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47911
Arunachala / Re: History of Arunachala
« on: May 25, 2008, 03:08:29 PM »
Dear vic, if you know Tamil, you may read Arunachala Puranam,
a book of Tamil poems (649 poems) by Saiva Ellappa Navalar,
with a prose translation by Shanmuga Arunachalam.  It has been
published by Ramanasramam.  The book deals with Shiva's marriage,
later misunderstanding (! ), Sakti's tapas, Her winning back Shiva's
left side (Concorporate Shiva-Sakti), the story of Vajarangatha Pandya,
and Vallala Maharaja (the King who protected Arunagirinatha.
The benefits of going round the Hill, the tanks and waters in the Hill
and Annamalai Venba have been given as appendices. 

47912
General topics / Re: "Time and Space are within you"
« on: May 25, 2008, 02:13:38 PM »
Bhagavan said the same thing in the famous Screen-cinema show
example.

47913
General topics / Re: No cause and effect?
« on: May 25, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »
Cause and effect do not exist only for elevated souls.  For most
of us, the dyads exist.  These are continual, without any break and
not merely continuous like pig-iron rods connected with a 1 cm
gap in between in a railway line.  The cause brings effect and the
effect bring further cause. Promiscuity gave rise to AIDS, and AIDS
has given rise to medicines, and once these medicines become effective,
promiscuity will rise again and the effect would be a more dangerous
form of incurable disease!  These are called in Ramana Gita, Chapter
12, as Shiva-Sakti, operation and support, involment and withdrawal
etc.  Unity and Diversity are Matter and Energy.  I sometimes, think
Bhagavan had the jnana-maid within Himself and appeared as One
without a second.  But the One had within Him the second.     

47914
General topics / Re: Bhagavan and Others of that State.
« on: May 25, 2008, 01:16:21 PM »
Dear Owen,  I shall try to find out Andrew Vernon's book.  But
as Bhagavan said:  What is the use of reading books endlessly,
when books are outside the Self, while the Self is within our
five sheaths.  Anyway, I am happy that the question whether to
call  Bhagavan Ramana as  -- " Bhagavan" is temporarily
ended.

47915
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: "I-I"
« on: May 25, 2008, 01:06:14 PM »
Dear nonduel, I am not able to access davidgodman.org.  But I have
got his book "Be as you are" (1992 Penguin edition).  Unlike Aruthur
Osborne and others, dg does not use the word "I-I", many times, but
in his book, in page 58 says:... the seer, the seen and the seeing are
all manifestations of the same consciousness, namely "I-I".  Sri
Sadhu Om says that self-attention, will lead to dissolution of the " I
thought" in the Self. Further, the translation of famous Verse 2 of
Chapter 2 of Ramana Gita, (the verse composed by Bhagavan Himself)
gives two different versions in English.  Arthur Osborne says:
"In the inmost core, the Heart
Shines as Brahman alone,
As I-I, the Self-aware
Enter deep into the Heart
By search for Self, or diving deep,
With breadth under check,
Thus abide ever in Atman."

S. Sankaranarayanan, who has done English translation of Kapali
Sastri's Ramana Gita Bhashya says:

"In the Heart's cavity, the sole Brahman, as an ever persisting "I"
shines direct in the form of Self. Into the Heart, enter thyself, with
mind in search or in deeper plunge.  Or by restraint of life-movement,
be firmly poised in the Self."
 
Perhaps, the whole confusion arises due to English not having a direct word for Brahman or Self or Consciousness, like "thaan" in Tamil.
May be, writers could have used "i" and "I", but again the confusion
would have taken a different form!         
 

47916
General Discussion / Re: Poonja & David Godman
« on: May 24, 2008, 05:37:15 PM »
To name a successor for Ramana, or for, to treat Ramanasramam
a guru-peetam and find lineage to it is blashphemy.  Ramana is
an "avatar".  Do Dakshinamurthy and Skanda, have successors?

47917
General Discussion / Re: vasanas( Latenties)
« on: May 24, 2008, 05:32:02 PM »
Bhagavan says in Who am I? : both desires and aversions should
be abhorred.

