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General Discussion / Spiritual Doubts Answered
« on: May 19, 2019, 11:04:40 PM »
This thread will have some spiritual doubts answered by various teachers from various Spiritual Schools - Ramana , Ramakrishna , Sivananda , Chinmaya , Dayananda , JK ,Osho etc etc .  It does not matter who the teacher is just see if the answers bring clarity to you .

Negative Vasanas: What to Do About Them?

Question-1 I have a strong negative vasana troubling me. I seem to get free from it for long periods and I return to it; and when it returns I feel guilt and shame. I try my best to get free from it, but instead I seem to be stuck with it. What do you suggest for me to do?

Answer : I vaguely remember that we talked about this some years back. Anyway, in a few words vasanas are traces or impressions left in the causal body (subconscious mind) every time we respond to the field with our actions. In this context, we can classify vasanas as ?positive? vasanas and ?negative? vasanas. Positive vasanas are the fructification of positive past actions. They are the ones conducive to spiritual growth and the development of purity of mind. Negative vasanas are the fructification of negative past actions. They prevent spiritual development. They are going to keep you stuck and guilty. But the good news is that however strong and deeply rooted a negative vasana may be, it can always be obstructed, reduced to a manageable proportion and, with the karma yoga spirit, gradually transformed into good, positive actions.

Positive actions are sattvic actions ? actions done with the spirit of contribution to the field. Your main motivation is to act in harmony with dharma, regardless of your self-centered desires, which are meant to be sacrificed on the altar of dharma. Sattvic actions aim first to fulfill the needs of the total, and your personal needs secondly. It is conducive to the development of good vasanas ? vasanas which will cause your rapid spiritual growth.

A rajasic action is the one aiming to fulfill one?s personal needs only. They are the ones producing rajasic vasanas, vasanas responsible for personal material gains. They are conducive to prosperity and the development of a positive self-image. They do not trouble the mind to the extent that one feels compelled to break the rules, to violate dharma. Pure rajasic vasanas do not produce spiritual advancement, but at least they do not bring you down; you remain stagnated, with neither growth nor decline.

A tamasic vasana is the real problem. It is conducive to tamasic actions ? actions that are not only self-centered but also in violation of dharma. People under the predominance of tamasic vasanas are usually lazy, but laziness does not entirely take care of nagging, binding desires. As a result, a tamasic person is inclined to do stupid things in order to get what it wants. Lazy people are not much inclined to do many actions, but those few actions tend to break the rules. They are usually not motivated enough to develop the necessary skills to play by the rules.

How to obstruct and transform those negative vasanas? A vasana is only a vasana in the causal body. Once it appears in the subtle body, it is a ?vritti,? a thought. You can only work on such vasanas in your conscious mind (subtle body). How? By (1) applying the opposite thought with reference to the vasana-thought; (2) denying its expression, mental, verbal and physical; (3) developing the religious attitude known as karma-dharma yoga.

Will power is very important at this level, but not enough. You need knowledge of the three bodies, the nature of desire, the nature of the field, the nature of objects, Isvara?s natural laws (dharma), etc. Knowledge, together with will power: this is the only way to burn away hardwired vasanas; and again, patience is a ?must? because binding negative vasanas are deeply rooted tendencies, habits ? they are developed in time, therefore they die in time too, and gradually.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: May 19, 2019, 07:11:27 PM »
अपारकरुणासिन्धुं ज्ञानदं शान्तरूपिणम्।
श्रीचन्द्रशेखरगुरुं प्रणमामि मुदान्वहम्।।
सदाशिवसमारम्भां शङ्कराचार्यमध्यमाम्।
अस्मदाचार्यपर्यन्तां वन्दे  गुरुपरम्पराम्।।

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 19, 2019, 12:01:43 PM »
?Please do not build a stupa for me. Please do not put my ashes in a vase, lock me inside, and limit who I am. I know this will be difficult for some of you. If you must build a stupa though, please make sure that you put a sign on it that says, ?I am not in here.? In addition, you can also put another sign that says, ?I am not out there either,? and a third sign that says, ?If I am anywhere, it is in your mindful breathing and in your peaceful steps.?

