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General topics / Jnani is not omniscient?
« on: October 01, 2013, 02:53:36 AM »
From here:

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Saradamma: Some people think that jnanis are omniscient, that they have access to all the information in the world. The jnani doesn’t have all this information, or need it. If someone came up to me and said that Hyderabad is the capital of India, I might believe him if I didn’t already know that it is Delhi.

God (Ishvara) is omniscient, right?
Than why is Jnani, not?
Should he/she who is one with God not be like God?

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Dear Jyoti,

What you have said is quite true.Wish to add that if we are in Right Earnest,we will automatically be away from so called Fake ones.Even if we encounter one,we will go our way untouched.The Onus is on us.

Only problem is when you don't realize that your "Guru" is a fake.
I often read about people following someone they believe to be genuine for years before they find out the truth.
Better follow a death Guru who is genuine than running after someone who is alive but a fake.
True Guru does not die.

Would it not be enough if you (the disciple is) are not fake? No fakes can over turn you then. Is it not so? :)

I share a story:

The duty of a farmer’s daughter was to carry fresh milk to customers in various villages, one of whom was a priest. To reach his house, the milkmaid had to cross a good-sized stream. People crossed it by a sort of ferry raft, for a small fee.

One day the priest scolded the poor woman as she arrived late with the milk which the priest used it daily as “Offering” to God. ”What can I do?” she said, “I start out early from my house, but I have to wait a long time for the boatman to come.”

Then the priest said (pretending to be serious), “You know! People have even walked across the ocean by repeating the names of God, and you can’t cross this little river?” This milkmaid took him very seriously. From then on she brought the priest’s milk punctually every morning. He became curious about it and asked how she was never late anymore.

“I cross the river repeating the name of the Lord,” she replied, “just as you told me to do, without waiting for the ferry.” The priest didn’t believe her, and asked, “Can you show me, how you cross the river on foot once ?” So they went together to the water and the milkmaid began to walk over it. Looking back, the woman saw that the priest had started to follow her and was drowning in the water.

“Sir!” she cried, “Though you are uttering the name of God, yet all the while you are holding up your clothes from getting wet. That is not trusting in God completely!”

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I would say that it needs much sadhana to become a devotee of this quality.
And who would guide you if not a true Guru?
So better to follow a true Guru who has left his body than following a false one who you can share a handshake with.

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What you have said is quite true.Wish to add that if we are in Right Earnest,we will automatically be away from so called Fake ones.Even if we encounter one,we will go our way untouched.The Onus is on us.

Namaskar.
Only problem is when you don't realize that your "Guru" is a fake.
I often read about people following someone they believe to be genuine for years before they find out the truth.
Better follow a death Guru who is genuine than running after someone who is alive but a fake.
True Guru does not die.

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Dear Sir,

When we are not focussed on one particular Guru and his teachings that means our mind under the disguise of variety,  just takes relaxation under different people. 

Suppose we go to a doctor,  we need to continue treatment, see his prescription and follow the course, in between if I go to another doctor,  then i will not be benefitted at both places.

This I am not only telling but Sadhu Om tells in Path of Sri Ramana second part book.

In that he explains that some people just go to different Gurus rather than staying at one place and follow the teachings. Such people seem to taste different food items at different hotels, but actually if their stomach filled in first hotel they will not visit other hotels.  This is the gist he explains.

It is not fanatism,  but there is a thin border line.

We can occasionally go to different saints and read different books, but that should not become a habit to keep on just wandering.   One has to focus on Bhagavan Ramana Maharishee alone for some time.  This is because,  the mind will definitely try to escape under different excuses. The underlying objective of ego is not the attraction to another saint but a simple tricky plan in the name of diversion. 

Take any Guru, not that only Bhagavan Ramana but stick to him atleast for an year and see the result, against just here and there going to every saint and knocking at every door.

Ranjit Maharaj told the same thing.  After he met his Guru Siddha Rameshwar Maharaj he heard about Sri Ramana but there was no need he saw in going to another Guru.

Saradamma calls this Guru Shopping.  (Amma is a bit extreme in using phrases like this to push our faith to our own Guru)

We cannot imitate these personalities I have quoted here, but atleast we can try to spend maximum time in the company of Bhagavan and his teachings.

All forms are external , but until we cross our own ego-mind forms matter a lot.

Too much diversion is not good and not required.
At the same time, one need not artificially sit under Bhagavan when his mind is wavering, he can take a break and come back.

This is not to form spirtiual groups but success rate of liberation and past history of saints always show this secret -- one God, one Guru and fast success!
I would also like to add that with the mass of fake Gurus nowadays it is very easy to met the wrong persons.
That is why it is such a great, great luck to have knowledge of Bhagavan and His teachings - He did not abuse anyone, He did not care for wealth, He did not preach worship of a particular deity and He gave a path that can be followed by anyone.

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Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: September 02, 2013, 12:50:05 PM »

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Visa applications / Re: Changes to the Rules relating to tourist visas
« on: September 01, 2013, 11:48:11 AM »
What other kinds of visa than tourist visas can you get?
I read about a resident visa that would allow you to buy land near Arunachala, how can you get that?

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Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: September 01, 2013, 02:55:44 AM »

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Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Sattvic curry recipe for lentils or beens
« on: September 01, 2013, 02:49:56 AM »
Really,it looks so yummy. I am hungry now.  :D
Yes, I'm too.
Thank's atma!

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self enquiry is about investigating the self to see how it is that what you are DOING now started .
I may be wrong here, but to may limited knowledge Bhagavan said that inquiry of The Self is impossible since it is not an object.
We can only inquiry into the ego & it's source.
When you find it - you discover it does not exist.

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General Discussion / Re: Avadhuta Sri Chivatam Amma?
« on: September 01, 2013, 02:40:28 AM »
I read about her. The book I read is in Telugu. She is one of the famous Avadhuta's from Andhra Pradesh.

You can find her leela's and lifestory(in telugu) here

http://www.saibharadwaja.org/books/readbook.aspx?book=10
Regrettably I don't know any Telugu, but thank you for the information.  :)

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Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Sattvic curry recipe for lentils or beens
« on: August 31, 2013, 03:23:19 PM »
I have no hand for cooking.  :-[
When I eat lentils in an Indian restaurant they taste delicious - when I cook them at home they always become starchy.

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General Discussion / Avadhuta Sri Chivatam Amma?
« on: August 31, 2013, 06:11:29 AM »
I read about her here.
Does someone know her?

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I love to read about Nisgaradatte Maharaj and Papa Ramdas, I find them to be a great inspiration.

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Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: August 31, 2013, 05:25:37 AM »
@Jewell
Your pictures are most cute. Do you know the baby photos of Anne Geddes?
Here are some of them I found on web:










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Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: August 29, 2013, 10:22:29 PM »









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