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'Upadesa Saahasri' is again a work by Sankara, which is partly
in prose and partly in poetry.    It starts with various steps that the
teacher would prescribe to the disciple, then speaks about negation
of all attributes, merging of the mind with the Witness, nature of
the Witness and the nature of dream and memory and concludes with
the description of the Maha Vakya:  Thou art That.    One sample:
"Even powerful beings like Brahma and Indra are objects of pity
to that knower of the Self, who has no fear about the world not is
afraid of death. He is a Knower of the Self, to whom the ideas of
'me' and 'mine' have become quite meaningless."  Bhagavan has
described the states of wakeful, dream and sleep states in the same
vein as Sankara, but there is no direct mention about this treatise,
in  'Talks' or 'Day by Day'.  Arunachala Siva.

Vedanta-sara is again a small advatic treatise by Sadananda, disciple of
Sankara.  Just any other advaitic book, it analyses step by step, the
nature of gross body, subtle body, mind, nescience and the states of
waking, dreaming and deep sleep states and finally talks about Self-
realization with the help of a Guru.  The characteristics of a Jivan-
Mukta is given at the end.  The book is 227 verses, said to be written
in 15th century.  It cross refers Upadesa-Sahasri of Sankara and
Naishkarmya Siddhi of Sureswara, another disciple of Sankara.  Verses
221-225 state: " He who does not, see anything in the waking state as
in sound sleep; who,though seeing duality does not really see it as he sees only the Absolute; who though engaged in work, is really inactive; he
and none other is the knower of the Self.  In his case, only good desires
persist, as do his habits of eating, moving etc., which existed before the dawn of knowledge.  Or, he may become indifferent to all good and evil. After realization, humiliy and other attributes, which are steps to knowledge, as also such virtues as non-injury etc., persist like so many
ornaments. Such qualities like non violence etc., come spontaneously to a man who has acquired Self-Knowledge."     

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: I don't know what to do anymore
« on: June 30, 2008, 11:35:42 AM »
Dear Matthew, adding to what Shivani has already covered,
Bhagavan has said going to work, for minimum worldly comforts, like  some money for simple vegetarian food, a shelter, clothes do not
come in the way of your pursuing Wisdom.  One need not go to
a lonely island or jungle to pursue Wisdom.  One can live in this
world among people and can still do that.  One should not direct noisy
his mind in unncessary worldly matters or in other people's jobs.
One can live anywhere, if he could control his mind.  Similarly,
one need not separately allot time for meditation.  Meditation can
be the underlying montone in your work-situation.  Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: fighting with ego
« on: June 30, 2008, 11:18:53 AM »
When ego (along with mind, intellect and mind stuff) dies,
one becomes the Self, Existence-Awareness-Bliss.
Arunachala Siva.

Dear nonduel, Thanks.  Arunachala Siva.

Maandukya Upanisad which comes in Atharvana Veda, comprises
only 12 verses. Gaudapada, guru of Sankara's guru, has written
a verse commentary on this, and it runs to 215 slokas, and is called,
Gaudapada Karika.   It speaks of Ajata Vada, "the theory of no creation-no cessation-no liberation". Many devotees of Bhagavan ascribe Him to ajata vada.  The Upanisad speaks of 'vichara' as the only sure way to merge in Self.  Sankara has written a commentary to the Upanisad and also to the Karika.  Perhaps no other Upanisad has given rise to so much
controversy as Maandukya Upanisad.  Dr. S. Radhakrishnan has said
that the philosophy of Gaudapada and Sankara are different from each
other and this point has been discussed in "Talks" No. 383 and 399. Day Day, entry  of 21.11.1945 (Night) also mentions about a discussion on
this.  Prof. Das Gupta, who wrote elaborately on Indian Philosphy said
that Gaudapada was a Buddhist and he borrowed the ideas from
Nagarjuna Karika and Lankavatara Sutra!  The Upanisad and Karika,
discusses the three states of waking, dream and deep sleep (each one
is given a symbolic Sanskrit name) and the state of 'turiya' or 'turiyateeta', the fourth.  Advaita Ashrama (of Sri Ramakrishna Math), Kolkata has brought a beautiful English translation of MU and Karika
by Swami Nikhilanada. The fourth chapter of Karika, tells about
'alata shanti', that is, quenching of the firebrand.  If one takes a firebrand and rotates it, one sees the 'circle of light' around it.  If the
firebrand is quenched, the circle also disappears.  Thus, all the world
is the 'circle' made out by the firebrand, that is, mind.  If the mind is
killed, the world also no longer appears.    Arunachala Siva.             

