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General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 17, 2017, 03:13:15 PM »
Jiddu Krishnamurti - Most people are occupied with jobs

1st QUESTION: The speaker has said that going to an office everyday from nine to five is an intolerable imprisonment. But in any society all kinds of jobs have to be done. Is K's teaching therefore only for the few?

You have understood? Shall I read it again? The speaker has said that human society is so constructed throughout the world that most people are occupied with jobs, pleasant or unpleasant, from nine to five everyday of their life. And he said also that it is an intolerable imprisonment. I don't know how you feel about it. Probably you like being in prison, probably you like your jobs from nine o'clock to five o'clock, rushing, rushing back and all the rest of it. What shall we do? To the speaker he wouldn't tolerate it for a single minute - for the speaker. I would rather do something which would be pleasant, helpful and necessary to earn enough money and so on. But most of us accept this prison, this routine - right? We accept it. So what shall we do? Nobody, as far as one is capable of sufficient observation, nobody has questioned this. We say it is normal, it is the way of society, it is the way of our life, it is the way we must live. But if we all see together that such an imprisonment, which it is actually, that we all feel it is intolerable, not just verbally but actually do something about it we will create a new society - right? We will if all of us say we will not tolerate for a single day this routine, this monstrous activity of nine to five, however necessary, however good and pleasant, then we will bring about not only psychological revolution but also outwardly. Right? We may agree about this but will we do it? You might say, "No, I can't do it because I have responsibility, I have children, I have a house and mortgage, insurance" - thank god I haven't got any of those! And so you might say, "It is easy for you to talk about all this." But it is easy for the speaker to talk about it because he refuses to go in that pattern. From boyhood he refused it.

For more refer this video clip here it is around 13 mts

Jiddu Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 2nd Public Question & Answer Meeting 30th August 1979



Saradamma: People look at Swamy ( Sri Lakshmana Swamy ) and me and think that realization must be relatively easy to achieve because we both realized the Self in a short time. However, we are exceptions. It is rare for someone to have the determination and dispassion that Swamy had during his sadhana, and it is equally rare for a devotee to be as God-intoxicated as I was.Complete surrender or earnest self-enquiry can only be effectively practiced by advanced devotees. Even Ramana Maharshi sometimes said that self-enquiry was for ripe souls only. Most people need a long period of purification to get their minds pure enough for total surrender or effective self-enquiry. Devotees ask for grace to realize the Self, but most devotees are nowhere near ready for realization; if they were given a large amount of grace the shock would kill them. For most people a preliminary period of mind purification, such as can be produced by japa or pranayama will be most useful.

- No Mind- I Am the Self by David Godman , p 214

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 04, 2017, 07:47:34 AM »


The ?I am? is present in all and not confined only to those who follow this particular teaching and Guru.
The intensity with which you meditate ?I am? will take you to your real Self as there is nothing else other than it.
To constantly mediate ?I am? is the only way. If this is not continuous enough the other part of the mind becomes predominant.


General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« on: June 29, 2017, 11:26:08 PM »
Thanks Balaji for sharing the info on the death of Soolamangalam Jeyalakshmi and it is a not a normal coincidence but a divine coincidence that she passed on the day of Sashti . If today Skanda Sasahti Kavacham and Skanda Guru Kavacham are popular then the credit definitely goes to Soolamangalam Sisters .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: June 27, 2017, 09:58:44 PM »
You should not allow your mind to wander in all directions when you do Puja to the Lord. A short focused Puja is better than an elaborate Puja where the mind keeps wavering
- Sri Srigeri Saradha peeda Mahaswamigal Sri Bharathi Thhertha Swamigal



Don?t regard the abidance in the ?I am? as a part-time activity. You must have a life long commitment to get yourself established in it.
At all times keep moving back to the ?I am?, your source, and do not let anything divert or distract you from this.
The ?I am? in its absolute purity is the infinite and formless, so when you abide in it you discover the infinite eye of the Self.
If you can hold on to the knowledge ?I am? at all times, no further practice or initiation will be necessary.


General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: June 26, 2017, 07:20:38 PM »
"ஸ்ரீ வித்யா மந்திரம் கேட்டு வந்த வாலிபனுக்கு
'ஸ்ரீ'யே (பெரியவா) 'வித்யை' (வித்தை) காட்டி விட்டாள்"
(ஆணவமாக வந்த வாலிபன்,பாலகனாக மனமகிழ்ச்சியுடன்
சென்ற நிகழ்ச்சி)

