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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: March 08, 2015, 06:39:36 AM »
Swami Krishnananda on real learning

The effect of one?s reading and learning can be seen in one?s behaviour. If the behaviour has not changed, it means the learning acquired is like water poured over a rock, which gets wet only on the surface without allowing the water to seep into it.- Swami Krishnananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 05, 2015, 01:53:21 PM »

Q: How long should we stay with the Guru?

AS: Until the 'eye of wisdom' is open one needs association with sadhus who have realized the Self so that one can become aware of one's own Self. One should also study and practice the teachings of the Guru.

If you associate with bad or worldly people your meditation will be disturbed by their thought currents. It is best to avoid their company. One should not hate or dislike them, one should just stay out of their way.

Q: Should one avoid worldly things until one has attained some of mind control?

AS: As long as the body is alive it needs food clothing and shelter. It is not a hindrance to jnana to earn money to meet one?s basic needs.

Q: Some people have the freedom to give up worldly things. Others do not. They have to live and work with worldly people all the time.

AS: Before we came into this world all the incidents of our life were predestined: where we have to live, what acts we have to perform, etc. If we desire anything other than our prarabdha, that which was already destined for us, we cannot attain it. ?

All the difficulties that we experience in life have been given to us by Bhagavan in order to turn our minds towards the Self.

- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 04, 2015, 05:01:55 PM »

AS: Bhagavan once said, To correct oneself is to correct the whole world'. When one has corrected oneself completely one
finds that there is no one other than oneself to correct. One
becomes quiet and peaceful within and one spontaneously radiates
happiness to all beings.
If a powerful light is shining it need not say to the darkness 'Please go away'. In the presence of such a powerful light all
darkness immediately vanishes. Similarly, the jnani spontaneously radiates a spiritual light which automatically dispels the darkness of spiritual ignorance.
Q: Why did God make this world so imperfectly? What is the
purpose of a world in which everyone is continually suffering? Why
is there darkness for the jnani to dispel?
AS: The ultimate purpose of life is to enquire about the nature of
the Self and to stabilize firmly there.
Of all births this human birth is the most precious because in
this birth we have been given the faculty of enquiry. Through this
faculty we are able to enquire about the true nature of the Self.
This precious birth is not given to us to be wasted in sensual
pleasures. It is given to us only to know our true Self.
Saint Tayumanuvar sang in one verse:
I came to this world just to realize myself
but I forgot the purpose for which I came.
My mind became deluded
by accumulating riches and by indulging in sensual pleasures.
I was deluded, lost in this maya, searching for the transient pleasures of wealth and women.
To kill this delusion
my Guru gave me the beautiful sword of jnana.
Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 03, 2015, 06:00:50 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 03, 2015, 01:22:58 PM »
Q: Is it good to devote some time to staying healthy? Should we do hatha yoga, for example, to keep the body in good condition?
AS: It is difficult to do sadhana if the body is not in good condition. Hatha yoga is one way of staying healthy.
Bhagavan used to say, however, that out of all the different asanas, nididhyasana is the best. He would then add that nididhyasana means abidance in the Self.
Don't pay too much attention to the body. If you worry about
the well-being of your body, you identify with it more and more.
Look on it as a useful vehicle: maintain it, fuel it properly and repair it if it breaks down, but don't become attached to it.
If you can keep your attention on the Self without being distracted by unpleasant bodily sensations, you are healthy enough to do sadhana. If you do your meditation earnestly and continuously you will begin to find that health problems will not distract you. When your abidance in the Self is firm and strong, you cease to be aware of the body and its pains.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 27, 2015, 01:29:41 PM »

Q: What is the correct way to pursue self-enquiry?

AS: Bhagavan has said: 'When thoughts arise stop them from
developing by enquiring: "To whom is this thought coming?" as soon as soon as the thought appears. What does it matter if many thoughts keep coming up? Enquire into their origin or find out who has the thoughts and sooner or later the flow of thoughts will stop.'
This is how self-enquiry should be practiced.

