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When I posted about "Ribhu Gita" on 15th instant, I mentioned
about three books on advaita, which Bhagavan, often referred to
and recommended.  On 16th instant, I posted about "Kailvalya
Navaneeta".  The third book is Yoga Vasishta.  The original "Bruhat
Yoga Vasishta" or "Yoga Vasishta Maha Ramayana" is of 32,000
Sanskrit couplets, attributed to Valmiki.  It is a dialogue between
Sage Vasishta and Rama, on advaita particularly on the purest
form of Ajata vada.  A Kashmiri Pandit, Abhinanda Bharati condensed
it into 6000 Sanskrit couplets and called it Laghu Yoga Vasishta. A
further condensation of this work was made long ago, by an unknown
author into about 230 couplets.  Bhagavan used to refer to Yoga
Vasishata frequently and has even incorporated 6 couplets from it in
His "Supplement to Forty Verses".  These are verses 21 to 27.   A
Tamil version and an English prose translation are available in
Ramansramam.  This information may be useful for fellow Forum-
members.  Members/devotees living in Europe and America can
inform any other transalations available in their countries.  Arunachala

After I posted  about "Kaivalya Navaneeta" on 16th instant,
"non duel" repied stating that this book is available in
North America, through Arunachala Ashrama.  This made
me to write about "Ribhu Gita", about which I originally
posted on 15th instant.  A beautiful free verse English
translation of Ribhu Gita, is available from Society of Abidance
in Truth, 1834 Ocean Street, Santa Ctuz, California 95060 USA.
Phone (831) 425-7287.  Arunachala Siva.

Kaivalya Navaneeta (The Cream of Emancipation) is an advaita
treatise, written in Tamil, about 500 years back, by one Tandavaraya
Swamigal, who hailed from Southern Tamilnadu.  The English
translation is available in Ramansramam.  It is one of many books
translated in German, during 19th century.  This book comprises
of 283 verses and has been recommended by Bhagavan to many
devotees and seekers.  I request my Fellow-Forum members to
find access to this great book and read.  Arunachala Siva.

Bhagavan Ramana, on many occasions recommended three books
on Advaita, to seekers and devotees.  These are:  Jnana Vasishta,
Ribhu Gita and Kaivalya Navaneetham.  Ribhu Gita is embedded in
"Siva Rahasyam", an epic, as advice from Shiva, to Skanda, who in
turn advised it to his disciples.  It is a dialogue between Ribhu and
Nidagha. The original Sanskrit poem has been translated by one Sri
Bhikshu Sastrigal, also known as Ulaganatha Swamigal, a 19th
century Saiva Siddhanta Jnani, into a beautiful Tamil poem of 1924
verses.  Once Bhagavan presented a copy of Tamil Ribhu Gita, to
Smt. Sampurnamma, for reading and when she wanted to be
excused on the ground that  she did  not understand a word of it,
Bhagavan persisted and asked her to read it all the same.  "It does
not matter that you do not understand," He said, "Still it will benefit
you."  Thus Smt. Sampurnamma's life, which had the full potential of
becoming one of sorrow and grief, was transformed in to an active and spiritualized way of life.  The English version, published by Society of
Abidance in Truth, California, is available for Rs 200.00 from Sri
Ramanasramam and a beautiful Tamil version, is also available
for Rs 100.00.  The Tamil version has been published by Sri
Ramanasramam, itself.  I have started reading the Tamil poems,
and it is very satisfying.  I request the fellow Forum-members, to
get the book and read and share their experiences.             

David Godman is informing in his website, that he is planning a
project of translating Muruganar's Tamil work, "Ramana Pada Malai"
a composition of of thousands of verses, describing the grace, love,
compassion and protection that is gained through Ramana's "Padam"
that is, His hallowed Feet.  The website contains a lot of information
and there are various comments about the work by those who have
read the Tamil original.  Bhagavan's Feet is sure to confer various
benefits to seekers who practice self-enquiry.  I request comments
from fellow Forum-members after reading this website and also from
those who have read the original Tamil work. The web address is:  Arunachala Siva.     

