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General topics / Re: Siddha Siddhi - John Grimes:
« on: March 04, 2017, 11:29:01 AM »
There are a number of incidents where Bhagavan Ramana spoke of Siddhas coming to have His darshan in the form of animals.  He said about a golden hued mongoose, "It must be a Siddha Purusha who has come in this form."  (Friends of Animals - 2013).

He was asked: 'Is it true that Siddha Purushas come in various forms?', Bhagavan replied, 'Yes, it is true.' Another devotee asked, 'Arunagiri Yogi came in the form of a
mangoose.  Is it true?' Bhagavan replied, 'Yes, it is also true.'  (Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, 1.1.1946, Ch. 18, Leopards and Snakes.)

Can a siddha, a jnani, a perfect one perform siddhis? It is obvious that miraculous events do happen around a Jnani and on occasions happened around Sri Ramana.  The Maharshi said that a Jnani has no mind.  He does not make choices, does not act.
For such a one, who is to do what to whom?  Naught really exists but the Self.

Years ago, I met a Swami Sundaram who lived right across the tank from the Kapaleeswara Temple, Mylapore, he was known all over South India as Guruji and had a small ashram on the outskirts of Chennai.  He sweetly said,

'Siddhis are like the money you earn at your chosen profession.  You work, you earn,
you put the money in the wallet that is kept in your pocket.  When you need the money, you take it out and use it.   Then you put your wallet back in your pocket. There are people who earn miraculous powers through austerity (tapas); others by practicing samyama (the practice of dharana / concentration, dhyana / meditation,
and samadhi / absorption in one object); others by consuming certain drugs or herbs;
still others by mantra repetition; others by pranayama or breath control; and some come to possess them spontaneously. 

'A guru is like a postbox.  People come and and deposit letters in the postbox.  The
swamiji then acts like a postman and delivers the letters to their proper destination.
It is the divine that is truly the ultimate dispenser of all miracles, never the messenger.'


Arunachala Siva.                     

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:54:17 AM »
Verse  11:

வாடல் வெண்டலை மாலை யார்த்தும யங்கி ருள்ளெரி யேந்தி மாநடம்
ஆடன் மேயதென்னென்று ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானைக்
கோட னாக மரும்பு பைம்பொழிற் கொச்சை யாரிறை ஞான சம்பந்தன்
பாடல் பத்தும்வல்லார் பரலோகஞ் சேர்வாரே.

Questioning the reason for performing the great dance holding the fire in the night of dense darkness, having tied a garland of dried white skulls, the father in Amāttūr,
those who are able to recite all the ten verses of Jnana Sambandhan, the chief of the inhabitants of Kochai (Sirkazhi), which has fertile gardens in which the white glory Malabar lily puts foots bud like the hood of the cobra, will reach the superior Sivalokam.

Padigam on Tiru Amattur completed.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:49:48 AM »
Verse  10:

புத்தர் புன்சம ணாதர் பொய்ம்மொழி நூல்பி டித்தலர் தூற்ற நின்னடி
பத்தர் பேணநின்ற பரமாய பான்மையதென்
முத்தை வென்ற முறுவ லாளுமை பங்க னென்றிமை யோர்ப ரவிடும்
அத்தனே யரியாய் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The master whom the celestial beings who do not wink praise the Lord who has as a half Uma, whose teeth are superior in beauty to pearls! Rare god! The father in Amāttūr, when the Buddhists and low Jains who are ignorant persons to slander being firm in their works which contain false words. What is the nature of being superior to superior things for the devotees to esteem your feet?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:46:05 AM »
Verse  9:

செய்ய தாமரை மேலி ருந்தவ னோடு மாலடி தேட நீண்முடி
வெய்ய வாரழலாய் நிமிர்கின்ற வெற்றிமையென்
தைய லாளொடு பிச்சைக் கிச்சை தயங்கு தோலரை யார்த்த வேடங்கொண்
டைய மேற்றுகந்தார் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The father in Amāttūr!  You became great by receiving alms having a form in which you tied a shining skin in the waist, desiring begging alms with a young lady.
Brahma who was seated in a red lotus flower and Vishnu to go in search of your feet and tall head, what is the reason for your distinctive greatness in growing tall as a pillar of hot and unbearable fire?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:42:37 AM »
Verse  8:

நின்ற டர்த்திடு மைம்பு லன்னிலை யாத வண்ண நினைந்து ளத்திடை
வென்றடர்த் தொருபான் மடமாதை விரும்புதலென்
குன்றெ டுத்தநி சாச ரன்திரள் தோளி ருபது தானெ ரிதர
அன்றடர்த் துகந்தார் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The father in Amāttūr who became great by pressing down long ago to crush all the twenty round shoulders of the demon, who moves at night and who lifted the mountain! What is the idea for desiring a young lady on one half having pressed down subduing the five senses which persist in oppressing and which are unsteady in their nature?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:39:01 AM »
Verse 7:

