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Dear friends, I am sorry I raised this point yesterday.  Bhagavan
nicely slapped me on my cheeks today.   When I was reading,
David Godman's 'Be as you are',  I came across this passage in
Part I,  Chapter 3, (page 40 of 1992 Penguin edition):

"The jnani weeps with the weeping, laughs with the laughing,
plays with the playful, sings with those who sing, keeping time
to the song.  What does he lose?  His presence, is like a pure,
transparent mirror.  It reflects the image exactly as it is. But
the jnani, who is only a mirror, is unaffected by actions. How
can a mirror, or the stand on which it is mounted, be affected
by the reflections?  Nothing affects them as they are mere

It is originally from Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, by Smt.
Suri Nagamma.

If similar answers have been given by Bhagavan on other
occasions, please elucidate to me.

Arunachala Siva.   

General Discussion / Bhagavan Ramana and other gurus
« on: May 28, 2008, 11:01:45 AM »
My dear ART, You have mentioned in the ground-ruless that
members should quote only gurus who are dead for 50 years.
I am of the humble view, that exception may be made in case
of Kanchi Chandrasekara Saraswati, who lived for 101 years
and shed his body about 15 years back.  Bhagavan and he had
mutual regard for each other.  Chandrasekara has said that
Bhagavan is an avatara of Kumarila Bhatta. Gurram Venkata
Subbramaiah quotes both in his book and mentions about a
dream in which both had appeared to him.

I think, during a dream, if you are conscious of dreaming and/or
are able to modify the dream, this happens in dream-consciousness
and not in wakeful-consciousness.  Recollecting the dream and
recollecting even tbat you had modified the dream, occurs in
wakeful consciousness.

Dear non-duel, Thanks for the clarification

Dear non-duel (or non-dual),  Thanks for your reply.  I am
not very sure.  Anyway, I shall check up  GVK.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Ramana Jnana Bodham
« on: May 27, 2008, 01:35:51 PM »
I had bought about 5 or 6 volumes of Ramana Jnana Bodham, by
Muruganar,  about 20 years back from Ramana Kendra, Madras,
(now Chennai).  I do not have these books now.  Whether someone
can tell me, whether these books have been reprinted either as
paperbacks or deluxe volumes, and if so, the price and the centre
from where I can buy these books.

Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi is the Absolute Truth.  HE IS.
Brahman just is and exhibits no emotions.  It is beyond good
and evil, pain and pleasure, joy and sorrow.  But when He was
in His body, Bhagavan has exhibited certain extreme emotions of
sorrowful tears and joyful tears.  When Mother Alagamma merged
in the Self, He is said to have to remarked, 'Let us go and eat.'  But,
He had shed profuse tears, when Echammal brought her destitute
grandson Ramana, and placed him on His laps!  Similarly, when He
was reading Arunachala Puranam (Tamil), and when the chapter,
where Sadananda, son of Sage Gautama, came to his father and
reported the arrival of Uma to their cottage in Arunachala Hill, came,
Bhagavan is reported to have shed joy-ful tears and stopped reading
and kept away the book!  I want my fellow-Forum members to give
their views on this.  I know only some half-answer, but that is later. 

Bhagavan Ramana is the Absolute Truth.  But,  He insisted on the
contextual truths to drive home the devotees to the Absolute Truth.
For example, when devotees were circumambulating the Old Hall,
He did not like it.  He said that the best way is to circumambulate the
Self within.  But when someone asked, why, He then circumambulated
the Hill, He had simply smiled.  Again, he is above caste and creed. But
food was served in Ashram, with two separate rows for 'brahmins'
and others.  In fact, some 'brahmins' did not take the second helping,
because the food had already been served to others!  Muruganar had
written a beautiful poem called 'Ucchishta Vaibhavam',  when he
was prevented from taking food in Bhagavan's plate, because the
food brought by Keerai Patti, had been served there.  Similarly,
he did not consent when someone came to Him, saying that he
wanted to take up sannyasa.  But when someone asked Him, why,
He then left the household to come to Arunachala,  He is said to
have remarked in Tamil :  'Oh, this is kicking me within!". 
I request the fellow-Forum members to send their view on this.     

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: "I-I"
« on: May 26, 2008, 11:58:12 AM »
Dear non-dual,  Bhagavan has said about "meditation" in his
several talks.  A brief summary has been given by David Godman,
in his book "Be as you are" in Part 4-Chapter 10.  A few
sentences are:

* The best meditation is that which continues in all the three
states.  It must be so intense that it does not give room even
to the thought " I am meditating."