Dear "knowone",  Bhagavan Ramana, is an ocean of grace, love and
concern for all living beings.  On 14th April 1950, a couple of hours
before his Maha Niravana, from His bed, when He heard the cooing of
peococks, He asked the attendants:  "Have the peacocks been fed?"
Again, on the same evening, when one Telugu speaking devotee with sobbing and tears, asked : "Abhayam i.e.Protection, please" , He said
in Telugu: "Icchenu", meaning "I have given!"  Arunachala Siva.

Ashrams / Re: staying at ashrama forever
« on: June 12, 2008, 01:05:35 PM »
dear "aparnank", staying permanently within the Ashram is not
possible.  But you can be in the town and visit the ashram as
as possible everyday.  Regarding staying etc., I have given some
details to "knowone" through this Forum.  Please see the postings
and these may help you also. 

Ashrams / Re: SEVA
« on: June 12, 2008, 01:02:03 PM »
Dear knowone, as far as I know there is no Indian law, confiscating
property bought by foreigners, but there is a need to get prior
approval for any non-resident Indian to buy property in India.  This
is not difficult for any genuine NRI buyer.  But, since Tiruvannamalai
is attracting western seekers in large numbers, the property in
Tiruvannamalai is sought after very much.  This has given rise to a
good number of unreliable agents who dupe the foreign nationals.
Hence, one has to be very careful.  Please seek the advices of
Ramansramam, who can guide you, not through this Forum, but
through their separate e mail address:
With best wishes, Arunachala Siva.   

Ashrams / Re: SEVA
« on: June 12, 2008, 11:13:26 AM »
You can definitely stay in Tiruvannamalai, for a lifetime, if Ramana
Wills.  As an initial one time expenditure, you may have to buy a
small apartment, in Tiruvannamalai (You cannot stay for ever inside
the Ashram), for Rs 0.50 million (approx. US$ 12000.00).
2. You may have to get acclimitized to the tropic weather -
ranging between 35 to 45 degrees celsius.
3. You may have to get used to tropical South Indian rice food, hot
but tasty and water which is not sensitized. 
3. Clothing is your choice, but Indian cotton clothes are the best
suited, no suits, overcoats, woolen sweaters and shoes.

All these will happen to you, if there is Ramana's Will.  In fact,
I saw recently many many "foreigners" who are thoroughly
enjoying the stay in that divine place.  The touring westerners and
staying westerners are increasing in numbers every day.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Brutal lies
« on: June 12, 2008, 10:57:23 AM »
I think semantics have sprouted in my case, only after I
started posting in the Forum.  Earlier I was reading only
Bhagavan Ramana.  These writings were not there.  In fact,
everytime I write something, I used to ask Bhagavan, "Is it
not my ego's mischief?"  Only thing I want to clarify is that
the breathing is essential whether one says that is is the act
of the mind or not.  While eating, clothing or sleeping can be
posponed or avoided, breathing cannot be postponed or
avoided.  Bhagavan says in Who am I? : "In sleep, breathing
takes place due to God's will, so that the onlookers may not
doubt that the man is dead."   Arunachala Siva.         

General topics / Bhagavan, Manickavachagar and Thiruvachakam
« on: June 11, 2008, 06:09:38 PM »
Manickavachagar is a great Saivite saint, who wrote two groups of
poems called Thiruvachakam and Thirukkovaiyar.  The first one is
again a collection of 51 subgroups of poems, about his life and his
Siva-experience.  Bhagavan liked this work very much and it was one
His faourite works.  He used to refer to this often in His talks and
conversations.  Bhagavan has said that Thiruvachakam has to be
experienced and one should not try to understand this thorugh
intellectual knowledge.  I am reading Thiruvachakam since 1990.
I had a practice of reading one sub-group per day. I went through
David Godman's website today and was
delighted to find an extensive article on the above topic, narrating
Bhagavan's various talks which covered Thiruvachakam.  Muruganar's
Ramana Sannidhi Murai and Guruvachaka Kovai, are patterned on
the above two groups of poems by Manickavachakar.  David has also
given a translation of Siva Puranam, the first poem of Thiruvchakam,
after the translation of Ramana Puranam of Muruganar.  I want this
website to be seen by the members and also their reaction on
Thiruvchakam, if some of them had read this book of divine poetry.
Arunachala Siva.       

