flowers in their hand,
On another are those who salute, who cry and who dance,
And on another side are those saluting with hands above their heads,
Oh God presiding over Thiruperumthurai,
For the sake of ruling me and giving me all sweetness,
Oh our Lord, be pleased to wake up.

Bhoothangal thorum ninrayenin allal,
Pokkilan varavilan yena ninaipulavor,
Geethangal paduthal aaduthal allal,
Kettarivom unai kandarivaarai,
Cheetham kol vayal Thiruperumthurai manna,
Chindanaikkum ariyay , yengal mun vandu,
Yedangal aruthu yemmai aandu arul puriyum,
Yem peruman palli ezhundarulvaye, 5

The learned ones say that you are in all beings,
Also that you do not go and you do not come,
And though we sing your praise and dance,
We have not seen those who have seen you,
Oh king of Thiruperumthurai blessed with very rich fields,
You who are beyond our thought , please come before us,
Cut off all our sorrows and shower your grace,
Oh our Lord, be pleased to wake up.

Pappara veetirum thunarum nin adiyar ,
Pandanaivandu aruthaar avar palarum,
Mai puru kanniyar manudathiyalbin,
Vanangukirar anangin manavala,
Cheppuru kamalangal malarum than vayal choozh,
THiruperumthurai urai Shiva perumane,
Yi pirappu aruthu yemai aandarul puriyum,
Yem peruman palli ezhundarulvaye. 6

Your devotees who have controlled their mind,
And have left all desires get salvation from you,
And they stand with tears in their eyes like ladies,
Without ever leaving you, Oh Lord of the Goddess,
Oh Lord Shiva of Thiruperum thurai,
Please cut of this birth and shower your grace,
Oh our Lord be pleased to wake up.

Athu pazhachuvai yena amudhena aritharkku,
Arithena yelithena amararum ariyar,
Ithu avan thiru uru , ivan avan yenave,
Yennai aandu kondu ingu ezhundarulum,
Madhu valar pozhil thiru uthara kosa,
Mangayullai , Thiruperumthurai manna,
Yethu yemai pani kolum aarathu ketpom,
Yem peruman palli ezhundarulvaye. 7

Even the gods do not know that it is ,
As tasty as a fruit , it is like nectar,
It is rare and it is extremely easy to know,
And that this is his form and this one is that,
Oh king of Thiruperumthurai which is in the fields,
Where the singing bees wander all round the flowers,
And is in the division of Uthara kosa mangai,
Please accept me and tell us how to serve you,
Oh our Lord , be pleased to wake up.

Mundiya mudal nadu iruthiyum aanaai,
Moovarum arigilar , yaavar mathu arivar,
Pandanai viraliyum neeyum nin adiyar,
Pazham kudil thorun ezhundaruliya parane,
Chendazhal purai thiru meniyum katti,
Andanan aavathum katti vandu aanday,
AAramudhe palli ezhundarulvaye. 8

You became the first of firsts and the central and the end,
And when the holy trinity do not know you ,
How can anybody else know you at all,
But you and The goddess with her hand holding the ball,
Are in the hearts and hearth of all your devotees,
And showed them the fire like form of yours ,
As well as the great temple of Thiruperumthurai,
And also showed how one can become a learned one,
Oh the deathless nectar, be pleased to wake up.

Vinnaka thevarum nannavu maatta,
Vizhu porule una thozhuppadiyongal,
Mannagathe vandu vaazha cheydhaane,
Van Thiruperumthuraiyay vazhi adiyom,
Kannagathe nindru kali tharu thene,
Kadalamudhe, karumbe virumbadiyar,
Ennagathay ulagukku uyir aanaay,
Yem peruma palli ezhundarulvaye. 9

Oh God who is not even accessible to the Gods,
You made us , who are slaves of your feet,
Live in this earth, Oh Lord of the rich Thiruperumthurai,
Oh God who is in our eyes and make it sweet like honey,
Oh nectar got from sea. Oh sugarcane ,
You were in the thoughts of devotees and became soul of this earth,
Oh our Lord , be pleased to wake up.

Bhuvaniyir ppoy piravamayin naal naam,
Pokkuginrom avame indabhoomi,
Sivan uyya kolkindra varendru nokki,
Thiruperum thurai uraivay thirumaalaam,
Avan viruppeythavum malaravan aasai ,
Padavum nin alarnda mey karunayum neeyum,
Avaniyir pugundu yemmaiu aat kola vallay,
Aaramudhe palli ezhundarulvaye. 10

?The days when we are not able to be born in earth,
Are all being wasted, for the people of earth,
Are all under the great grace of Lord Shiva,?
Oh Lord of Thiruperumthurai , wished the great Lord Vishnu,
And all his wishes were also that of Lord Brahma,
For you have completely occupied this earth,
And made us your slaves with your grace,
Oh the deathless nectar, be pleased to wake up

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 28, 2014, 10:26:42 AM »
Papaji : There is a river of thought-waves.
Everyone is being washed downstream.
Everyone is clinging to these thoughts and being washed away.

Just give rise to the single thought, "I want to be free."
This thought will rarely come out of the entire population.
The entire population of the planet is moving downstream.
They are not destined to give rise to the thought,
"I want to be enlightened in this very span of time."

So I call this thought of freedom going against the stream and towards the source. It does not require any effort to give rise to this thought. The thought "I want to be free" is itself free.
This thought will take you to freedom.
It is the most rare thought.
Out of the entire population of 6 billion, only a handful give rise to this thought.

Q : Master, I have been with you four days now, and l am still not enlightened.

Papaji : (laughing) Yes, i am surprised, a smart boy like you.

Q : What should I do?

