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General Discussion / Gita Jayanti - 23 DEC 2012
« on: December 23, 2012, 07:05:07 PM »

Gita Jayanti - 23 DEC 2012

Gita Jayanti, also referred as Bhagawad Geetha Jayanthi, is the day when the Bhagvad Gita was rendered by Lord Krishna to Arjuna in the Kurukshetra on the first day of the famous 18-day battle in the Mahabharata. In 2012, the date of Gita Jayanti is December 23. Gita Jayanthi falls on the Ekadashi day of Shukla Paksha (the bright half) of the Margashirsha month (November-December) in traditional Hindi calendar.
The greatest quality of Bhagavad Gita is that it prompts you to think, it prompts you to take decision, and it prompts you to look at life differently and refreshingly and all this without surrendering your individuality.
Bhagavad Gita adapts to the present and discusses an issue by rooting itself in the present. Every moment a confused Arjuna opens the Gita to take the advice of Krishna. And through the immortal Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna has been discussing and debating and finding solutions to the various problems faced by the confused Arjunas for centuries and will continue to do the same forever.
The day is observed all around the world with the reading of Bhagavad Gita, which is referred outside India as the Bible of the Hindus. Discussions and seminars are organized on the day.
All Hindu temples, especially those dedicated to Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna, conduct special pujas on the day.
The ideal way to celebrate Gita Jayanti is by reading at least a stanza from the Bhagavad Gita.

General Discussion / Poems, Sayings on Solitude
« on: December 20, 2012, 02:06:01 PM »
Since solitude is being discussed "soundly" on another thread   :), I wish to share here Ode on Solitude by Alexander Pope

Ode on Solitude

Happy the man, whose wish and care
A few paternal acres bound,
Content to breathe his native air,
In his own ground.

Whose heards with milk, whose fields with bread,
Whose flocks supply him with attire,
Whose trees in summer yield him shade,
In winter fire.

Blest! who can unconcern'dly find
Hours, days, and years slide soft away,
In health of body, peace of mind,
Quiet by day,

Sound sleep by night; study and ease
Together mix'd; sweet recreation,
And innocence, which most does please,
With meditation.

Thus let me live, unseen, unknown;
Thus unlamented let me dye;
Steal from the world, and not a stone
Tell where I lye.
Alexander Pope

Others can share poems ,sayings on Solitude by other poets , saints etc ( in English , Tamil ) etc

Humour / Today's Date is Unqiue : 20-12-2012
« on: December 20, 2012, 01:35:28 PM »
Today's Date is Unqiue : 20-12-2012 , next possible similar date is 21-01-2101 i.e after 88 years .

General topics / Sangam Literature
« on: December 19, 2012, 01:10:01 PM »
Dear Friends

Few years back in a different  forum there was a sort of heated debate between Sangam literature and Bhakti Literature ( Thevarams , Thiruvachagam , Divya Prabandhams ) etc and the primary point of debate was that Bhakti literature hijacked the Sangam literature and they saw it as a sort of Brahmin Conspiracy as most of the Sangam works were done by Jains , Buddhist , Atheists  and was anti vedic etc ,while the supporters of Bhakti literature say that Sangam literature just focused on love , heroism , virtues etc but not on God , Moksha, Vedas  etc which Bhakti literature gave lot of emphasis and hence it became popular . The only Sangam literature that became popular with both parties was Thirukural but then it has hundreds of commentaries each contradicting one another .

I am not an expert in either Sangam literature or Bhakti literature but would like someone to throw more light on Sangam literature and how it differs from Bhakti literature .

Om Peace .

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Ribhu Gita - Discussions
« on: December 18, 2012, 07:29:56 PM »
Dear Friends

Tushnim has started a thread on Ribhu Gita Readings . This text "Ribhu Gita " being a favorite text of Bhagwan Ramana ,I felt it deserved its own place for discussions and hence started this thread . Tushnim is putting some selected messages in the other thread and I will also add selected passages from the book "The Essence of Ribhu Gita " and I feel we can use this thread for discussions .

Om Peace .


The following details are from the blog of a friend of mine who has kindly permitted to share it here and in fact he was the one who gave me the Siva Sahasranamam Text and Audio to be read and chanted and I am now sharing the same with others here .

Shiva Sahasranama of Linga Purana - Talk and chanting by Swami Shantananda Puri

This is a wonderful Shiva Sahasranama that has been recommended by His Holiness Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Mahaswamigal (1894-1994) of Kanchi Mutt.

For the Sanskrit text please download from the below weblink:
Note : The above has Sasnkrit Text with word by word meaning in Hindi but the introduction is in English and one can understand the importance of this text and how much trouble Swami Shantananda Puri had in getting the original Linga Purana version of Shiva Sahasranamam .