Dear non-duel,  In the same context, I suggest you read
"Day by Day with Bhagavan" by Mr. Devaraja Mudaliar,
which covers another 3 to 4 years of His life and teachings.
Summing up,  Bhagavan says:

1.  "I" is more potent than even "OM" the Hindu Pravana
Mantra, which is the primordial mantra for invoking the
gods and Brahman.  It is the same as what Abraham tells
in the Bible.

2.  The jiva (individual), gods and the world are mere
imaginations.  All are  forms of Siva or Brahman.  Brahman stays in
the Heart and is indicated by "I".  It remains there during
wakeful, dream and sleep states.  When one dies, the mind
takes 'prana'  (breath) with it and leaves for another birth,
hell or heaven. The mind carries the 'vasanas' (latencies) of
the birth.  When mind is annihilated, one is Brahman. 

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Brutal lies
« on: June 10, 2008, 04:06:43 PM »
In 'Who am I?', Bhagavan says:  "Desirelessness is wisdom.  The two
are different.  They are the same.  Desirelessness is refraining from
turning the mind towards any object.  Wisdom means the appearance
of no object.  In other words, not seeking what is other than the Self
is detachment or desirelessness.  Not leaving the Self is wisdom."
By the words, "not seeking what is other than the Self",  Bhagavan
implies "seeking only the Self.".    But " seeking the Self " is not a desire, but shedding of the undesirables. But for this process, one should
have some essential desires.  Bhagavan did not eat for more than
20 days in Patala Lingam Cave.  He, while in His body, was wearing
only a cod-piece.  He never wore sandals in His life.  But, He did not
disapprove food, clothes and sandals for the seekers.  Even these
desires might go, when you "Be the self' because desirelessness is
wisdom.  When once one knows the Truth, every other thing is a lie.
Till such time, there will be lies, brutal lies et al.  Arunachala Siva.     

Dear non-duel, I agree with you.  What Sri Atmananda Menon
called as 'dreaming in waking' state, is the 'sleepless sleep' of
Bhagavan Ramana.  In Upadesa Saram, Bhagavan mentioned all
the four paths of karma, bhakti, yoga and jnana.  I believe they
are all inter-woven. desireless karma, bhakti to the Heart within,
yoga of simply watching the breath, and jnana of staying in the
Absolute are inseparably coexistent in a jnani.  Bhagavan did
kichen chores by waking up at 2.30 AM, made a nice stick for the
shepherd on the Hill, read books on bhakti and showed infinite
compassion even towards the lowly, and ever stayed in Self.
I have not read Sadhu Om, but I am reading a little bit of classical
Tamil poems of Muruganar.  I want to buy Sri Sadhu Om's books. 
Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: REALITY
« on: June 09, 2008, 05:46:19 PM »
Dear mick, I can never question your belief. Bhagavan Ramana
is a different person, when He was in body.  He never wore sandals
in His life.  He never wore ochre robes.  All His readings and writings
were after He realized.  It is like someone suddenly appearing on the
top of a hill and then descending to the foothill to tell others His
experience atop the hill.  We are all on the foothills, trying various
ways, various books, various Gurus, transcedental meditation and
other types, shifting from one way to another and so on.  Eventually,
if the goal is achieved, the ways are forgotten.  Is it not? 
Arunachala Siva.