When Bhagavan spoke like this he sometimes used the analogy of a besieged fort. If one systematically closes off all the entrances to such a fort and then picks off the occupants one by one as they try to come out, sooner or later the fort will be empty. Bhagavan said that we should apply these same tactics to the mind.

How to go about doing this? Seal off the entrances and exits to the mind by not reacting to rising thoughts or sense impressions. Don't let new ideas, judgments, likes, dislikes, etc. enter the mind, and don't let rising thoughts flourish and escape your attention.

When you have sealed off the mind in this way, challenge each emerging thought as it appears by asking, 'Where have you come from?' or 'Who is the person who is having this thought?9 If you can do this continuously, with full attention, new thoughts will appear momentarily and then disappear. If you can maintain the siege for long enough, a time will come when no more thoughts arise; or if they do, they will only be fleeting, undistracting images on the periphery of consciousness. In that thought-free state you will begin to experience yourself as consciousness, not as mind or

However, if you relax your vigilance even for a few seconds and allow new thoughts to escape and develop unchallenged, the siege will be lifted and the mind will regain some or all of it former strength.

Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 27, 2015, 06:26:06 AM »
Talking of the `witness' should not lead to the idea that there is a witness and something else apart from him that he is witnessing. The `witness' really means the light that illumines the seer, the seen and the process of seeing. Before, during and after the triads of seer, seen and seeing, the illumination exists. It alone exists always.
~ Sri Ramana Maharshi
...from 'Day by Day with Bhagavan', 18-7-46

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 27, 2015, 06:20:40 AM »
Sri Ramana Maharshi: ~~~ Day by Day, 8-5-46.
When I reach the thoughtless stage
in my sadhana I enjoy a certain pleasure,
but sometimes I also experience a vague fear
which I cannot properly describe.
You may experience anything,
but you should never rest content with that.
Whether you feel pleasure or fear,
ask yourself who feels the pleasure or the fear
and so carry on the sadhana
until pleasure and fear are both transcended
and all duality ceases and the Reality alone remains.
There is nothing wrong in such things
happening or being experienced,
but you must never stop at that.
For instance,
you must never rest content with the pleasure of laya
experienced when thought is quelled
but must press on until all duality ceases.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 26, 2015, 07:14:05 PM »
Q. How am I to know if I am making any progress in my meditation?
AS: Those who meditate a lot often develop a subtle form of ego.
They become pleased with the idea that they are making some progress; they become pleased with the states of peace and bliss that they enjoy; they become pleased that they have learned to exercise some control over their wayward minds; or they may derive some satisfaction from the fact that they have found a good guru or a good method of meditation.
All these feelings are only ego feelings. When ego feelings are present, awareness of the Self is absent. The thought 'I am meditating? is an ego thought. If real meditation is taking place, this thought cannot arise.
Don't worry about whether you are making progress or not.
Just keep your attention on the Self twenty-four hours a day.
Meditation is not something that should be done in a particular position at a particular time. It is an awareness and an attitude that must persist throughout the day. To be effective, meditation must be continuous.
If you want to water a field you dig a channel to the field and send water continuously along it for a lengthy period of time.
If you send water for only ten seconds and then stop, the water sinks into the ground even before it reaches the field. You will not be able to reach the Self and stay there without a prolonged, continuous effort. Each time you give up trying, or get distracted, some of your previous effort goes to waste.
Continuous inhalation and exhalation are necessary for the continuance of life. Continuous meditation is necessary for all
those who want to stay in the Self.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 23, 2015, 08:03:10 PM »
Talk 121
Talks between the Master and two Moslems on a previous occasion.
D :
Has God a form?
M :
Who says so?
D :
Well, if God has no form is it proper to worship idols?
M :
Leave God alone because He is unknown. What about you? Have you a form?
D :
Yes. I am this and so and so.
M :
So then, you are a man with limbs, about three and a half cubits high, with beard, etc. Is it so?
D :
M :
Then do you find yourself so in deep sleep?
D :
After waking I perceive that I was slept. Therefore by inference I remained thus in deep sleep also.
M :
If you are the body why do they bury the corpse after death? The body must refuse to be buried.
D :
No, I am the subtle jiva within the gross body.
M :
So you see that you are really formless; but you are at present identifying yourself with the body. So long as you are formful why should you not worship the formless God as being formful?
The questioner was baffled and perplexed.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:27:31 PM »

