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General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 10, 2008, 03:32:38 PM »
I did not refer Ramana devotees and disciples as Hindus or non Hindus.
but I did.

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 10, 2008, 03:17:08 PM »
but where does the urge come from to call all this "not hindu" ?

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 10, 2008, 02:42:41 PM »
an average asian theravada buddhist has never even heard about vipassana and practises loads of far worse and weird things than praying to buddha statues, but I don´t want to compare this with the the things practiced in the ramana ashram as I have never been there.

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 10, 2008, 12:57:35 PM »
The Brahmins in the Asram did Pooja because it was the custom amongst Hindus
they still do that today in the ashram as far as I can see on the ashram videos.

As I told you last evening, every pathfinder should have a basic platform of his own religion, to start with.
what about ppl without that "burden" ?

As regards, mahamudra, I never said that He would have objected to that
meditation if some Buddhists had come and practised it in the Old Hall.
despite I have no idea what would be the point of doing that, I doubt that this would be possible or tolerated today.

But the fact remains He was beyond Hinduism and any such religions,
which had, in course of time, contaminated the philosophy of Pure
Enquiry and Self Knowledge.
there are even large groups of osho "devoties" nowadays in india and nepal, that do "osho pujas"...

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 10, 2008, 05:14:04 AM »
@matthias :

actually it´s impossble for me to take anything like a position "against" oshos mixing up of all religions as I have been with him and love his teachings at least as much as I love ramanas teachings meanwhile.

it´s just my experience with vajrayanis, that all of their stuff is restricted to ppl, that have followed precisely all traditional steps.

the teachers I saw teaching such stuff without restrictions are westeners, that teach and mix up without any authorisation of the lamas and schools they learned their stuff from.

I beg to differ between buddhism in general and vajrayana, I never saw such restrictions in other schools, but my experiences are limited to mainly theravada, I have for example nearly no experience with zen.

I never heard of any restrictions in advaita, but there are others here, who sure know more about this than I do.

if u really wanna know about restrictions in vajrayana, this is a great place to ask, it´s the biggest buddhist forum, there are loads of guys, who are really in the known :

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 10, 2008, 04:39:18 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana was not a Hindu, at least after self realization.  He is beyond all religions.
Can u explain to me, why the brahmans in his ashram do pujas ?

even if Buddhists, (I am not sure whether anyone practising Mahamudra meditation came to Him.)
were allowed to follow their own path since it would have eventually led to them to the path of
pure wisdom.  The same is the case with Christians, Muslims, Parsis etc., etc.,

I see a big difference between being tolerant to other religions and practices and not telling
anybody to stop or change anything and declaring that mahamudra and advaita are the same.

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 09, 2008, 03:38:52 AM »
mantras/japa are/is open to everybody, but tibetan technics like mahamudra are very restricted.

they are restricted to students, who have taken buddhist refuge, who have a teacher/lama, who have done nondro and other practices, they require exact teachings, empowerments and lungs, actally mahamudra is even restricted to certain schools/lineages.

to mix up ramanas remarks about and his tolerance with japa with specific tibetan technics is more than weird.

ramana was a hindu and not a freak.

of course all ways and teachings lead to the same in the end, but only in the end.

of course high teachings describe the same results, but to mix up everything isn´t good for most ppl on the way.

you also wouldn´t mix up christian or sufi teachings with advaita.

and u will never find a tibetan lama, who will teach u mahamudra, cause u tell him, it´s the same like advaita.

especially the mentioned lama ole, who belongs to the kagyu sect and teaches mahamudra so, is very vehemently against mixing up different "religions".

despite I don´like him much for his exaggerated hate against muslims, in this point I have to agree with him.

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 06, 2008, 04:44:56 PM »
what has mahamudra to do with ramana and advaita ?

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