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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 28, 2015, 06:01:11 PM »

General Discussion / Re: where am I?
« on: April 28, 2015, 10:13:34 AM »
On reading brief science details, and the photos, one cannot
but wonder about the Creator!

Subramaniam Sir

What you say is true .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: April 27, 2015, 10:54:47 AM »
When in our younger days we feel an inexplicable longing to grasp at the truth of things and think of taking up seriously the study of our Vedanta, many of our sincere friends, relatives and well-wishers would be shocked at our "premature" and "ill-advised" attempt to explore the philosophical lore of our ancient sages, would censure us in threatening tones how foolhardy such an attempt was, would point out to us what dire consequences would follow such foolish inroads into forbidden ground where far greater men were still groping without knowing how to find their way in or out of it, and would cite to us, as warning examples, the cases of those who had perished in their foolishness and had been lost to the world for ever. Necessarily we would be very much discouraged by such disinterested advice and would drop the attempt altogether. But when the innate longing is strong and persistent we will come at a stage of life when we make up our mind to have that longing satisfied at any risk. Once we start with this determination, we will feel before long that the road before us is really smooth and not at all thorny. Where we expected dangerous pitfalls, there would be stepping-stones. Instead of "wild beasts and robbers" on the way, we will find very kind and helping hands. When actually on the road, we will feel a joy and exhilaration, which no earthly thing can ever offer us. When we do enter into the heart and spirit of the Vedanta, we will find it so pure, clean and healthy and giving us the bliss beyond compare.

- Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal


How to check the Mind

Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

D :
How to check the mind?

Maharshi :
Will a thief betray himself? Will the mind find itself? The mind cannot seek the mind. You have ignored what is real and are holding on to the mind which is unreal and also trying to find what it is. Was there mind in your sleep? It was not. It is now here. It is therefore impermanent. Can the mind be found by you? The mind is not you. You think you are the mind and therefore ask me how it is checked. If it is there it can be checked. But it is not. Understand this truth by search. Search for unreality is fruitless. Therefore seek the reality, i.e., the self. That is the way to rule over the mind.

General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« on: April 26, 2015, 02:50:25 PM »

Suki Sivam Speech about Ramana Maharishi



Glad to note that you and your family are safe .

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Pointer - 21
Bhagavan on Mind

Talk 238

In answer to some question Maharshi said :
There is a state when words cease and silence prevails.

D :
How to communicate thought to each other?

M :
That is only when there is the notion of two.

D :
How to get peace?

M :
That is the natural state. The mind obstruct the innate peace. Our investigation is only in the mind. Investigate the mind; it will disappear.

There is no entity by name mind. Because of the emergence of thoughts we surmise something from which they start. That we term mind. When we probe to see what it is, there is nothing like it. After it has vanished, Peace will be found to remain eternal.

D :
What is buddhi (intellect)?

M :
The thinking or discriminating faculty. These are mere names. Be it the ego, the mind or the intellect, it is all the same. Whose mind? Whose intellect? The ego's. Is the ego real? No. We confound the ego and call it intellect or mind.

D :
Emerson says, Soul answers soul by itself-not by description of words.

M :
Quite so. However much you learn, there will be no bounds to knowledge. You ignore the doubter but try to solve the doubts. On the other hand, hold on to the doubter and the doubts will disppear.

D :
Then the question resolves itself to knowing the Self.

M :
Quite so.


Talk 235

Mr.T.K.S Iyer, a disciple, was excited because someone in the town had spoken disparagingly of the Master. He did not retort and came away excited. So he asked Master what penalty should ba paid for his failure to defend him.

Maharshi :
Patience, more patience; tolerence, more tolerence!


Self-enquiry practice from 'BE AS YOU ARE'

Question: I want to be further enlightened. Should I try to make no efforts at all?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Here it is impossible for you to be without effort. When you go deeper, it is impossible for you to make any effort. If the mind becomes introverted through enquiry into the source of Aham-Vritti (ego-sense), the Vasanas (mental tendencies) become extinct. The light of the Self falls on the Vasanas and produces the phenomenon of reflection we call the mind. Thus, when the Vasanas become extinct the mind also disappears, being absorbed into the light of the one reality, the Heart. This is the sum and substance of all that an aspirant needs to know. What is imperatively required of him is an earnest and one-pointed enquiry into the source of the Aham-Vritti.

Edited by David Godman

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 16, 2015, 05:19:10 PM »
Talk 213
Devotee :
Why the mind cannot be turned inward in spite of repeated attempts.

