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Gurv-ashtakam, as the name implies, is the eight-verse composition
of Sankara in praise of the Guru.  It describes the greatness of  the Guru's in nice words.

A sample,

Verse 1, "Though your body be comely and ever remain in perfect
health, Though your name be unsullied and mountain-high you
hoarded gold, Yet if the mind be not absorbed in the Guru's
lotus feet, What will it all avail you?  What indeed, will it all avail?"

Verse 2, "Though the lore of the Vedas take up its dwelling on
your tongue, Though be learned in scriptures, gifted in writing
prose and verse, Yet if the mind be not absorbed in the Guru's
lotus feet, What will it all avail you?  What indeed will it all avail?"

Verse 8, "Though if you be ready to dwell in the forest as at home,
No more attached to work, untrammelled by an ugly form,
Yet if the mind be not absorbed in the Guru's lotus feet,
What will it all avail you? What indeed, will it all avail?"

The verses remind us of Murugnar's RAMANA PADA MALAI.  We
also think about Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni, Maharajah of Mysore
and Sankarananda Bharati, who came to Bhagavan with various
feats to their credit but could not absorb in the Self, till they reach the feet of Bhagavan.

Arunachala Siva.   

Siva-aparaadha-kshmapana-Stotram, is a 16-verse composition
of Sankara, seeking Siva's grace for forgiving his (!) transgressions.
In certain places, it is like Bhagavan's Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai.
A sample,

" I have not sat in lotus posture, nor have I controlled
The Prana along the Sushmana, repeating the syllable Om,
Never have I suppressed the turbulent waves of my mind,
Nor merged in the self effulgent Om,
In the ever shining Witness-Consciousness, whose nature
Is that of the highest Brahman;
Nor have I in samadhi, meditated on Sankara
Dwelling in every form as the Inner Guide,
Therefore O Siva, O Mahadeva, O Sambhu,
Forgive me, I pray, for my transgressions."

"O Siva! forgive all the sins that I have committed,
With hands, or feet, with ears or eyes,
With words or body, with mind or heart,
Forgive my sins, those past and those that are yet to come,
Victory unto Siva, the Ocean of Compassion,
The Great God, the Abode of Blessedness!"

Arunachala Siva.

This is a 12 verse composition by Sankara, which describes the steps
for renunciation and gives a cudgel for delusion.  A sample,

"Who is your wife?  And who is your child?
Strange indeed is this mortal world,
Who are you?  And who is you own?
Where is the region whence you come?
Brother ponder on these things."

"Cherish your guru's lotus feet
And free yourself without delay
From the enslavement of this world
Curb you senses and your mind
And see the Lord within your heart!"

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Avadhuta Gita
« on: July 19, 2008, 11:52:04 AM »
Avadhuta Gita, whose author is unknown, is an experiential
poetic description of Avadhuta on the Self.  It is of 270 verses.
The English translation is available from Ramakrishna Math,
written by Swami Ashokananda, who was in charge of Vedanta
Society of Northern California from 1932.  A sample,

" You are not born nor do you die.  At no time, do you have a body.
The Scriptures declare in many different ways the well known dictum
"All is Brahman."

"Sages say that Reality is one only and the same. And through
renunciation of attachment, the mind, which is one and many,
ceases to exist."

"In the Guru, you should not even consider the quality of
schloarship.  A worthy person should recognize only the essence.
Does not a boat made of old wood, though devoid of beauty and
a nice vermillon paint, nevertheless, ferry the passengers?"

Arunachala Siva.       

General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 19, 2008, 11:32:02 AM »
Dear nonduel, Thinking about Bhagavan's frame and repeating His
name was never discouraged by Bhagavan.  But He has said that
the Brahman is beyond forms and names.  But many of us have to
start only from a name-form worship or contemplation to reach the
formless worship or contemplation or meditation.  Hence this
allowance.  But I still maintain the stand that the Guru need not
be in a physical body nor he should be a human being.  One can
"see" the Brahman as much as in a hill and in a bird.  I propose
write to David Godman about Sri Lakshmanaswami's saying that
the Guru should be in a living body.  When I get a reply, I shall
post it.   Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: GURU POORNIMA
« on: July 19, 2008, 11:24:46 AM »
My dear Paul, thank you for your observation that I bring life
to the Forum.  Only Bhagavan has give us this life for all of us,
so that we are fortunate to meditate, write and exchange views
on Him in the common Forum.  I am also one of the persons who
view the Arunahcala Hill through the webcam, at least twice a
day.  This is the way to contemplate on the Hill from afar and it
is by His grace, we can merge in the Self.
Arunachala Siva.   

