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General topics / Re: Bhagavan and Others of that State.
« on: May 25, 2008, 01:16:21 PM »
Dear Owen,  I shall try to find out Andrew Vernon's book.  But
as Bhagavan said:  What is the use of reading books endlessly,
when books are outside the Self, while the Self is within our
five sheaths.  Anyway, I am happy that the question whether to
call  Bhagavan Ramana as  -- " Bhagavan" is temporarily

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: "I-I"
« on: May 25, 2008, 01:06:14 PM »
Dear nonduel, I am not able to access  But I have
got his book "Be as you are" (1992 Penguin edition).  Unlike Aruthur
Osborne and others, dg does not use the word "I-I", many times, but
in his book, in page 58 says:... the seer, the seen and the seeing are
all manifestations of the same consciousness, namely "I-I".  Sri
Sadhu Om says that self-attention, will lead to dissolution of the " I
thought" in the Self. Further, the translation of famous Verse 2 of
Chapter 2 of Ramana Gita, (the verse composed by Bhagavan Himself)
gives two different versions in English.  Arthur Osborne says:
"In the inmost core, the Heart
Shines as Brahman alone,
As I-I, the Self-aware
Enter deep into the Heart
By search for Self, or diving deep,
With breadth under check,
Thus abide ever in Atman."

S. Sankaranarayanan, who has done English translation of Kapali
Sastri's Ramana Gita Bhashya says:

"In the Heart's cavity, the sole Brahman, as an ever persisting "I"
shines direct in the form of Self. Into the Heart, enter thyself, with
mind in search or in deeper plunge.  Or by restraint of life-movement,
be firmly poised in the Self."
Perhaps, the whole confusion arises due to English not having a direct word for Brahman or Self or Consciousness, like "thaan" in Tamil.
May be, writers could have used "i" and "I", but again the confusion
would have taken a different form!         

General Discussion / Re: Poonja & David Godman
« on: May 24, 2008, 05:37:15 PM »
To name a successor for Ramana, or for, to treat Ramanasramam
a guru-peetam and find lineage to it is blashphemy.  Ramana is
an "avatar".  Do Dakshinamurthy and Skanda, have successors?

General Discussion / Re: vasanas( Latenties)
« on: May 24, 2008, 05:32:02 PM »
Bhagavan says in Who am I? : both desires and aversions should
be abhorred.

General Discussion / Re: Introductions
« on: May 24, 2008, 05:28:40 PM »
Hey Mr. Paul, I read "Talks" a couple of times.  See the wonderful
interpretation of Bhagavan on Kamalalayam (Thiruvaroor), Chidambaram,
Kasi (Benares) and Tiruvannamalai.  To be born in Self, to see Self,
to die (our mind)  in Self and to contemplate Self - is Liberation!  Here
Kamalakayam - Heart;  Abhrasadasi - Seat of Consciousness.
(Talks No. 473)   

Dear Mr Graham, You know I am operating the Forum only
since a past few days.  I am not able to reach the link mentioned
in the letter.  Will you help such people, by placing it in the

Dear trikaranashudd,  You must be really elated about the dream.
Do not feel small about it and do not criticise us for praising your
fortune.  Bhagavan "thinks of" many people, "sees many people"
"touches many people" even today.  They are immensely blessed.
I had a more obscure dream a few days back.  I was standing with
Bhagavan (I could not neither see Him nor did He see me) on a
balcony or on a slope of hill, and He was showing me water over-
flowing and gushing forth in a river, and suddenly, all the water
drained out and I was seeing small jutting rocks.  I do not know
the meaning of this dream.  I interpreted in my "wisdom" that
I should remove the rocks underneath my mind, to enable the
water to run majestically. Arunachala-Siva.     

Dear joaocarlosleme,

You say when you are asleep, others are able to see the world and
they would tell you that the world existed.  If in your deep sleep, if
I, who is awake, tell you that the world exists, does it exist for you?
In other words, when you see me  in deep sleep, come near
me  and tell me that the world exists, does it exist for me? When
both of us are awake, the world exists for both of us.  When one
is in deep sleep, the world does not exist with reference to him.