Thich Nhat Hanh

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« on: May 01, 2019, 04:35:05 PM »
The Self is Always in You, Around You and Everywhere
by N.N. Rajan

I have had many opportunities to talk to Bhagavan and one of them I mention here. One day I went to see Gurumurtham and the garden near it. These two places are well known to those who have read his biography. It was in this garden that Bhagavan?s uncle recognized him as his nephew Venkataraman, who had left his home some three years earlier.

After visiting the two places, I returned to the Asramam and told Bhagavan that the place now was more or less an open ground and was not a garden as described by B. V. Narasimhaswami in his book Self Realisation.

Bhagavan immediately began to describe how the garden had been then and proceeded further to describe his life during his sojourn there. He said that he was taking shelter in a lamb pen where it was hardly high enough for him to sit erect. If he wanted to stretch his body on the floor, most of it would be out in the open. He wore only a koupina and had no covering over the rest of his body. If it rained, he remained on the wet and sodden ground where sometimes water stood a couple of inches deep! He did not feel any inconvenience because he had no ?body sense? to worry him. He felt that sunrise and sunset came in quick succession. Time and space did not exist for him! He then tried to describe the state of his awareness of the Self and his awareness of the body and things material. To him, the sun of absolute Reality made the phenomenal world disappear and he was immersed in that light which dissolves diversity into the One Without a Second!

It is not possible to express exactly the thrill felt by all of us who were listening to him. We all felt transported into that condition for which we are striving. There was a deep silence in the hall for some time and everyone present felt peace and happiness. It occurred to me then that Bhagavan, while narrating any incident of his life, was taking the opportunity to teach us, and I told him that when he spoke we felt as if it were easy to experience the Self and as if we had glimpses of it.

We asked him exactly how one has to proceed to be in that state of continuous awareness which he had described. Bhagavan, with his sparkling eyes, looked at me benevolently, raised his hands and said:

?It is the easiest thing to obtain. The Self is always in you, around you and everywhere. It is the substratum and the support of everything. You are experiencing the Self and enjoying it every moment of your life. You are not aware of it because your mind is on things material and thus gets externalized through your senses. Hence, you are unable to know it. Turn your mind away from material things which are the cause of desires, and the moment you withdraw your mind from them you become aware of the Self. Once you experience the Self, you are held by it, and you become ?That? which is the One Without a Second.?

When he finished his words I again felt as I had felt on the first day I met him. that Bhagavan is a big powerhouse and his power or grace overwhelms us, whatever our ideas may be, and leads us into the channel flowing into the Self. It became clear to me that we can have the knowledge of the Self if only we take the path on which a realized person or guru directs us.

In conclusion, I wish to say that one should constantly meditate that one is not the body or the mind. Unless the mind is in contact with the senses, we cannot get any report from our ears, eyes, etc. We must therefore still the mind by disconnecting it from the senses and thus get beyond them to experience the Self. What we learn from sense perception is only relative knowledge. Knowledge of the Self can be learned only by sitting at the feet of one who has realized it; what others tell you is mere talk. Bhagavan Ramana is one of those Masters who has realized the Self and like all other Masters who preceded him, he helps us proceed rapidly to attain Self-knowledge.

- N.N. Rajan, Saranagati eNewsletter, Jul/August 2018
- Gurumurtham

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
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General topics / Re: Pointers to Presence
« on: April 28, 2019, 07:28:52 PM »


"When you make the present moment, instead of past and future, the focal point of your life, your ability to enjoy what you do and with it the quality of your life increases dramatically."

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
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General topics / Re: Pointers to Presence
« on: April 28, 2019, 12:50:28 PM »
?If you ignore your inner purpose, no matter what you do, even if it looks spiritual, the ego will creep into how you do it, and so the means will corrupt the end. The common saying ?The road to hell is paved with good intentions? points to this truth. In other words, not your aims or your actions are primary, but the state of consciousness out of which they come. Fulfilling your primary purpose is laying the foundation for a new reality, a new earth. Once that foundation is there, your external purpose becomes charged with spiritual power because your aims and intentions will be one with the evolutionary impulse of the universe.?