47918
General Discussion / Re: Introductions
« on: May 24, 2008, 05:28:40 PM »
Hey Mr. Paul, I read "Talks" a couple of times.  See the wonderful
interpretation of Bhagavan on Kamalalayam (Thiruvaroor), Chidambaram,
Kasi (Benares) and Tiruvannamalai.  To be born in Self, to see Self,
to die (our mind)  in Self and to contemplate Self - is Liberation!  Here
Kamalakayam - Heart;  Abhrasadasi - Seat of Consciousness.
(Talks No. 473)   

47919
Dear Mr Graham, You know I am operating the Forum only
since a past few days.  I am not able to reach the link mentioned
in the letter.  Will you help such people, by placing it in the
arunachala-ramana.org?

47920
Dear trikaranashudd,  You must be really elated about the dream.
Do not feel small about it and do not criticise us for praising your
fortune.  Bhagavan "thinks of" many people, "sees many people"
"touches many people" even today.  They are immensely blessed.
I had a more obscure dream a few days back.  I was standing with
Bhagavan (I could not neither see Him nor did He see me) on a
balcony or on a slope of hill, and He was showing me water over-
flowing and gushing forth in a river, and suddenly, all the water
drained out and I was seeing small jutting rocks.  I do not know
the meaning of this dream.  I interpreted in my "wisdom" that
I should remove the rocks underneath my mind, to enable the
water to run majestically. Arunachala-Siva.     

47921
Dear joaocarlosleme,

You say when you are asleep, others are able to see the world and
they would tell you that the world existed.  If in your deep sleep, if
I, who is awake, tell you that the world exists, does it exist for you?
In other words, when you see me  in deep sleep, come near
me  and tell me that the world exists, does it exist for me? When
both of us are awake, the world exists for both of us.  When one
is in deep sleep, the world does not exist with reference to him.

Taking up a little more neuortic situation, when in a inter-galactic
war, our entire solar system is vanquished and all the human beings
in the world and perhaps in Mars/Venus/Jupiter die, will the world
exist for any of us?  Who is awake to tell the world exist? 

47922
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: samadhi
« on: May 24, 2008, 04:30:12 PM »
It is the body, wherein Self remained for 54 years and hence it
emits vibrations for the seeker.  One would know the vibrations,
if he sits in Matrubhuteswara Temple /Ramaneswara Mahalingam
Temple  for a while.  Why there, even the Old Hall, the Jubilee Hall
and Arunachala emits vibrations, for the seeker with a proper
"wave-length".   

47923
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Practical Stuff
« on: May 24, 2008, 04:18:47 PM »
Do not feel that we have experienced the Oneself and then we
are all writing in this Forum.  If one has experienced the Oneself, one
will not be writing anything.  So, we are all sharing/exchanging
our views only to become the Oneself.  The peeling of onion example
struck me.  You are ignorant - remove the peel - You are wise -
remove the peel - You are a sinner - remove the peel - You are
merritful - remove the peel - Pre-14th April 1950 Ramana is your
Guru - remove the peel - Post -14th April 1950 Ramana is your Guru -
remove the peel.  But this peeling business is with a big onion as big as
this earth.  Hence Guru's Grace is essential.  When you remove all the
peels, in the physical plane, the onion odour will be on you hands.  Here
the Ramana-Self will be in your Heart.  That is the only difference.
Arunachal-Siva; Arunachala-Siva;Arunachala-Siva 

47924
Let it be a tiger's skin or deer's skin.  Let them be dead animals
or killed animals.  Let them be for driving away insects/bugs or
controlling the ferocity of the mind.  What all these are for
Bhagavan?  He became the Self in Maduari house and then came
to Arunachala.  He never even liked leaves/flowers being plucked from
trees/plants. He allowed the insects/bees to have feast on his body
in Patala Lingam in the temple and again on the Hill.  All these
talks about dead or killed animals etc., are only for our "mental"
satisfaction

47925
Dear Ramaniyer, do not stop Girivalam, going to Ramanasramam and
praying to Matrubhuteswara and Ramaneswara Mahalingam, going to
Arunachaleswara Temple and praying to Unnamulai Amman and Annamalai, do not stop reading Bhagavan's books, by him and on him.
A day will come definitely in our lives, when we shall cease to do all
these things, and bring Bhagavan, first by mediation and then by
retaining Him ever in our Heart.  That day, all vasanas will vanish,
all karmas will vanish, there is no death or rebirth and we shall
attain the Ramana-bhavam.  We shall both travel together in this
path and become the goal.