கட்டுரையாளர்-ஸ்ரீமடம் பாலு-122
தட்டச்சு-வரகூரான் நாராயணன்
புத்தகம்-காஞ்சி மகான் தரிசனம்
இளம் வயதுப் பையன். பழத்தட்டுடன் வந்து பவ்யமா
நமஸ்காரம் செய்தான்.பெரியவாளுக்கு.
"நீங்கதான் என்னோட குரு" என்றான்.
ரொம்பப் பேர், அப்படி சொல்லிண்டிருக்கா!"
உதடு பிரியாத புன்னகையுடன் பெரியவா.
"நான் அப்படியில்லே. உங்களைக் குருவாக வரித்து விட்டேன்.
எனக்கு ஸ்ரீ வித்யா ஷோடசி மந்த்ரம் உபதேசம் பண்ணணும்.
என்னைப் பரம சாக்தனாக ஆக்கணும். ஜான் வுட்ராஃபின்
தந்திர நூல்களையெல்லாம் படிச்சு முடிச்சுட்டேன்.
Serpent Power எனக்கு நெட்டுருவே ஆயிடுத்து..."
பெரியவாள், நிதானமாகக் கேட்டார்கள்.;
"நீ இப்போ என்ன சாதனை பண்ணிண்டிருக்கே?"
"லலிதா ஸஹஸ்ரநாம பாராயணம், சௌந்தர்யலஹரி,
மூக பஞ்சசதி,ஆனந்த ஸாகர ஸ்தவம்,சியாமளா தண்டகம்..."
"இதுபோறும்.அம்பாளைத் தியானம் செய்..."-பெரியவா
பையனுக்கு எரிச்சலாக வந்தது. சாக்தத்தில், தான் இவ்வளவு
ஊறியிருந்தும் பெரியவா,மந்திரோபதேசம் செய்ய ஏன்
மறுக்கிறார்? என்பது புரியவில்லை.தன்னைப்போன்று,தகுதி
வாய்ந்த அபூர்வமான பாத்திரம் வெகு அருமையாகத்தானே
"பெரியவா எனக்குக் கட்டாயமா மந்திரோபதேசம் செய்யணும்.
அதற்காகவே நாள் பார்த்துக்கொண்டு இன்றைக்கு வந்திருக்கேன்
உபதேசம் பெறாமல் போகமாட்டேன்"என்றான் கடுமையான
பெரியவாள் சிறிது நேரம் மௌனமாக இருந்தார்கள்.
"உனக்குப் பசிக்கிறதா?"--பெரியவா
"பசி எடுத்தா என்னென்ன சாப்பிடுவே?"
"சாதம்,குழம்பு, கூட்டு,கறி, அவியல், அப்பளம்,ரசம்,மோர்.."
"உங்கம்மா, நீ பிறந்த அன்றைக்கே சாதம் போட்டாளா?"
"இல்லை. பால்தான் கொடுத்தா..."
"அப்புறம்,கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமா சாதத்தையும் பருப்பையும்
வெழுமூணா பிசைஞ்சு ஊட்டினாள். அப்புறமா இட்லி,
தோசை. சாம்பார்,வெண்டைக்காய் கறி,புடலங்காய்க் கூட்டு..
"ஏன், அப்படிச் செய்தா? பொறந்த உடனேயே சாதம்
"ஜீரணம் ஆகாது; குழந்தைகளுக்கு ஒத்துக்காது;
கெடுதல் பண்ணும்..."--பையன்.
இடையில்,யார் யாருக்கோ பிரசாதம் கொடுத்தார்கள்;
குறைகளைக் கேட்டு ஆறுதல் கூறினார்கள்; ஸ்ரீ மடம்
அலுவல்களை உத்தரவிட்டார்கள். பின்னர்,
பையனைப் பார்த்தார்கள்.
"மந்திரங்களுக்கு ஜீவசக்தி உண்டு; கண்ணுக்குத் தெரியாத
தெய்விக அலையாக தேகம் முழுவதும் பரவும். அதை,
குழந்தைகளாலே தாங்கிக்க முடியாது.பால் குடிக்கிற
அதே குழந்தை, தக்க வளர்ச்சி ஏற்பட்டதும் சாதம்,
சாம்பார் சாப்பிடும்."--பெரியவா
"உனக்கு இப்போது பால பருவம்; பால் பருவம்;
காத்திண்டிரு. சாதப் பருவம் வரும்.அப்போது உனக்குச்
சாதம் ஊட்டுவதற்கு, ஒருவர் வந்து சேருவார்."--பெரியவா.
ஸ்ரீ வித்யா மந்திரம் கேட்டு வந்த வாலிபனுக்கு
'ஸ்ரீ'யே (பெரியவா) 'வித்யை' (வித்தை) காட்டி விட்டாள்.
ஆணவமாக வந்த வாலிபன்,பாலகனாக மனமகிழ்ச்சியுடன்

Pointer -27

From: ~~~ Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talk 596.
Sri Bhagavan said last night that God is guiding us.
Then why should we make an effort
to do anything?

Who asks you to do so?
If there was that faith in the guidance of God
this question would not have arisen.
The fact is that God guides us.
Then what is the use of these instructions to people?
They are for those who seek instructions.
If you are firm in your belief
in the guidance of God,
stick to it,
and do not concern yourself
with what happens around you.
there may be happiness or misery.
Be equally indifferent to both
and abide in the faith of God.
That will be so
only when one?s faith is strong
that God looks after all of us.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 25, 2017, 09:51:44 AM »
A man asked the Maharshi to say something to him. When asked what he wanted to know, he said that he knew nothing and wanted to hear something from the Maharshi.
M.: You know that you know nothing. Find out that knowledge. That is liberation (mukti).
-Talk 12.

