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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:33:07 AM »
Verse  3:



புயல்காட்டுங் கூந்தல்சிறு
   புறங்காட்டப் புனமயிலின்
இயல்காட்டி இடைஒதுங்க
   இனங்காட்டும் உழத்தியர்கண்
முயல்காட்டும் மதிதோற்கும்
   முகங்காட்டக் கண்மூரிக்
கயல்காட்டுந் தடங்கள்பல
   கதிர்காட்டுந் தடம்பணைகள்.


On the napes of their necks cascade their tresses of hairs
Which are black like rain-clouds; their hips sway
And their soft mien is like that of the pea-fowl;
Thus throng thither the farm-wives whose visages
Excel the full moon whose beauty is marred by
The dark hare-like shape; in pools and ponds thither,
Sport strong carps which are like their eyes;
The vast fields of Kanjaroor are full of paddy sheaves.

Arunachala Siva.   

8777
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:31:18 AM »
Verse  2:



கண்ணீலக் கடைசியர்கள்
   கடுங்களையிற் பிழைத்தொதுங்கி
உண்ணீர்மைப் புணர்ச்சிக்கண்
    உறைத்துமலர்க் கண்சிவக்கும்
தண்ணீர்மென் கழுநீர்க்குத்
    தடஞ்சாலி தலைவணங்கும்
மண்ணீர்மை நலஞ்சிறந்த
   வளவயல்கள் உளஅயல்கள்.


Escaping the weeding done by farm-wives
Whose eyes are like lilies blue,
And well fed with rich water
The red lilies burgeon rubicund;
Before these soft water-blooms
The long sheaves of paddy bow their heads;
Such are the fields there, rich in soil and water.


Arunachala Siva.

8778
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:28:51 AM »
Manakkanjara Nayanar Story:


Verse  1:


மேலாறு செஞ்சடைமேல்
    வைத்தவர்தாம் விரும்பியது
நூலாறு நன்குணர்வோர்
    தாம்பாடும் நோன்மையது
கோலாறு தேன்பொழியக்
   கொழுங்கனியின் சாறொழுகும்
காலாறு வயற்கரும்பின்
   கமழ்சாறூர் கஞ்சாறூர்.



Down the branches flows honey (from bee-hives);
From fruits rich and ripe, ooze juice and runs a stream;
From fields flows the juice of sweet-canes and merges
With the river making it fragrant; such is Kanjaroor --
Where abides willingly the Lord who sports
On His crimson crest the celestial Ganga --,
Hailed for its renown by bards
Who have conned the true way from great texts.

Arunachala Siva.

8779
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:26:23 AM »
Verse  35:


தேனக்க கோதை மாதர்
    திருநெடுந் தாலி மாறிக்
கூனல்தண் பிறையி னார்க்குக்
    குங்குலி யங்கொண் டுய்த்த
பான்மைத்திண் கலய னாரைப்
   பணிந்தவர் அருளி னாலே
மானக்கஞ் சாறர் மிக்க
   வண்புகழ் வழுத்த லுற்றேன்.

He gave away the auspicious tali of her,
-- The wearer of honey-laden wreath --,
And secured Kungkuliya that his service
To the Lord who wears a curved crescent
Might suffer no break; he is Kalayanar
Of well-established character; I hail him,
And with his grace, I begin to hail
Manakkancharar of renowned munificence.   

Arunachala Siva.


8780
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:21:00 AM »
Verse 34:


கருப்புவில் லோனைக் கூற்றைக்
   காய்ந்தவர் கடவூர் மன்னி
விருப்புறும் அன்பு மேன்மேல்
   மிக்கெழும் வேட்கை கூர
ஒருப்படும் உள்ளத் தன்மை
   உண்மையால் தமக்கு நேர்ந்த
திருப்பணி பலவும் செய்து
    சிவபத நிழலில் சேர்ந்தார்.


கரும்பை வில்லாக உடைய மன்மதனையும் இயமனையும் ஒறுத்த பெருமான் எழுந்தருளியிருக்கும் திருக்கடவூரில் வாழ்ந்து வந்த கலயனார், மிக்கெழுகின்ற காதல் கூர்ந்திட ஒருமைப் பாடுற்ற நிலையில், தமக்குப் பொருந்துவதாய திருப்பணிகள் பலவுஞ் செய்து, சிவபெருமானின் திருவடி நீழலில் சேர்ந்தருளினார்.

(English rendering is not available)

Arunachala Siva.   



8781
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:18:56 AM »
Verse  33:


மாறிலா மகிழ்ச்சி பொங்க
   எதிர்கொண்டு மனையில் எய்தி
ஈறிலா அன்பின் மிக்கார்க்
   கின்னமு தேற்கும் ஆற்றால்
ஆறுநற் சுவைகள் ஓங்க
   அமைத்தவர் அருளே அன்றி
நாறுபூங் கொன்றை வேணி
    நம்பர்தம் அருளும் பெற்றார்.