Maharshi :
It is done by practice and dispassion and that succeeds only gradually. The mind, having been so long a cow accustomed to graze stealthily on others estates, is not easily confined to her stall. However much her keeper tempts her with luscious grass and fine fodder, she refuses the first time; then she takes a bit; but her innate tendency to stray away asserts itself; and she slips away; on being repeatedly tempted by the owner, she accustomed herself to the stall; finally even if let loose she would not stray away. Similarly with the mind. If once it finds its inner happiness it will not wander outward.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 15, 2015, 10:19:33 AM »
It is distinctly stated in the Upanishads that the life- force of a Brahmanishtha never leaves his body, but inheres in the heart itself. If the Samadhi (tomb) is properly maintained and approached, it will confer inestimable bliss on the devotee, granting him boons.
This view is supported by Tirumular?s ?Tiru-mantram?, a Tamil classic, which states that the Jnani, whether in the embodied or disembodied state, is Brahman Himself and, as the Guru of all his children, personally takes care of them and blesses them. This authoritative work also proclaims the omnipresent character of the Jnani after giving up his body. Again, the Agamas state that, even if the Brahmanishtha has decided to cast off his coat and take up his abode elsewhere, he leaves in his old body one of his sixteen kalas, which is all powerful, to shed forth his blessing.
If it is felt that Sri Ramana is still actually in our midst and his presence is to be found most easily at the spot where he lived so long and his body is buried, surely this is only natural. Is it not the tradition amongst all great religions of the world, with no exception? Even the Muslims revere the graves of accredited saints, while the Buddhists go on tiresome pilgrimages just to pay reverence to some relic. People do not take all this trouble unless they feel there is a very good reason.
When Sri Ramana lay dying, people went to him and begged him to remain for a while longer as they needed his help. His reply is well known.
?Go! Where can I go? I shall always be here.?
The power of Sri Ramana, who gave up his physical form has not diminished. He is everywhere, like the light in a room shed by an electric bulb. But the light is found to be far stronger near the bulb, the source of light, than in any other part of the room, though no spot is in darkness. What wonder, then, if the power of our Guru is found near the place where his body is interred?
- Major Chadwick, 'A Sadhu?s Reminiscences of Ramana Maharshi'

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: April 14, 2015, 06:10:23 PM »
Conserve every bit of energy within. Do not waste your time and energy by entering into hot discussions, intellectual gymnastics and lingual warfare. Give up all arguments and discussions entirely. You will progress on the spiritual path. If you meditate for half an hour you will be able to face the daily battle of life with peace and spiritual strength for one week through the force of meditation. Such is the beneficial effect of meditation. As you have to move with many different minds of peculiar nature, get the requisite strength and peace from meditation and be free from worry and trouble~Swami Sivananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 12, 2015, 08:57:01 PM »


Q: I am puzzled by some aspects of this teaching. There is no doubt that Bhagavan was realized, but in that state he was still aware of his body. When Bhagavan was ill he didn't say, ?I have pain,' he said, ?It has pain? . Since he had awareness of that pain in the body he must still have been a little identified with it?

AS: Even when the body was experiencing pain, Bhagavan was beyond it. He was not affected by anything that was happening to the body.

Q: He was beyond in the sense that he was not concerned or troubled by it, but he was still aware that the body was experiencing pain.

AS: There was an awareness of pain but there was no feeling, ?This is my body; I have pain?. You can be aware of birds flying in and out of a tree without thinking, 'I am this tree, these birds are mine'' similarly Bhagavan could be aware of bodily sensations without thinking 'I am this body; this pain is mine?; Bhagavan wore a body in the same way that other people wear a dhoti.

You are attaching too much importance to bodies, both
Bhagavan's and your own. It is possible to exist without' being
aware of the body in any way. Your experience in deep sleep should satisfy you that this is possible. Your questions and doubts are all coming from the body-mind level, from the idea that you are a body and a person. You can find out what the relationship
between the body and the Self is by experiencing the Self as it really is. But to get that experience you must first be willing to give up the idea that you are a body and a person. You will never have the experience while you are still clinging to erroneous ideas about the body. You will not resolve your doubts about the body by discussing them, you will only resolve them by giving them up.

- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 12, 2015, 08:47:44 PM »
Date: 16.9.42 Time: 10.15 A.M.

50. When I entered the hall a discussion was going on about self-enquiry. Bhagavan was in his usual posture with adorable countenance. A frequent visitor said:
?Bhagavan has said that self-enquiry is simple, direct and effective. Though I try to follow the same I cannot say I have understood it. I put the question 'Who am I?' but there is no proper response from within. However, I am getting a sort of stillness. ?
Bhagavan: "How can you get the answer in words? It is not a regular mental enquiry to elicit a concrete answer. It is only a tool to direct the mind back to its source."
Visitor: "Yes, I follow. But the result is not clear to me. There is a short stillness which does not last."
Bhagavan: "You should be steadfast in sadhana. By repeating the process you fix attention on the ego, the 'I'- thought. Whenever the doubt arises repeat the process and make the enquiry. Try to reach the source of the ego. Once you reach the source, by one-pointed effort, your peace will not be disturbed.''

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 12, 2015, 03:24:14 PM »
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
D :
How to get rid of the mind?
M :
Is it the mind that wants to kill itself? The mind cannot kill itself. So your business is to find the real nature of the mind. Then you will know that there is no mind. When the Self is sought, the mind is nowhere. Abiding in the Self, one need not worry about the mind.

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