For tamil text please download from my Dropbox link below.
For the audio talk in Tamil and chanting of Shiva Sahasranamam by Swami Shantananda Puri, please do the following:
a. Copy paste the links below one after another to your browser
Track 1 of audio is the talk by Swami Shantananda Puri in Tamil  –
Track 2 of audio is the chanting by Swamiji –
The audio will start playing. Right click anywhere on the screen and click “Save As” and download each of the below files.
Note : The Audio is not of studio quality as it was recorded with a simple recording device and hence it has some slight disturbance but overall better .

Om Peace .

General topics / Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 16, 2012, 02:26:16 PM »

Sri Subramaniam Sir has opened a thread on Thiruppavai on the auspicious day of starting of Margazhi Season today i,e Sun 16 Dec 2012 and Sri Ravi is also giving the explanation of verses based on the talks of Sage TGN which he has listened to and I do not want to disturb that thread for asking any doubts / discussion of the same and hence opening a new thread for the same .
So let us share our doubts and opinion in this thread without disturbing the other thread and leave it free to Sri Ravi to share his thoughts whenever he feels comfortable doing so .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / PSEUDO-VEDANTIC STUDENT - Swami Sivananda
« on: December 09, 2012, 11:38:42 AM »
PSEUDO-VEDANTIC STUDENT from the book Vedanta For Beginners  by Swami Sivananda
A young aspirant says: “I have taste for Vedanta only. I do not like either Bhakti or Karma
Yoga. They are far inferior to Vedanta. Only Vedanta elevates me.
Only Vedanta inspires me and
raises me to the magnanimous heights of Divine Splendour and Glory.”
This foolish Vedantic student is like the greedy typhoid patient with ulcers in his bowels,
who wants to eat and says, “I have taste for sweetmeats. I want to eat them now.” What will be the result if he eats Rasagullas and Laddus at this stage? The bowels will rupture and he will die of
bleeding from the bowels or intestinal haemorrhage immediately.
He is also like the patient who selects himself a medicine from the almirah, Liquor
Arsenicalis or Tr. of Opium, and says, “I like this medicine only. I want to taste this now.” What
will happen if he tastes this medicine without consulting the doctor? He will die of arsenical or
opium poisoning. He does not know the dose of the medicine. Instead of taking a few drops he may
take them in a large quantity and give up his vital breath at once. It is the doctor alone who can select the right medicine for the patient.
Everybody cannot want to become a Commissioner or District Collector or Governor
without possessing the necessary qualifications. Can anyone become an M.A., Ph.D., without
undergoing the course for Matriculation, F.A. and B.A.?
It is the Guru alone who can select the right type of Yoga for the aspirant and right kind of
books for him.
He knows the degree of evolution of the student and he alone can chalk out the right path for the aspirant. He will ask him to study first Atma-Bodha, Tattva-Bodha,
Atma-Anatma-Viveka. But the raw self-willed student goes to the library and at once takes up the
highly advanced books, Yoga-Vasishtha and Brahma-Sutras, for his study!
He becomes a
pseudo-Vedantin or lip-Vedantin within six months and enters into discussions with elderly

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. After studying Yoga-Vasishtha and the Karikas on
Mandukya Upanishad for six months, he says: “There is no world in the three periods of time.
Aham Brahma Asmi—Sivoham—Sivah Kevaloham.” He is puffed up with empty pride, vanity and
hollowness, and walks in the streets with his head erect.
He will never make any prostration to
elderly Sannyasis and Sadhus, but chant the formula very often, “Sivoham, Sivoham.”
Such aspirants are formidable Asuras on this earth. They are a great burden on this earth.
They pollute the atmosphere and create dissensions and quarrels everywhere, by entering into heated debates with sincere devotees and Karma Yogis. They cannot prosper in the spiritual path.
Vedanta in the hands of raw and unregenerate persons who lack purity and devotion and
who have not removed the impurity of their hearts through untiring selfless service with
Atma-Bhava and Kirtan and prayer, is perilous.
It is like a sharp razor in the hands of a child.
Instead of expanding their hearts the Vedantic study will thicken and fatten their egoism. They fall
into the deep abyss of ignorance. There is no hope, for them, of being lifted up, as their heart is filled with foolish, Tamasic, obstinacy, false Vedantic pride and self-superiority and false Tushti
May this land be free from such impotent, pseudo lip-Vedantins! May this world abound
with real Vedantins like Dattatreya, Yajnavalkya and Sankara!


A tsunami alert was issued for Japan's northeast coast on Friday after a powerful 7.3-magnitude undersea earthquake struck, setting buildings in Tokyo swaying violently.

Media reports said a one-metre-high wave could sweep ashore in Miyagi prefecture, an area badly hit by the March 2011 tsunami that devastated a large swathe of coast in the northeast, killing thousands.