General Discussion / Non duel telling me that I am enlightening!!!
« on: June 29, 2008, 12:14:46 PM »
Dear Non-duel,  I am enlightening?  ha ha ha!  I am a mudpot
with some water on top, and I am reflecting the Sun, the son
of Siva, Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi, matchless after Sankara.
Anyway thanks for being nice to me.  I shall continue you write
some nonsense, till I become silent by my Guru's Grace.
Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: fighting with ego
« on: June 29, 2008, 11:39:27 AM »
Dear srkudai,  As non-duel said, Be the Witness and do not, as far
as possible, create, modify, improve or destroy the states.  Words
are there (all spoken words, books etc.,) and these have to be used to
get into the realm of Wordless Phenomenon.  As Upanishads say, words and deeds go and come back without knowing the Self or Brahman.  One
day, the state beyond words, that is Silence, will engulf us and this is
realization. Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: I don't know what to do anymore
« on: June 29, 2008, 11:29:57 AM »
Dear Matthew,  I will say that you ended up well with Ramana Maharshi.
Read His books.  To know what is happening at a distant place or to
know other people's mind or to know past, present and future, is
not enlightenment.  Bhagavan says that to stay in the Self is the
real wisdom-insight and not these three things.  Eat simple vegetarian food.  Being in West, do not resort to drugs for enlightenment.  These
will not confer enlightenment.  Be friendly and compassionate to poeple
but do not interfere with their lives or any other worldly matters.  If
you are distraught, ask for Bhagavan Ramana's Grace.  It is flowing
perennially but you should 'seek' it.   Bhagavan's cinema-screen
example is excellent.  Be a screen, a witness.  When the show is
over, only screen remains as a silvery brilliance and you will hear
a low monotone of Ramana which will be with you always.  There
is no need to go away from society or embrace ascetism or shirk your
regular work.  These things can go hand in hand with self-enquiry.
Ultimately the screen will remain for ever and you in the Self.
Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Guru Gita
« on: June 28, 2008, 01:16:59 PM »
Guru Gita, is a dialogue between Siva and Parvati, highlighting the
importance of meditation on Guru and the results from such a meditation.  The book is of 352 verses and there are versions with a difference in
number of verses.  The Divine Life Society of Swami Sivananda, has
come out with an English version and Sri Ramakrishna Math of
Chennai has come out with a Tamil version.  It is an excellent treatise
on Advaita.  Verse 92 says: "O Dear Parvati, Guru is Siva without
three eyes.  He is Hari with two hands.  He is again Brahma without
four faces."    Verse 125 says: " Thus meditating on the Guru, one
acquires real knowledge.  One should then strongly feel, ' By the
teachings of the Guru, I am liberated.'   Arunachala Siva.   

Arunachala / Re: Meditation on Mt. Arunachala
« on: June 28, 2008, 01:01:07 PM »
Dear Shivani, I have no second opinion.  While the whole universe
is doubtlessly God, everyone one needs a form and name outside,
for prayer and meditation, before one pitches on the formless
'Aham' inside.  Even here, a person needs a place and hence
Bhagavan suggested the Heart. eg., we have a home and a home-
altar.  That way, Arunachala is Siva Himself.  Bhagavan and so
many realized souls who were there in Tiruvannamalai in the past.
have vouchsafed it.  Arunachala Siva.

Ashrams / Re: How to Get to Tiruvanamalai
« on: June 28, 2008, 12:53:13 PM »
Dear Shivani and others,  People have given suggestions to
reach Tiruvnnamalai from Chennai airport.  In Tiruvannamalai,
I have given information about Ashram facilities and meditation,
against some one else's query.
Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,  Arunachala Akshara Manamalai was done by Bhagavan,
in Tamil.  Unlike Upadesa Undiyar (30 verses) or Ulladu Narpadu (40
verses), this has not been done in Sanskrit, either by Kavyakanta Muni or Bhagavan.   I doubt whether a Telugu  translation is available. Perhaps
someone might have done it recently.  I am not sure.
Arunachala Siva.

Arunachala / Re: Meditation on Mt. Arunachala
« on: June 27, 2008, 05:24:22 PM »
Dear Shivani, I am sorry I had given a poorer description of Himalayas.
The Himalayas contain abodes of Shiva, Uma and Vishnu and it is the
birthplace of Ganga.  But these are all temples of gods but Arunachala
is God Himself.  There are, it is said, 51 sakti-peetas and 107 vishnu
sthalas (108th is Vaikunta, where one can go after the death only) and 5 Siva sthalas representing 5 elements.  But these are all again houses of gods ony.  Arunachala is itself Siva with concorporate Sakti.  Arunachala Puranam gives the difference in detail.  Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Vichara Mani Mala and Bhagavan
« on: June 27, 2008, 05:12:29 PM »
Mahatma Nischaladas wrote the Hindi Vichara Sagara.  This was
translated into Tamil by name Vichara Sagaram by someone later.
When one Arunachala Mudaliar, told Bhagavan that this Tamil
version is too difficult to read, Bhagavan wrote a simpler extract
called Vichara Mani Mala.  Since the authorship was originally claimed
by Arunachala Mudaliar.  Since Bhagavan had no interest in authorship,
He left it at that.  The Tamil "Complete Works", upto 1997 edition,
did not contain this extract.  However, it is found in Arthur Osborne's
2002 edition, in Bhagavan's name.  Vichara Mani Mala, contains
a good dialogue between Guru and disciple, regarding relative truth
(vyavaharika satya; empirical truth) and personal truth (pratibhasika
satya) which are experienced in waking state and dream state. (srkudai,
please see this book).  Arunachala Siva.