மங்கை வாணுதன் மான்ம னத்திடை வாடி யூடம ணங்க மழ்சடைக்
கங்கையா ளிருந்த கருத்தாவ தென்னைகொலாம்
பங்க யமது வுண்டு வண்டிசை பாட மாமயி லாட விண்முழ
வங்கையா லதிர்க்கும் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The father in Amāttūr where the bees having drunk the honey in the lotus hum like music and the great peacocks dance, the clouds make a sound like the Muzhavu, by their hands the lady who has a bright forehead and looks like the deer to be sulky grieving in her mind, what is idea of Ganga to stay in the fragrant matted locks?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:34:31 AM »
Verse  6:

ஓதி யாரண மாயநுண் பொருள் அன்று நால்வர்முன் கேட்க நன்னெறி
நீதி யாலநீழல் உரைக்கின்ற நீர்மையதென்
சோதி யேசுட ரேசு ரும்பமர் கொன்றை யாய்திரு நின்றி யூருறை
ஆதியே யரனே ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The brilliant light, the sun, god who wears Koṉṟai on which there are bees!
The chief who dwells in Tiruṉṟiyūr, Haraṉ, and the father in Amāttūr!
When the four sages asked you about the subtle ideals having learnt the Vēdas,
in the distant past, in your presence, what is the affability for expounding the truth of good path sitting under the banyan tree, in the proper way?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:31:27 AM »
Verse  5:

தொண்டர் வந்து வணங்கி மாமலர் தூவி நின்கழ லேத்து வாரவர்
உண்டியால் வருந்த விரங்காத தென்னைகொலாம்
வண்ட லார்கழ னிக்க லந்தும லர்ந்த தாமரை மாதர் வாண்முகம்
அண்டவாணர் தொழும் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The father in Amāttūr where the celestial beings in heaven come and worship and where the blossomed lotus flowers growing close together in the fields where silt is deposited, resemble the bright faces of ladies! What is the reason for your not taking pity on your devotees who come to you and bow down their heads before you and praise your feet scattering flowers on them, when they suffer from hunger?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:28:02 AM »
Verse  4:

சேலின் நேரன கண்ணி வெண்ணகை மான்வி ழித்திரு மாதைப் பாகம்வைத்
தேல மாதவ நீமுயல்கின்ற வேடமிதென்
பாலி னேர் மொழி மங்கை மார்நட மாடி யின்னிசை பாட நீள்பதி
ஆலை சூழ்கழனி ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The father in Amāttūr which is a long city surrounded by fields where sugar-canes grow having placed the beautiful Uma, who has startled looks like those of the deer, white teeth and who has eyes resembling the fish, Karnatic carp. What is the form with which you try to perform great penance to be suited to that form?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:22:48 AM »
Verse  3:

நீண்ட வார்சடை தாழ நேரிழை பாட நீறுமெய் பூசி மாலயன்
மாண்ட வார்சுடலை நடமாடு மாண்பதுவென்
பூண்ட கேழன் மருப்ப ராவிரி கொன்றை வாள்வரி யாமை பூணென
ஆண்ட நாயகனே ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The chief who kept in use as ornaments, the shell of a tortoise, a tiger's skin, blossomed Koṉṟai flowers, cobras, hog's tusk all of which you have worn as an ornaments! The father in Amāttūr! The very long matted locks are hanging low.
Uma who has worn ornaments appropriate to her beauty was singing.
Smearing the sacred ash on your body what is the dignity in dancing in the long cremation ground where Vishnu and Brahma have died?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:19:05 AM »
Verse  2:

பரவி வானவர் தான வர்பல ருங்க லங்கிட வந்த கார்விடம்
வெருவ வுண்டுகந்த அருளென்கொல் விண்ணவனே
கரவின் மாமணி பொன்கொ ழித்திழி சந்து காரகி றந்து பம்பைநீர்
அருவி வந்தலைக்கும் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

O God! Bringing to the surface gold and big gems which are not hidden,
pushing sandal wood and black colored eagle wood, our father in Amāttūr where the streams of water of the river Pampai which flows there erodes both the banks!
What is the reason of your grace of becoming great by consuming the black poison which appeared to make the many celestial beings and demon perplexed who spread themselves in two rows, when they cried aloud out of fear?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« on: March 04, 2017, 08:15:03 AM »
Tiru Amattur:

Verse 1:

குன்ற வார்சிலை நாண ராவரி வாளி கூரெரி காற்றின் மும்மதில்
வென்றவா றெங்ஙனே விடையேறும் வேதியனே
தென்ற லார்மணி மாட மாளிகை சூளி கைக்கெதிர் நீண்ட பெண்ணைமேல்
அன்றில் வந்தணையும் ஆமாத்தூ ரம்மானே.