Papaji : Let me tell you what my teacher told me.
Just be quiet.
This quiet does not involve talking or not talking.
It does not involve any doing whatsoever.
Just let the mind fall into si?lence.
This is enough.

Now wait. I can't believe what you just said to him.
I?ve been trained to think that it takes years and years of practice and life times of training and hard work to reach liberation.
Now you say it?s simple a switch on the wall,
a change of perception. Is that correct?

You need not switch on or off.
For the sun to shine do you switch it on?

Q : No.

Papaji : Just like this.
This light is always there.
No switches at all.
The sun has no switches.
You turn your face away and you call it night.
Sun has no night and no day. You are that sun.
This is your own light and you are that.
You don't need any switches.
The switches are limitations.
You have fixed these limitations yourself.
Nature has not fixed any switches.

"I want this, I want that. I dislike this, I like that."
If you remove this switch of like and dislike, how will you feel?
Instantly you will be free.

Likes and dislikes keep you in bondage and suffering.
There are no walls for the switches either.
Walls are imaginary only, like walls between countries.
You have constructed this wall between you and something else.
You have to break this which does not exist.
The frontier you have created is the suffering.
You have to demolish it by yourself. Nobody will help you.

Q : What do you mean, Nobody will help you?

Papaji : The Self has to help the Self; nobody else can help.
Who else will drop this wall? You have to help yourself.
Find out, is it possible to be out of the Self, ever?

First say, "I want help." Then discover who needs help.
Self is not suffering. Self is not in bondage.
Self is ever free.
So you are saying it is the mind clinging to the wall that is suffering ?

Yes. Who has created separation?

Mind has created separation, and no mind will remove this separation. The separation doesn't exist.
Even to say "I am separate" is a joke.

It is only when there is a need for understanding that there is something to be understood. Once some of Krishnamurti's students came here to see me.
They said there is only one difference between our teachings.
They said, "Krishnamurti removes concepts from the vessel and
Poonjaji breaks the vessel altogether." (laughs)

So allow yourself some time, a couple of moments.
And in those moments there should be no trespassing.
Make available a few seconds and during this span nobody should trespass. I think you could well afford to be available for a few moments. You have spent all your life for others,
and not even a minute for your Self.

Everyone possesses you.
When you are born, your parents say you are "my son."
Go to school next and you're "my student.''
Then marry and you're "my husband."
Have children and you're "my father."
Remove these possessions.
Let no one possess you.
Reject everything and see what happens.

You have to devote some time for your Self, either now or some other lifetime. You have to reach your home.
There is no escape.
You have to return home, either now or tomorrow.
You must decide if you want to play more.
It doesn't matter. In the end, it doesn't matter.

You think it is taking time.
It is no time that you are spending because you are already free;
it is only your illusion that you are not.
You have to allow time, once and for all, if you want to be happy.

The moment you declare "I AM FREE!"--
standing on the mountaintop of your toes, arms up Eureka!
There is the happy moment.
Very happy moment.

~ Papaji From Wake UP and Roar Satsang with H.W.L. Poonja Book

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: October 26, 2014, 10:25:21 PM »
From the book "Mind Its Mysteries & Control by Swami Sivananda " in Chapter -14 Samskaras

Try to acquire some good spiritual Samskaras in this birth at least, if you are not able to
devote all your time in spiritual pursuit. Do some kind of meditation for a short time at least daily,
say for half an hour in the morning and evening.
Have a meditation room. Make some kind of Japa
of any Mantra. Study the Gita regularly. Have Satsanga. Visit Rishikesh, Nasik, Varanasi,
Haridwar, Prayag once a year for a week?s stay.
Have the Darshana of Mahatmas. By doing so, you
will acquire some spiritual Samskaras which will be a valuable spiritual asset for a new, good life.
You will have a very good birth. You will be placed in suitable environments in the next birth for
unfolding the Divinity that is lurking in your heart, for practice of Yoga. All opportunities and
facilities will be given to you by God, through His grace (Isvara-Kripa) for your spiritual Sadhana.

Even by a little systematic spiritual practice (Yogabhyasa and Vedantic Sadhana), you can change
your mentality, your old vicious Samskaras. You can cut short several future births. By practice for
three years, you can free yourself from the clutches of births and deaths. You are bound to become a
Sannyasin. Why not now in this very birth? Why don?t you cut short the cycle of unnecessary births
and consequent miseries? How long do you want to be a slave of the world, a slave of passions and
Indriyas? Wake up now. Do Sadhana and get immortality.
Rouse the self by the Self.

New, healthy Samskaras can be implanted by new, healthy suggestions. Suppose your brain
is a plank in which are driven nails which represent the ideas, habits and instincts which determine
your actions. If you find that there exists in you a bad idea, a bad habit, a bad instinct,?a bad nail, as
it were, in the plank of your mind?you should take another, viz., a good idea, habit or instinct,
place it on the top of the bad one and give a hard tap with a hammer. In other words, you should
make a healthy, useful suggestion. The new nail will be driven in perhaps a fraction of an inch while
the old one will come out to the same extent. At each fresh blow with the hammer, that is to say, at
each fresh suggestion, the one will be driven in a little further and the other will be driven out just
that much until, after a certain number of blows, the old habits will be completely replaced by the
new habits, new ideas. It demands, doubtless, strenuous efforts. It needs constant repetition of the
new, healthy suggestions. Habit is second nature. But, pure, irresistible, determined will is bound to
succeed eventually.
When you repeat OM or the Mahavakya of the Upanishads Aham Brahma Asmi  once,
one Samskara of the idea that I am Brahman or the Absolute? is formed in the subconscious mind.

The object in doing Japa or silent repetition of OM 21,600 times daily is to strengthen this Samskara

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