In joy unique welling up in him, them he welcomed
And into his mansion divine, received.
He feasted them with food of six tastes
And received not only their grace divine, but that of
The Lord who wears fragrant and beauteous Konrai, also.   

Arunachala Siva.

8782
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:16:59 AM »
Verse  32:


சிலபகல் கழிந்த பின்பு
    திருக்கட வூரில் நண்ணி
நிலவுதம் பணியில் தங்கி
    நிகழுநாள் நிகரில் காழித்
தலைவராம் பிள்ளை யாரும்
    தாண்டகச் சதுர ராகும்
அலர்புகழ் அரசும் கூட
   அங்கெழுந் தருளக் கண்டு.



A few days passed and he left for Tiruk-k-Kadavur
And there was he poised in his abiding service hallowed;
Thither came the peerless Lord of Seerkazhi non-pareil
-- The Godly Son --, together with the wondrous Bard
Of Thandaka hymns ? Tirunavukkarasar
Of universal renown.   

Arunachala Siva.

8783
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:15:10 AM »
Verse  31:


என்றுமெய்த் தொண்டர் தம்மை
   ஏத்தியங் கெம்பி ரானுக்
கொன்றிய பணிகள் மற்றும்
   உள்ளன பலவும் செய்து
நின்றவெண் கவிகை மன்னன்
   நீங்கவும் நிகரில் அன்பர்
மன்றிடை யாடல் செய்யும்
   மலர்க்கழல் வாழ்த்தி வைகி.


Thus hailed the king the true servitor;
He rendered many a fitting service to the Lord
And then, he of the abiding white parasol
To his city fared forth; the peerless devotee
Hailed the ankleted flower-feet of the Lord
That dance in the Ambalam, and thither sojourned.

Arunachala Siva.   

8784
We are not following Bhagavan Ramana's path completely.  At the same time, Bhagavan Ramana
said that so far you are in a particular social cultural mode of times, you should follow the customs.
In the eclipse example, He only said that there is no problem for Him to eat during eclipse.  But at the
same time, He did not disapprove, rituals for forefathers and taking bath for some of the devotees,
during the eclipse.  He had told Jagadeeswara Sastri's son, not to have a long flowing hair but have 
a tuft of hair, since he was the son of J.Sastri and that too reading in a Vedapatasala.  At the same time,
when Muruganar wanted to do annual rituals for his mother, Bhagavan made fun of him saying:
Have you not left this even after coming to me?  When Sivaprakasam Pillai asked His permission to
have tonsure, He said:  "NO. You should have a tuft of hair. Do not leave the acharam."
(Those days even Saivite Pillais and Mudaliars had tuft of hair.)

1) For true seekers who are almost close to the Atma Jnana realization, He disapproved one by one
of these customs.

2) He also said in a Jnani's Presence these customs need not be pursued by the devotees. 

After reading Him and asking many devotees inside the Asramam, I have come to the above
conclusions.  As regards marriages, He approved marriage between a daughter and a son of
two devotees.The marriage was conducted even without seeing the horoscopes.
Because, a Jnani ever does the correct thing.  But at the same time, He also (though personally
against it) did not object to two separate rows for brahmins and non brahmins for lunch and dinner.
He used to sit diagonally at the midpoint and eat His dinner or lunch!

But we should also accept that the time has erased most of these old customs.  In today's house
hold with office going girls, where is the 'separation' for them during mensural cycle?  It is all gone.
Similarly marriages within the sub-castes are also conducted in a good measure among Hindus.

Post Script:-

When we went to T'malai recently, one of the days was Vaikunta Ekadasi.  My wife wanted to fast
full day.  She skipped lunch and dinner at the Asramam, on that day.  I told her:  Why all these
stupid habits in the Presence of the Power?  Today you have fasted. But where will you go for Parama Pada ?  Go and sit in the Samadhi Hall.  That is Parama Pada Vasal.

I am one who do not bother about Ekadasi or Sivaratri.  On those days, I will do more prayer
and meditation and that is all.

Bhagavan Ramana says when there is a pleasant (marutham) southern breeze, who will need
a hand-fan?  When you are near Ganga, who will cry for water due to thirst?  In Jnani's Presence,
all rules are suspended.

Arunachala Siva.     

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In April 1943, an elderly gentleman rushed forward from the back of the Hall, produced a pencil,
wrote a question on a piece of paper and handed over it to the Maharshi.  Bhagavan read it and
smiled broadly.  It was a question on Time and Space.

Bhagavan:  May I know who is putting this question - Space, yourself, or Time?

Visitor:  Of course, I.

Bhagavan:  Do you know that I?

Visitor: (after a little hesitation), Leave the I-question to the philosophers and answer my question. 

Voice:  What?  Is Time or Space dearer to you than your self?