Broadcaster NHK, quoting the national meteorological agency, said the tsunami is expected to hit at 5:40 pm (0840 GMT).

The United States Geological Survey measured the quake's magnitude at 7.3.

General Discussion / 12 Steps for "Inner Silence"
« on: December 05, 2012, 07:20:02 PM »

Few Months back I got the following 12 Steps for "Inner Silence" from a friend of mine by email .I do not know of its source but I found it quite useful and practical and sharing it here . I do agree that  following all is not possible but we can try our best .
In another thread there was a discussion on Solitude for spiritual sadhana and I felt that we need to make the best use of our own available resources at home to create such a situation and hence sharing this .

1) Turn off the TV, Internet  and keep them off and perhaps stop reading the news as well.Use them only for functional purpose .

2) Limit or cease your intake of alcohol, don't do any drugs, stop smoking and watch your diet by starting to eat lots of raw fruits and vegetables i.e keep it as much sattvic as possible . Avoid as much as possible fast food and processed food .

3) Practice some form of meditation, contemplation or silent yoga: every day as a discipline.

4) Get plenty of sleep, at least 7-8 hours per night of gentle, uninterrupted sleep.( Many people have guilt with regard to sound sleep but in modern context sound sleep is necessary for good health and it is very useful to be productive the next day . )

5) Get in touch with nature: watch the sunrise or sunset, the clouds, the waves, listen to the birds. (This is tough in a City Environment which is a concrete jungle but try visiting a park nearby to be in touch with nature walk you way to buy daily fruits and vegetables daily instead of buying it in bulk once a week and storing it in refrigerator .At least you will have a feel of the fresh fruits and vegetables .)

6) Read some of the works of spiritual masters or teachers or Holy Texts ( like Bhagavad Gita ,Day by Day with Bhagwan  ,Gospel of Ramakrishna etc etc . You can also listen to good audio spiritual talks) .

7) Accept the fact that the past, your past is gone, dead, finished and has no control over you at all.

8 ) Forgive anyone and everyone who has hurt you in your life.

9) Seek out those you have hurt in life and ask their understanding and maybe their forgiveness but accept the fact that they might not offer you any kindness.

10) Accept the fact that "you" have absolutely no control over what the next moment or anything in the future will bring.

11) Accept the fact that NOW is the only reality: get in touch with what that really means.

12) Let go of everything you have ever learned, known or believed true, including your religious belief, your political affiliation, your social status and anything and everything that people, living and dead have told you about yourself. Instead find an answer to the question, "Who am I"? The sincere answer to that question is your freedom and the discovery of pure silence.

Om Peace .

Padamalai : Qualifications for maturity (p.256)

* When the mind, through the quality of extreme purity, merges in the Heart, it will attain perfection as peace.

* If the mind that has become one-pointed, like the tip of darba-grass, merges with the Heart, the experience of pure Being, seemingly impossible to attain, will be very easily discovered.

* Taking a thick fat crowbar (as a needle), it is not possible to stitch together extremely delicate silk cloth using very fine thread

The Needle /Crowbar examples has the following explanation  I found on the net :
The average intellect is gross when compared with a truly silent mind; the comparison is very apt. Without becoming very subtle it is impossible to sink into the heart which is total silence, non-dual wholeness...

Another visitor, who said that he was from Sri Aurobindo’s Ashram, asked Bhagavan: “But we see pain in the world. A man is hungry. It is a physical reality. It is very real to him. Are we to call it a dream and remain unmoved by his pain?”

From the point of view of jnana or the reality, the pain you speak of is certainly a dream, as is the world of which the pain is an infinitesimal part. In the dream also you yourself feel hunger. You see others suffering hunger. You feed yourself and, moved by pity, feed the others that you find suffering from hunger. So long as the dream lasted, all those pains were quite as real as you now think the pain you see in the world to be. It was only when you woke up that you discovered that the pain in the dream was unreal. You might have eaten to the full and gone to sleep. You dream that you work hard and long in the hot sun all day, are tired and hungry and want to eat a lot. Then you get up and find your stomach is full and you have not stirred out of your bed. But all this is not to say that while you are in the dream you can act as if the pain you feel there is not real. The hunger in the dream has to be assuaged by the food in the dream. The fellow beings you found in the dream so hungry had to be provided with food in that dream. You can never mix up the two states, the dream and the waking state. Till you reach the state of jnana and thus wake out of this maya, you must do social service by relieving suffering whenever you see it. But even then you must do it, as we are told, without ahamkara, i.e., without the sense “I am the doer,” but feeling, “I am the Lord’s tool.” Similarly one must not be conceited, “I am helping a man below me. He needs help. I am in a position to help. I am superior and he inferior.” But you must help the man as a means of worshipping God in that man. All such service too is for the Self, not for anybody else.You are not helping anybody else, but only yourself.

