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General topics / Re: The Finger Pointing to the Moon:
« on: January 25, 2016, 10:07:14 AM »
We cannot get knowledge about the Self through thought unless we have already experienced the Self,
just like unless we have already experienced greenness through our sense of sight,  any words that
'Leaves are green' will be meaningless to us.  Hence, one cannot arrive at the truth through thinking,
though thoughts can point to the truth. Thinking can proceed only with words, and words stand only
as symbols for actual entities, and knowledge of entities is only through experience and not through words.

Words are only symbols for entities and their properties, just like a map of Delhi is for Delhi.  That is
why thinking cannot give us knowledge about the Self or Brahman.  Or in another words, mind which
subsists on thoughts, cannot understand Brahman. That is the assertion of Kena Upanishad quoted
in the beginning.


Arunachala Siva.   

Verse 142:

The sun creates the cloud,  and then cloud hides the sun;  so egotism takes the rise from the Atman
and then veils it.

Verse 143:

And as in the day, when the clouds hide the sun and it becomes dark, there comes a heavy cold wind and
makes it worse, so the fool who is covered with tamas, this scattering quality, rajas, becomes the cause of
various sufferings.

Verse 144:

With these two forces, rajas and tamas, comes bondage to the individual, deluded by which (thinking this
body to be the Self) the fool wanders.

The tree of samsara:

Verse 145:

Taking this world as a tree, the seed of this tree of the world is tamas.  The idea of the Self as the body
is the sprout of that tree; attachment is the twig; and the actions the water; the pranas (body) the trunk;
the different senses are the different branches; the objects of the senses are the flowers; pain is the fruit;
and the human soul is the bird that lives on this tree and eats the fruits of various sufferings from different
kinds of actions.


Arunachala Siva.         

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:43:25 AM »
Verse 41:

கண்டனர் கைக ளாரத்
   தொழுதனர் கலந்த காதல்
அண்டரும் ஏத்தி னார்கள்
   அன்பர்தம் பெருமை நோக்கி
விண்டரும் பொலிவு காட்டி
   விடையின்மேல் வருவார் தம்மைத்
தொண்டரும் மனைவி யாருந்
   தொழுதுடன் போற்றி நின்றார்.

They beheld Him and with folded hands adored Him;
The celestial beings too that witnessed the glory of the couple,
Hailed them in love; with his wife the devotee
Praised and adored Him who was enthroned on the Bull
In the splendorous expanse of ether.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:41:08 AM »
Verse  40:

அந்நிலை யவரைக் காணும்
   அதிசயங் கண்டா ரெல்லாம்
முன்னிலை நின்ற வேத
   முதல்வரைக் கண்டா ரில்லை
இந்நிலை இருந்த வண்ணம்
   என்னென மருண்டு நின்றார்
துன்னிய விசும்பி னூடு
   துணையுடன் விடைமேற் கண்டார்.

As in that wondrous state they eyed the couple,
They beheld not Him -- the Author of the Vedas --,
That stood erstwhile before them. ?What may this be??
They marveled and were struck with mystery.
Then they beheld Him and His Consort
In the sky expanse, on their Mount, the Bull.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:38:58 AM »
Verse 39:

வாவியின் மூழ்கி ஏறுங்
    கணவரும் மனைவி யாரும்
மேவிய மூப்பு நீங்கி
   விருப்புறும் இளமை பெற்றுத்
தேவரும் முனிவர் தாமுஞ்
   சிறப்பொடு பொழியுந் தெய்வப்
பூவின்மா மழையின் மீள
   மூழ்குவார் போன்று தோன்ற.

As the couple emerged after their immersion
And moved to the bank, lo, they stood transformed;
Gone was their old age; they looked lovely and young;
Celestial beings and munis rained on them the flowers
Of Karpaka and it looked as though they were having
A second immersion, this time, into flowers.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:36:49 AM »
Verse 38:

தண்டிரு தலையும் பற்றிப்
   புகுமவர் தம்மை நோக்கி
வெண்டிரு நீற்று முண்ட
   வேதியர் மாதைத் தீண்டிக்
கொண்டுடன் மூழ்கீ ரென்னக்
   கூடாமை பாரோர் கேட்கப்
பண்டுதஞ் செய்கை சொல்லி
   மூழ்கினார் பழுதி லாதார்.

When, holding the staff, they stepped into the tank,
The Brahmin -- the wearer of the white triple stripes
Of the holy ash, addressed him thus:
"Hold your wife by hand and do the immersion."
Then to the hearing of all, expressing his inability,
He, the one flawless, narrated all the past happenings
And then into the water immersed.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:34:05 AM »
Verse 37:

மனைவியார் தம்மைக் கொண்டு
    மறைச்சிவ யோகி யார்முன்
சினவிடைப் பாகர் மேவுந்
   திருப்புலீச் சுரத்து முன்னர்
நனைமலர்ச் சோலை வாவி
   நண்ணித்தம் உண்மை காப்பார்
புனைமணி வேணுத் தண்டின்
    இருதலை பிடித்துப் புக்கார்.

He took his wife with him: to take the oath
Before the Brahmin -- the Siva-yogi --, he came
To the tank girt with flowery and honey-laden garden
Fronting the temple  Tiru-p-Pulicchuram;
He and his wife, each holding the one end
Of a beauteous bamboo-staff descended into the tank.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:31:35 AM »
Verse  36:

அருந்தவத் தொண்டர் தாமும்
   அந்தணர் மொழியக் கேட்டுத்
திருந்திய மனைவி யாரைத்
    தீண்டாமை செப்ப மாட்டார்
பொருந்திய வகையான் மூழ்கித்
   தருகின்றேன் போது மென்று
பெருந்தவ முனிவ ரோடும்
   பெயர்ந்துதம் மனையைச் சார்ந்தார்.