Bhagavan:  (seeing the visitor nonplussed)  All these questions are superflous.  One thing you
must bear in mind is that no question can be solved without Self Knowledge.  On the realization
of the Self,everything becomes clear and all problems are solved.

(Bhagavan in some other contexts had said:  Time and Space are mental creations. For a Jnani who
has over come the mind, the concepts which are mental creations, have no meaning whatsoever. 
The vastness of Space and Time and through this vastness, understand the Creator.  There is no
other purpose than this.)

Arunachala Siva.   

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If "yawning" is to be taken to indicate boredom or sleep, I am told that Bhagavan Ramana was
never seen "yawning".  He was ever happy, ever satisfied, ever in limitless bliss.  Even anger, another
"mood", He showed very rarely in His entire life of 54 years in Arunachala. 

Arunachala Siva.

8787
General Discussion / Re: Maha Sivratri - 7th March 2016.
« on: March 07, 2016, 04:51:01 PM »
Dear Atmavichar100,

Nice to read about Sivaratri in the Asramam and how Sri Bhagavan kept silent by making devotees
to understand the mounam is an important feature of Siva Ratri.

Arunachala Siva.

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(The original of the Guru Ramana Vachana Mala is a Sanskrit rendering of selected verses from the Guru
Vachaka Kovai.  This is the English translation of that Sanskrit version.)

*

Introductory Verses:

1. Obeisance to the unique Being, the One Self in all, namely the serene and unfathomable Bhagavan
Ramana, who has no ego and possessiveness.

2. The compilation of the oral teachings of  Bhagavan Ramana, made by the saintly Muruganar, is here
rendered into Sanskrit.

3.  This work, named Paramartha Deepam, is the essence of Vedanta and is hence worthy to to be
studied many times over by the seekers of the State of Liberation.

Chapter I - DISCRIMINATION

1.  THE TRUTH ABOUT THE WORLD

4.  To become aware of the Real Self, since Hem is ever present within the Heart of everyone, would
be very easy if the notion that the body and the world are real should become utterly extinct.

5.  Oh man who, believing the world to be real, has been cheated of happiness, like the parrot that
expected to eat the ripe fruit of the silk cotton tree, what proof have you that the world really exists?

6.  If you think that this world is real because it appears, then conclude that the mirage water also
is real, because it also appears.  What material difference is there between the two?

7.  How can the world, which is diversified by space and time, mutable and transient, be real?
That alone is real, which is eternal, unchanging and beyond space and time.

8. All this appears whenever there is mental activity, that is, in the dream and waking states; not
only does it not appear in deep sleep, but it does not appear in the Transcendental State, where the
Self is alone, and the mind is at rest; therefore it is unreal.

9,  Revelation does describe creation in diverse ways (in different places); this must not be understood
literally;  the purpose of these passages is to indicate that which is the Source of the world and the individual
soul, not to enjoin a belief in he fact of creation. 

10. If the individual soul and the world be taken as real, then how can the Supreme Being be infinite
as He is declared to be by Revelation?  Unless His infiniteness be given up, how can this contention
that the soul and the world are real, be right?

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

8789
General Discussion / Maha Sivratri - 7th March 2016.
« on: March 07, 2016, 12:50:14 PM »
Today is Maha Sivaratri.  The day is celebrated in all Siva temples with abhishekam, alanakram, and prayers
to Siva Linga.  People bring curds, milk, oil, ghee, flowers, coconut water to the temple for abhishekam.

In Asramam they do elaborate abhishekam and alankaram and puja to Sri Ramaneswara Maha Linga.
Alankaram is done with flowers along with bhilva leaves, which are so dear to Siva.

After is the devotees go for food. Some devotees take up fasting through out the day.  And eat breakfast
only in the morning.  Some others take some fruits and milk and they eat some dosas or idlis at night   
time.

What is more important is keeping awake throughout the night and they chant Siva namas, etc.
They take breakfast only in the morning after bath and puja to Siva.

Arunachala Siva.

8790
General Discussion / Re: What is Neo Advaita? James Swartz.
« on: March 07, 2016, 11:18:55 AM »
The Neo Advaitic saying, 'No method, no path, no guru, no ego' seems to echo the 'not this, not this'
approach found in traditional Vedanta. Negate everything and the ever free Self is realized by default/
But here the apparent similarity ends.

Perhaps the best way to approach Neo Advaita is not so much by what it teaches as by what it does not.
Probably the most obvious omission from the standpoint of traditional Vedanta is the notion of Adhikara,
the qualifications necessary for enlightenment.  Neo Advaita is burdened with a democratic ethos,
the idea being that anyone fresh off the street, can gain instant enlightenment.  Traditional Vedanta
disagrees, insisting instead that a seeker be discriminating, dispassionate,calm of mind, and endowed
with a 'burning' desire for liberation along with secondary qualifications like devotion, faith, perseverance
and so on.  In other words, it requires a mature adult not under the spell of his or her likes and dislikes,
with a one pointed desire to know the truth.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.       

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