Mr. T.P. Ramachandra Aiyar said in this connection, “There is the classic example of Abraham Lincoln, who helped a pig to get out of a ditch and in the process had himself and his clothes dirtied. When questioned why he took so much trouble, he replied, ‘I did it to put an end not so much to the pig’s trouble, as to my own pain in seeing the poor thing struggle to get out of the ditch’.”

live relay of Karthigai Deepam Celebrations at Sri Ramanasramam available in our website. Kindly visit the link

Date: 27.11.2012

Timings: 4.30 PM (IST) to 6.30 PM (IST)

General Discussion / Karthigai Deepam today - Its Significance
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:45:03 PM »
Thirukarthigai - Recipes - Why & How do we celebrate Karthigai Deepam
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Thirukarthigai/Karthigai Deepam comes on the tamil month Karthigai on Pournami day(Full moon day). Throughout the month lamps are lit in the front of the house in the evening . On the Thirukarthigai/Karthigai Deepam day the whole house is decorated with the oil lamps. Thiruvannamalai is famous for Thirukarthigai/Karthigai Deepam. This year, Thiru Karthigai falls on Tue 27th Nov 2012.

Story behind Karthigai
Once Brahma and Vishnu due to the ego started arguing with each other " who is the greatest". Both claimed to be the greatest, instead of doing their duty. At that time the God Shiva appeared in the form of fire and told them whoever finds the top or bottom of the fire is the greatest. Brahma took the form of Annam (a bird) and tried to find the top of the frle pillar. Vishnu took the form of Varaha( giant pig) and tried to see the bottom of the pillar. As the God has no limit in his size or power, both of them could not see either top or bottom of the fire. When their ego went down and they prayed the God, He appeared before them. The day in which the God appeared as a pillar of fire is Thirukarthigai/Karthigai Deepam.

Lord Shiva appeared as a hill (Arunachala Hill) at Tiruvannamalai in Tamil Nadu. Indeed, the very names `Tiruvannamalai' and `Arunachala' translate as `holy fire hill.' The Shivalinga in the temple here is the agni linga. The tiny lamps lit during the Karthigai festival (Karthigai Deepam) are believed to be the miniature replicas of the fire linga. Every year thousands of devotees from Chennai and elsewhere flock to Tiruvannamalai to see the spectacular Karthigai Deepam there.
This vradha indicates the non measurable infiniteness of the God and shows that the God is the light that will drive away our ignorance. Lamps are lit in the houses to pray His "Jyothi Swarupam".

First day of this festival is called as "Appakarthigai" and the second day is called as "vadai karthigai". All devotees will offer pori,adhirasam,vella Seedai, vetrilai pakku,fruits as neivedhyam for God Shiva.

In down South of Tamilnadu and in Kerala, Hindus will pray god for goodness of their brothers and they will light a elephant lamp(Gajalakshmi Vilaku) which marks as a sign of prosperity and wealth. The story behind lighting elephant lamp(Gajalakshmi Vilaku) is given below.

Why we light Elephant lamp on Karthigai ?

Once upon a time there lived a King and he had only one daughter. She loved an elephant which grew with her and she considered the elephant as her own brother. After her marriage she missed her brother elephant very much. So for every Thirukarthigai/Karthigai deepam occasion, she will light elephant lamp(Gajalakshmi vilaku) and she will prepare tender coconut, elephant leg size milagu Milagu Adai, Pori,Adhirasam,Vella Seedai and keep them as neivedhyam for this festival.

Karthigai Recipies

Dear Friends

Few years back I had this email correspondence with David Godman regarding the topic "How to find one's own Guru " after reading the book BE AS YOU ARE by David Godman .
Here is question and David's reply .Hope it helps others also in the same .
Om Peace

Dear David ,This is with regard to a doubt in your book BE AS YOU ARE- The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi   Pg.92

Q : How can I find my own Guru
    Bhagwan: By intense meditation
    Now my doubt is , what sort of meditation is implied  here?
    is it Meditation on the form of a deity like what Papaji did  or any other form of meditation .Can you elaborate this ?

This is what David Godman replied :

Papaji used to say that it is the desire for liberation or for God that brings one to a Guru, and he would cite his own case in support of this. He said that the sadhana one performs is actually a symptom or a side effect of this hunger for transcendence. If realisation happens, it is not because of a particular practice since that is just the symptom or the outer manifestion of a hunger for God or the Self. It is the unwavering desire for God or the Self that takes you to the goal, not the practice that this desire manifests as. I would also, with reference to your answer, that if the desire for the Self is strong and persistent enough, a Guru wil manifest.

          Best Wishes            David Godman

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