Arunachala / Re: Sishya
« on: July 19, 2008, 11:20:29 AM »
My dear Subra1905, as you correctly said that Bhagavan Ramana
Maharshi was nobody's sishya.  His Guru, if at all one can view this
way, is the Arunachala Siva.  Seshadri Swami, of course, along with
some others, helped Him by bringing Him out of the Patala Linga cave shrine and thus showed Him to the world at large.  There are several
misinformations like this.  One biographer (fortunately that biography
never came out) had said that Bhagavan was working as a railway
clerk and was married already before He came to Arunachala!
Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 18, 2008, 05:52:18 PM »
Dear nonduel,  on Avadhuta Gita.  I mentioned about Avadhuta having
several gurus (24 beings) which included a bird.  This story is not
available in Avadhuta Gita. I am sorry.  Avadhuta or Dattatreya is
the son of Sage Atri and Anasuya.  He had 24 gurus and a vulture was
one of his gurus.  He saw a vulure flying with a piece of meat on its
beak, and several vultures chased it to grab the meat.  The bird
decided to drop it and lo and behlold,  after dropping the meat,
all other birds left it.  Avadhuta learned that once you leave your
possesions, nobody will come near you.  Thus he held the bird as
his guru!  The story appears in Markendaya Purana.  There are also
books narrating Dattatreya Charitra.  About Avadhuta Gita per se,
which is a pure advaita text, without stories, I shall write separately.

Arunachala Siva.   

General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 18, 2008, 04:49:25 PM »
Dear nonduel, your two posts.  Scriptures mention three types of
'dikshas' that is,  Sparsa diksha, Sakshu diksha, Mano-diksha
or Bhavana diksha.  The first is by touch, like hen touching the egg
for hatching.  The second is by look, like fish looking at the eggs.  The
third is by thinking, like tortoise thinking about the eggs on the shore.
Bhagavan used sparsa diksha very rarely.  He used looking more
often.  Kayvya kanta Muni has said:  "Do not sit directly before the
Bhagavan!  If He looks at you, the hrudaya kranthi (the knots) gets
snapped immediately and you will not go back to your family!"  In 108
holy names on Bhagavan, there are names Pullambuja Vilochanaya Namah,
that is one who looks at others with eyes like red lotuses.  Again,
Uttheepata Nayanaya Namah, one who has got a look like piercing
arrow!  Bhagavan used mano diksha or bhavana diksha very rarely.
(Do not ask how can He think?).  The first two were used when He
was in body.  The third one, He uses even today.  But the third one is
a two way process.  If one thinks of Him, He will think of him.  If one
has conviction (Bhavana), He will have the bhavana on him.  Hence
there is no need for Bhagavan (or any Guru) to be in body.  His
Presence (Sannidhya) will do but this requires our thinking and
conviction.  The only test is whether you get peace. 

Avdhuta Gita, the English translation of Ramakrishna Math is
excellent.  For that matter, all advaita books of Ramakrishna Math
are quite good. 

I have not read "No mind, I am the Self."  Hence I cannot write about
Sri Lakshmanaswami's book.

Arunachala Siva.       

Nirvana Shatkam, Six Verses on Liberation, is a brief poem by
Sankara, describing the state of liberation and liberated soul.
When one reads this, one cannot but think about Bhagavan
Ramana Maharshi's state, when He was in body.  The poem
is what Bhagavan lived for 54 years in Tiruvannamalai.  You
can observe the same vein in Who am I? of Bhagavan, when
He told this to Sivaprakasam Pillai, in 1902, when He was only
22.  A sample,

Om, I am neither the mind, intelligence, ego nor chitta*
Neither the ears nor the tongue, nor the senses of smell and sight,
Neither ether nor air nor fire nor water nor earth,
I am the Eternal Bliss and Awareness,
I am Siva, I am Siva!

I am neither the prana nor the five vital breaths,
Neither the seven elements of the body, nor its five sheaths,
Nor hands nor feet nor tongue nor other organs of action,
I am the Eternal Bliss and Awareness,
I am Siva, I am Siva.

All the five pranas, five cognitive organs, five conative organs,
seven humours, mind, intellect, buddhi and chitta*, ajnana**
have been detailed by Bhagavan in Who am I?  See Arthur
Osborne's translation.

* chitta, is the seat of memory
** ajnana is the state which we experience in sleep, with
only nescience or vasanas.   

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: HOW TO KILL THE MIND
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:43:29 AM »
Dear Sankar, What is it that mind does?  It produces the thoughts,
limitless thoughts.  If you cease to think, that is, when thoughts
are annihilated, the mind is killed.  Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Dear Sankar, It is the One, which shines within, when you
cease ask all questions including, What is it?  It is beyond words
and cannot be had by mere questioning.  The only question
Bhagavan recommended is:  Who am I?  Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: KEY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:39:26 AM »
Dear Sankar, You are quite correct.  Removing all other thoughts,
Bhagavan says, will take you to the Heart, the Self.  Of course,
that is the most difficult one for anybody and Bhagavan's Grace
is necessary and essential.  Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: GURU POORNIMA
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:36:43 AM »
Thank you Sankar.  We are thinking about  the Hill from afar and it is
the Power beyond words.  Arunachala Mahatmiyam says that the
Hill will confer liberation even to those, who think of It from afar.
Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai, I agree with you. When the film is over, the
Screen alone remains.  There is no film, no 'seen', only the
'seer', the Screen.  Arunachala Siva.