From ~~~ My Recollections of Bhagavan Sri Ramana, P.45.
Devaraja Mudaliar :
When he [Bhagavan] was reading out
?Akarabuvanam-Chidambara Rahasyam?
in Thayumanavar?s works,

and came to the twenty-fourth verse :
Conceiving you
as everything from earth to space,
I shall record my thoughts
on the large page of my mind,
and looking at that image
ever and again,
I shall cry out:
?Lord of my life,
will you not come??
Repeatedly believing myself to be You,
I am unable to fix my attention
on anything else.
Lamenting in this way,
like one whose heart is wounded,
dissolving inwardly,
so that tears pour down in floods,
uttering deep sighs,
unaware even of my body,
I stand transfixed.
His [Bhagavan?s] eyes were so filled with tears
and his throat so choked with emotion
[as he read these words]
that he had to put aside the book
and break off his discourse.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 22, 2017, 08:21:34 AM »
205-Questions asked and Ma (Anadmayi Ma ) answers.....
(Continued from post 204)
Q-Those who cure the sting of a scorpion repeat their mantra only once a year for three hours while others cannot do anything effective in spite of performing japa of the name of Rama throughout the year. What is the reason for this?
Ma-Here something has to be made clear. Mahatmas say, do not even give a thought to the result of your devotions. To engage in japa of the name of Rama and at the same time to look for the benefit to be derived from it is not right. It just cannot be that Rama will not remove your sorrow. The person who is able to cure scorpion bite cannot cure anything else, as for instance snake bite. There are different mantras for snake bite. All these mantras and tantras are contained within God. Shiva and Vishnu have to be invoked by separate mantras. The mantras originating from Rishis have definite power. Just as when I exclaim "father", you will reply, "yes!" When called in anger you would respond in a different manner. By mantra japa the threefold suffering of the world is appeased. Just as snake poison is counteracted by certain special mantras, so it is possible to bring to a standstill the torturous course of this poisonous world by the power of God's holy name. If you utter the name of Rama with your last breath you will conquer death itself. Keep on repeating "Rama, Rama" and do not even look for the results to be obtained. Actually, if you hanker after results it must be understood that you are not seeking immortality. As you sow, so exactly will you reap. The results of your evil ways are most certainly accumulating in the measure as you practice them. When there is a desire for the fruit of action, you are bound to reap it. Who is God? From where do you derive the capacity to utter "I"? God is the mechanic who runs the machine, it is He who is making everyone move. Keep on repeating "Rama, Rama." The more you do so the keener will your inner eagerness grow. The sadhaka thinks he is dying. "Rama" means arama, rest and peace. Atmarama, the Rama in your soul, will not let you die, on the contrary your eagerness to realise God will increase even more. Thereby your impure desires will be blotted out and the name of Rama will never again forsake you. Oh Rama, how comforting it is to utter Thy name!
Jai Ma.

Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: forum devotees and their fate
« on: June 20, 2017, 09:30:33 PM »
It has been a long time since I corresponded with Udai and he maintains a blog but it is not frequently updated .
No doubt lot of social media groups related to Bhagavan have come up but I still like to use this forum to post not only post any interesting quote or teaching from Bhagavan ,Annamalai Swamy or other great teachers but also get valuable pointers from other's postings .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 20, 2017, 06:07:38 PM »
Saint Tayumanuvar once said, 'Why all these maha yogas [great yogas]? All these yogas are maya!'
If you try to meditate without understanding that your real nature is Self, and Self alone, your meditation practice will only
lead you to more mental bondage.
Bhagavan once said. To keep the mind in the Self all you have to do is remain still'.
To realize the Self you don't actually have to do anything except be still. Just give up identifying with the mind and hold onto the Self. That is enough. Be still and cultivate the awareness of ?I am the Self; the Self is all'. What difficulties can arise from doing a simple practice like this?
Q: The mind doesn't want to be ignored. It wants to spin round and round forever. I came to you because I thought that you might be able to help me to gain some control over my wayward thoughts.
AS: 'Who came here for help?' Find out who that person is. Don't automatically assume that he exists and that he needs help with his problems. If you think like this your problems will increase, not decrease.
Identifying oneself with the body and the mind results in
ignorance of the Self. This is how the ego takes birth. Detaching ourselves and disengaging from the body and the mind results in the death of the ego. Bhagayan once said to me: The one who limits the Self by believing himself to be the body and the mind has ?killed? his own Self.
For killing the Self he has to be punished. The punishment is birth and death and continuous misery.'
Living by the Words of Bhagavan, p. 287/88

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 18, 2017, 10:39:51 PM »

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