The Brahmin among gods who rides on a bull the father in Āmāttūr where in the palmyra tree which stands high opposite the open terrace of the mansions which have beautiful storeys which the balmy breeze from the South fills, the bird Aṉṟil joins it, returning to its nest. How did you gain victory over the three forts with the aid of the big fire and wind being at the tip of the arrow are being the arrow, the bow-string being the cobra Vāsuki and the Mēru being the long bow?

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Siddha Siddhi - John Grimes:
« on: March 03, 2017, 01:59:10 PM »
In the Halasya Mahima Siva says, 'Though there are eight great Siddhis, a bhakta never wasters a thought on them.'  Siva then says that he never grants boons.  If only the Self is Real, who is there to display what to whom?  In order to display Siddhis there must be others to recognize them.  Therefore, Siddhis are not worthy of even a thought; only Jnana, the Self is to be sought and gained.

The term Siddha also refers to a Mukta, a Sage, defined by Sri Ramana as one naturally, eternally abiding in Sahaja Samadhi. 

He said, 'The body is impermanent (not real). Whether it is at rest or moves about and whether by reason of Prarabdha it clings to him or falls off from him, the Self realized Siddha is not aware of it, even as a drunken man blinded by intoxication is unaware whether his cloth is on his body or not. (Day by Day with Bhagavan, 21.01.1946).

There are Siddhas and Siddhas.  Bhagavan many times spoke of the Siddhas who dwell, He said, in caves of Arunachala. Some must have been individuals who possessed Siddhis and employed them and others may or may not have possessed Siddhis.  He said, 'To this day Siddhas (with supernatural powers) dwell in the caves,
whether with physical bodies or not, and some are said to have seen them as lights
moving about the Hill at night. (At the Feet of Bhagavan, T.K. Sundaresa Iyer.)


Arunachala Siva.                   

41. Being, knowledge, and immortality are qualities natural to the self.  Death, insentience, and sorrow are the qualities prevalent in the world.

42. Therefore, I am Brahman alone. All this is unreal - thus reflects always the knower of Brahman.

43. I shall tell you about nidhidhyasana, the profound meditation on the subject and the traits of two fold renunciation.  The listening to 'you are Brahman' is sravana. The contemplation on 'I, indeed am' is  manana.

44. The renunciation of these is nididhyasana, involves the contemplation of homogeneity of one's inferiority is the renunciation of the heterogeneous.

45.  Forsaking all forms of renunciation, cast aside the fourth state too.  The essence
of just Brahman consciousness alone is said to be realization.

46.  Being is defined in the great aphoristic teachings. Likewise, 'I am Brahman' is defined as the teaching for experience.

47.  The import of the aphorism 'Prajnanam Brahma' is said to be for the purpose of practice.  The import of the aphorism 'Ayam Atma Brahma - The Self is Brahman's is said to be that of realization.

48.  'Ayam' is one word, 'atma' is another 'Brahma' makes it three.  The meaning for the word 'ayam' is the individual and that of 'atma' is Isvara, the supreme.

49.  And the meaning of the word Brahman is the undivided mode.  The merger of the three words is the one undivided essence.

50.  The self is itself the one undivided essence eternal, pure and liberated. Everything
emanates from that alone.  About this there is no question.


Arunachala Siva.             

General topics / Re: Siddha Siddhi - John Grimes:
« on: March 03, 2017, 11:00:35 AM »
When Sri Ramana was asked in a court suit with the Government above the ownership of the Hill (Arunachala), Bhagavan replied, 'Siva always remains in three forms: (1) as Parabrahman Rupa; (2) as Linga Rupa; (3) as Siddha Rupa.' (Talks 492).

In the Sri Arunachala Mahatmya, Siva says, 'Though in fact fiery, my lack-luster appearance as a Hill on this spot is an act of grace for the maintenance of the world. I also abide here as the Siddha.' (Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi). 

Bhagavan made this clear by stating when a devotee raised a doubt about the difference between a Siddha and a Jnani. He replied:

'The Gita questions were asked in a certain spirit.  The answers were according to it. People look to the body only and they want Siddhis also.  With Self Realization no powers can extend even into it, how can they extend beyond?  People anxious for Siddhis are not content with their idea of Jnana and so want Siddhis associated with it. They are likely to neglect the supreme happiness of Jnana and aspire for Siddhis. For this they are going through the by lanes instead of the royal path and so will likely lose their way.  In order to guide them aright and keep them on the royal road alone the Siddhis are said to accompany Jnana.  In fact Jnana comprises all, and a Jnani will not waste even a thought on them.  Let the people get Jnana and then seek Siddhis if they so desire.

I have said: sarira samsrayah siddhayah (the siddhis relate to the body), because their outlook is concerning the body.  A Jnani and Siddha are not different.  In varan
datum (to bestow boons) the boons include Atmalabha (the gain of the Self) also.  The siddhis are not merely of an inferior order but of the highest order.' 

(Talks No. 57).         


Arunachala Siva.

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