*Mentally imagining oneself to be the supreme reality, which
shines as existence-consciousness-bliss, is meditation.  Fixing
the mind to the Self that so that the unreal seed of delusion
will die is enquiry. (vichara)

*For the beginner, meditation on a form is more easy and
agreeable.  Practice of it leads to self enquiry, which consists
in sifting the reality from unreality.

*Meditation differs according to the degree of advancement
of the seeker.

* Meditation is possible only if the ego is kept up.  There is the
ego and the object meditated upon.  The method is therefore
indirect, because the Self is only one.  Seeking the ego, that is
its source, the ego disappears.  What is left over is the Self.  This
the direct method.

* Meditation on forms or concrete objects, is said be 'dhyana',
whereas the enquiry into the Self is 'vichara' (enquiry) or
'nididhyasana' (uninterruped awareness of being).

*If you try to prevent sleep, it will mean thinking in meditation,
which must be avoided.  But if you slip into sleep while meditating,
the meditation will continue even during and after sleep.
Yet sleep being a thought, it must be got rid of, for the final natural
state has to be obtained in jagrat (the waking state) without the disturbing thought.

P.S. In spite of reading all these, I am still a beginner, meditating
with form and that  too not continuously.

General Discussion / Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
« on: May 25, 2008, 06:30:09 PM »
Deat caat, I read your original letter on Michael Langford and views
of others.  I went through the link and read the entire "quick-fixes".
But I did not read certain chapters which he says that one should
read 3 times etc., I read all of them only once.  I am not in judgement
whether he is realized or not.  But his writings are re-phrasing and
para-phrasing of Bhagavan's thoughts and books by Him and on Him.
Bhagavan is like Brahma Sutram.  There can be any number of
explanations/elaborations right from Sankara's to modern days.  I
am still in favour of reading Ramansramam's books of Bhagavan,
than any other thing, which can only be redrafts.   

Arunachala / Re: Universe Inside The Hill ?
« on: May 25, 2008, 03:21:47 PM »
Supernova etc., are viewed by Hubble telescope and the like.
Their explosions are registred in computers in NASA.  But
here one needs merger with Brahman, Which is All, to witness
the world and universe inside the Hill and the siddhas who travel
in astral plane.  Bhagavan used to walk slowly on the left side of
the road to give way to the siddhas who are approaching from
the opposite direction.  The antiquity of the Hill has now been
proved by the geologists.  But, where science stops, the realiization

Arunachala / Re: History of Arunachala
« on: May 25, 2008, 03:08:29 PM »
Dear vic, if you know Tamil, you may read Arunachala Puranam,
a book of Tamil poems (649 poems) by Saiva Ellappa Navalar,
with a prose translation by Shanmuga Arunachalam.  It has been
published by Ramanasramam.  The book deals with Shiva's marriage,
later misunderstanding (! ), Sakti's tapas, Her winning back Shiva's
left side (Concorporate Shiva-Sakti), the story of Vajarangatha Pandya,
and Vallala Maharaja (the King who protected Arunagirinatha.
The benefits of going round the Hill, the tanks and waters in the Hill
and Annamalai Venba have been given as appendices. 

General topics / Re: "Time and Space are within you"
« on: May 25, 2008, 02:13:38 PM »
Bhagavan said the same thing in the famous Screen-cinema show

General topics / Re: No cause and effect?
« on: May 25, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »
Cause and effect do not exist only for elevated souls.  For most
of us, the dyads exist.  These are continual, without any break and
not merely continuous like pig-iron rods connected with a 1 cm
gap in between in a railway line.  The cause brings effect and the
effect bring further cause. Promiscuity gave rise to AIDS, and AIDS
has given rise to medicines, and once these medicines become effective,
promiscuity will rise again and the effect would be a more dangerous
form of incurable disease!  These are called in Ramana Gita, Chapter
12, as Shiva-Sakti, operation and support, involment and withdrawal
etc.  Unity and Diversity are Matter and Energy.  I sometimes, think
Bhagavan had the jnana-maid within Himself and appeared as One
without a second.  But the One had within Him the second.     

General topics / Re: Bhagavan and Others of that State.
« on: May 25, 2008, 01:16:21 PM »
Dear Owen,  I shall try to find out Andrew Vernon's book.  But
as Bhagavan said:  What is the use of reading books endlessly,
when books are outside the Self, while the Self is within our
five sheaths.  Anyway, I am happy that the question whether to
call  Bhagavan Ramana as  -- " Bhagavan" is temporarily