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 25, 2019, 10:38:54 AM »
1. "Turn the mind inward and rest in your own Self."
2. " Mind is the cause of bondage."
3. " Give up one thing after another and rest in peace."
4. "What we get, we shall lose, so desire not."
5. " There are two kinds of meditation. The first is to be practised by advanced aspirants ?? nirguna dhyana ? where one seeks to know the Meditator himself. The second kind is to be practised by those less advanced ?> a somewhat round about course?saguna dhyana?where the meditator, meditation, and the object of meditation get merged ultimately into one."
6. " When I come to know that I was never born, I shall never die. Death is for one who is born. I was never born. I have no body and so I shall never die.I am everywhere; where am I to go and where am I to come? "
7. " When a man's mind is dead, he will not die again."
8. " Attain the sushupti (state of sleep) in the jagrat (waking) state, and you become a jnani"
9. " Turn the mind inward and search for the Seer and you find that you are the Seer and the objective world does not exist."
10. " The mind divides itself into the subject and object? the Seer anl the seen. So the outer world of names and forms has no independent existence."
11. " The jiva is the reflection of Brahman on the mind."
12. " A man might have performed many karmas in his previous births. A few of them alone will be chosen for this birth, and he will have to enjoy their fruits in this birth. It is something like a magic lantern show where the showman picks but a few slides to be exhibited at a performance, the remaining slides being reserved for other performances. But it is possible for a man to destroy his karma by acquiring knowledge of the Self. The different karmas are the slides, karmas being the result of past experience? and the mind is the projector.
The projector must be destroyed, and there will be no reflection and no sarnsara."
13. " I am the ruler of the mind. I am not the mind. Most people take the mind for the Self and bring misery upon themselves."
14. " Guru is necessary for a man; he serves as a guide on the road to realisation. But there are some who have known the Truth without a Guru to guide them. Such men must have learnt in their previous incarnations. There are some in whose case a word or two will suffice to set them on the road to realisation, while, there are others who have to work for years before they can make any progress."
15. " Dhyana is necessary for the realisation of the Truth. Every man must select
what suits him among the paths laid down for reaching the goal ? yoga, bhakti,
and janana. Vichara is also yoga, not merely study of books."
16. "When the jiva knows himself to be Parabrahman and rests in peace, that is the Supreme Silence (maunam)."
17. " The Self is changeless; all changes are changes of the mind. Through avidya (ignorance) the changes of the mind are attributed to the Atman"
18. " Look at sweets made of sugar. Some are of the shape of brinjals, some are shaped like mantapams and horses, yet they are all of one substance, sugar. In the same way, the objects of this world, though of different shapes and sizes, or names and forms, all are nothing but Brahman."
19. " Asramas (stages of life, such as grihasta, brahmacharya) exist only with reference to the physical body; Atman has no asramas"
20. To the question: " Why should a man be under an illusion? ", Bhagavan answered : " Enquire who has illusion, and you will find that there is no illusion."
21. " You should have no fear, for the Atman is everywhere, and you are that Atman.
When there is a feeling of separateness, fear arises."
22. "The advaita philosophy alone can successfully stand all tests. Other schools
torture the Vedic texts so as to suit their own theories."
23. " Men desire psychic powers, but what they get they must lose some day or other.
Seeking powers implies that you are inferior to the power from whom you try to get them. All movements of the mind tend to keep you in bondage. So give up desire, and do not be dependent on anything for you yourself are the store-house of power and bliss. Give up everything else and keep your mind at peace".

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 14, 2019, 09:24:07 AM »

Bhagavan sometimes said that Self-knowledge, that is, attaining the state of the jnani, is an easy thing because we are already the Self and consequently are already realized. At other times he would admit that attaining such a state is very difficult. To illustrate the latter attitude, I can offer the following exchange. A woman came and had Bhagavan's darshan. When she was ready to leave, she asked him,
'Bhagavan, my mind is wandering in many directions. What shall I do?'
Bhagavan advised her, 'Let it go in only on in one direction.'

After she had left, I asked him, 'If that is possible, what more do we want? That is jnana itself, is it not?'

'Well, what am I to do or say?' asked Bhagavan. 'As soon as people come here they want to become jnanis. They think it is quite easy. They do not realize the difficulty in it.'

- Rangan

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