When the great devotee of tapas heard the Brahmins
Pass thus the verdict, he would not disclose
His incapacity to touch his wife; he but said:
"I'll perform the immersion in a fitting manner."
He beseeched the great muni of tapas to go with him,
And then homeward plied his steps.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:29:16 AM »
Verse  35:

திருவுடை யந்த ணாளர்
   செப்புவார் திகழ்ந்த நீற்றின்
உருவுடை யிவர்தாம் வைத்த
   வோட்டினைக் கெடுத்தீ ரானால்
தருமிவர் குளத்தின் மூழ்கித்
    தருகவென் றுரைத்தா ராகில்
மருவிய மனைவி யோடு
   மூழ்குதல் வழக்கே யென்றார்.

The Brahmins announced their verdict thus:
"If you had truly lost the bowl of this person
Who glows with the stripes of the holy ash,
And if this giver thereof bids you take an immersion
You are bound to do it with your loving wife."

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:26:42 AM »
Verse 34:

நீணிதியாம் இதுவென்று
   நின்றவிவர் தருமோடு
பேணிநான் வைத்தவிடம்
   பெயர்ந்துகரந் ததுகாணேன்
பூணணிநூன் மணிமார்பீர்
   புகுந்தபரி சிதுவென்று
சேணிடையுந் தீங்கடையாத்
   திருத்தொண்டர் உரைசெய்தார்.

"O ye Brahmins whose chests are decked with
Sacred threads! He who is here gave to my keeping
A bowl, and said that its worth was immense;
I kept it guarded; I know not how it vanished.
It has happened thus." So spake the divine devotee
Who is not to be touched by evil, even distantly.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:23:53 AM »
Verse 33:

நறைகமழுஞ் சடைமுடியும்
   நாற்றோளும் முக்கண்ணும்
கறைமருவுந் திருமிடறுங்
   கரந்தருளி எழுந்தருளும்
மறையவனித் திறமொழிய
   மாமறையோர் உரைசெய்வார்
நிறையுடைய வேட்கோவர்
   நீர்மொழியும் புகுந்ததென.

Concealing His matted hair of natural fragrance,
His shoulders four, triple eyes and the blue hue
Of His throat, when He, the Brahmin, spake thus,
The great Brahmins said: "O potter of sterling qualities!
Narrate truly the happenings."

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:21:33 AM »
Verse 32:

அந்தணனாம் எந்தைபிரான்
   அருமறையோர் முன்பகர்வான்
இந்தவேட் கோவன்பால்
   யான்வைத்த பாத்திரத்தைத்
தந்தொழியான் கெடுத்தானேல்
   தன்மனைவி கைப்பற்றி
வந்துமூழ் கியுந்தாரான்
   வலிசெய்கின் றான்என்றார்.

Our Lord, the Brahmin (in disguise) preferred
His complaint before the great Brahmins thus:
"This potter would not return to me the bowl
I entrusted to him; had he truly lost it
He could hold his wife by hand, take a dip
In water and be done with it; he would not do it;
Obdurate is he." Thus He.

Arunachala Siva.


Muruganar says in Sri Guru Ramana Prasadam:

Versse 198:-

My natural duty, as I perceive, is to dwell without thought upon
those feet that abide in Holy Silence, flooding my consciousness
with bliss.  This is the state of liberation, the holy silence in which
the ego that thrives on the mind's confusion is rendered powerless
and disappears completely.

Verse 204:-

He caused a flower of light to unfold in the state of pure consciousness, so that the disastrous error
of a body-mind ego faded.  That radiance grew ever brighter with my love until I realized the flawless knowledge of the Self manifesting as the unbroken awareness I, I, within my heart.

Verse 213:-

Drawn by his magnetic charm I have sought shelter at the lotus feet of Sri Ramana whose teaching
is eternal, so that the murky twilight of the illusory world, created by the trickery of the senses,
has faded in the clear light of dawn like turmeric left out in the sun.*

(*  Turmeric loses its color when exposed to sunlight, and becomes

Arunachala Siva. 

Health issues / Re: Health issues
« on: January 24, 2016, 01:45:56 PM »
Dear Graham Boyd,

It occurred to me last night (not in dream).  Apart from your medication, you can follow the following:

1.  You can take the Vibhuti from Asramam, the Vibhuti applied to Sri Ramaneswara Maha Lingam
and then take it with water.

2.  You can apply the Vibhuti along with sandal paste on the skin above the rib which has been
affected by the cancer.

3. You can persuade Asramam authorities to give you one of the water pots used by Bhagavan and after
cleaning it, you can fill water and take it in tumbler along with the Vibhuti.

4. If Asramam authorities permit, you can sleep in front of Sri Ramaneswara Mahalingam at night
and after prayer and going around the Lingam say, eleven times every night, you can sleep there,
praying to Sri Ramaneswara Mahalingam saying Arunachala Siva, as many times as possible before
sleep overtakes you.   

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 24, 2016, 01:36:23 PM »
Today is Thai  Poosam, Makara month, Pushya Nakshatra day.  This day is important for Lord Muruga.
In all the six important abodes and in all Murugan temples, today is celebrated as a festival day.
After abhishekam, alankaram and arti, the Muruga is prayed to by all devotees.  This day is also
a celebration day for Muruga Temples in Malaysia, Singapore. and other places in which there are
Murugan temples.  In Delhi, there is one Uttara Swamimalai. Here too there is good alankaram and

In many temples, they give anna dana,  (food) for devotees who had come for the darshan.
In Pazhani, Panchamirtham is given after puja.

Arunachala Siva. 

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