Q: Is it better to meditate for long periods of time or for short

AS: Except when one is in the sleep state, the effort to meditate should continue always. Just like the river which is flowing constantly towards the sea, our awareness should flow without a
break. We should not have this concept that we should meditate at certain times. The meditation on the Self should continue while walking, working, eating, etc. It should be naturally flowing in all places at all times.

- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 22, 2015, 06:55:56 AM »
A Beautiful Buddhist story on how to handle the mind when it is agitated

Once Buddha was walking from one town to another town with a few of his followers. This was in the initial days. While they were traveling, they happened to pass a lake. They stopped there and Buddha told one of his disciples, ?I am thirsty. Do get me some water from that lake there.?
The disciple walked up to the lake. When he reached it, he noticed that right at that moment, a bullock cart started crossing through the lake. As a result, the water became very muddy, very turbid. The disciple thought, ?How can I give this muddy water to Buddha to drink!?
So he came back and told Buddha, ?The water in there is very muddy. I don?t think it is fit to drink.? After about half an hour, again Buddha asked the same disciple to go back to the lake and get him some water to drink. The disciple obediently went back to the lake.
This time too he found that the lake was muddy. He returned and informed Buddha about the same. After sometime, again Buddha asked the same disciple to go back. The disciple reached the lake to find the lake absolutely clean and clear with pure water in it. The mud had settled down and the water above it looked fit to be had. So he collected some water in a pot and brought it to Buddha.
Buddha looked at the water, and then he looked up at the disciple and said,? See what you did to make the water clean. You let it be?. and the mud settled down on its own ? and you got clear water. Your mind is also like that! When it is disturbed, just let it be. Give it a little time. It will settle down on its own. You don?t have to put in any effort to calm it down. It will happen. It is effortless.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 21, 2015, 04:03:09 PM »
Excerpts from Living by the Words of Bhagavan

If you remain in the ?I am? as ?I am? no harm can come to you, the main thing is not go out of it.

If you take the ?I am? as your destiny no other destiny can befall you.

Abide as ?I am? and you will see no world, no mind, no distinctions and no directions.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 21, 2015, 12:32:59 PM »
D.: Can advaita be realized by japa of holy names; say Rama, Krishna, etc.?
M.: Yes.
D.: Is it not a means of an inferior order?
M.: Have you been told to make japa or to discuss its order in the scheme of things?
- Talk 55

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 21, 2015, 12:29:08 PM »
Q: When I keep the mind on this feeling of 'I am', must I be relaxed and quiet? Should I see what is happening, without interfering, or should I be observing, scrutinizing, comparing, etc. ?
AS: It is enough if you can simply relax in this 'I am?. Whatever happens in this 'I am?, this consciousness, just be indifferent to it.
You are the consciousness itself, not the thoughts and ideas that appear in it. Many things both good and bad are going on in this world. We don't bother about most of them because we think, ?these things are happening to somebody else and not to me?.
In the same way, be the consciousness 'I am' and be indifferent to the various things that come and go in your mind. If you identify with thoughts, judge them, compare them, worry about them, try to suppress them, or get involved with them in any way, they will cause you trouble. Instead, be utterly indifferent to them. If you don't pay them any attention, they can never adversely affect you.
Living by the Words of Bhagavan

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