Taking up a little more neuortic situation, when in a inter-galactic
war, our entire solar system is vanquished and all the human beings
in the world and perhaps in Mars/Venus/Jupiter die, will the world
exist for any of us?  Who is awake to tell the world exist? 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: samadhi
« on: May 24, 2008, 04:30:12 PM »
It is the body, wherein Self remained for 54 years and hence it
emits vibrations for the seeker.  One would know the vibrations,
if he sits in Matrubhuteswara Temple /Ramaneswara Mahalingam
Temple  for a while.  Why there, even the Old Hall, the Jubilee Hall
and Arunachala emits vibrations, for the seeker with a proper

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Practical Stuff
« on: May 24, 2008, 04:18:47 PM »
Do not feel that we have experienced the Oneself and then we
are all writing in this Forum.  If one has experienced the Oneself, one
will not be writing anything.  So, we are all sharing/exchanging
our views only to become the Oneself.  The peeling of onion example
struck me.  You are ignorant - remove the peel - You are wise -
remove the peel - You are a sinner - remove the peel - You are
merritful - remove the peel - Pre-14th April 1950 Ramana is your
Guru - remove the peel - Post -14th April 1950 Ramana is your Guru -
remove the peel.  But this peeling business is with a big onion as big as
this earth.  Hence Guru's Grace is essential.  When you remove all the
peels, in the physical plane, the onion odour will be on you hands.  Here
the Ramana-Self will be in your Heart.  That is the only difference.
Arunachal-Siva; Arunachala-Siva;Arunachala-Siva 

Let it be a tiger's skin or deer's skin.  Let them be dead animals
or killed animals.  Let them be for driving away insects/bugs or
controlling the ferocity of the mind.  What all these are for
Bhagavan?  He became the Self in Maduari house and then came
to Arunachala.  He never even liked leaves/flowers being plucked from
trees/plants. He allowed the insects/bees to have feast on his body
in Patala Lingam in the temple and again on the Hill.  All these
talks about dead or killed animals etc., are only for our "mental"

Dear Ramaniyer, do not stop Girivalam, going to Ramanasramam and
praying to Matrubhuteswara and Ramaneswara Mahalingam, going to
Arunachaleswara Temple and praying to Unnamulai Amman and Annamalai, do not stop reading Bhagavan's books, by him and on him.
A day will come definitely in our lives, when we shall cease to do all
these things, and bring Bhagavan, first by mediation and then by
retaining Him ever in our Heart.  That day, all vasanas will vanish,
all karmas will vanish, there is no death or rebirth and we shall
attain the Ramana-bhavam.  We shall both travel together in this
path and become the goal.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Who Am I ?
« on: May 24, 2008, 03:22:06 PM »
It is said in management, "do not take the home monkeys to the
organization.  Do not take the organization monkeys home."  What
Bhagavan tells is:  " Throw all the monkeys out including the tree
on which the monkeys are perched, the mind.  Here, further, it is not "throwing out" monkeys or tree, but "annihilating" them!

To add to what V.S. Krishanan said, Bhagavan tells in Sat-
Darsanam - Supplement 4 and 5, " Fever is overcome by the
cool light of the moon, want by the good wish-yielding tree, and sin
by the Holy Ganges.  Those three, fever, want and sin all flee at the
august sight of the precious sage.  Holy rivers and gods which are only water and idols, which are made of stone and clay, are not as mighty
as the sages are.  For while they make one pure in due course of
countless days, the sage's eyes by a mere glance, purify at once.
Kavyakanta Muni is reported to have said others:  "Do not directly
sit before Maharshi's glance, lest you might get rid of all 'vasanas'
and also the household!  (Ramana Leela) 

To my understanding, there is no direct discussion on "free will and
"binding will" in Upadesa Saram.  Bhagavan tells about disinterested
action, worship, meditation and eventually the "anya bhavam"
and "ananya bhavam".  If you still want an elaboration on karma,
destiny and free will, please read David Godman's book - Be as you are -
Chapter 21 (Ramanasramam Publication and Penguin Paperback)