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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: fighting with ego
« on: June 29, 2008, 11:39:27 AM »
Dear srkudai,  As non-duel said, Be the Witness and do not, as far
as possible, create, modify, improve or destroy the states.  Words
are there (all spoken words, books etc.,) and these have to be used to
get into the realm of Wordless Phenomenon.  As Upanishads say, words and deeds go and come back without knowing the Self or Brahman.  One
day, the state beyond words, that is Silence, will engulf us and this is
realization. Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: I don't know what to do anymore
« on: June 29, 2008, 11:29:57 AM »
Dear Matthew,  I will say that you ended up well with Ramana Maharshi.
Read His books.  To know what is happening at a distant place or to
know other people's mind or to know past, present and future, is
not enlightenment.  Bhagavan says that to stay in the Self is the
real wisdom-insight and not these three things.  Eat simple vegetarian food.  Being in West, do not resort to drugs for enlightenment.  These
will not confer enlightenment.  Be friendly and compassionate to poeple
but do not interfere with their lives or any other worldly matters.  If
you are distraught, ask for Bhagavan Ramana's Grace.  It is flowing
perennially but you should 'seek' it.   Bhagavan's cinema-screen
example is excellent.  Be a screen, a witness.  When the show is
over, only screen remains as a silvery brilliance and you will hear
a low monotone of Ramana which will be with you always.  There
is no need to go away from society or embrace ascetism or shirk your
regular work.  These things can go hand in hand with self-enquiry.
Ultimately the screen will remain for ever and you in the Self.
Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Guru Gita
« on: June 28, 2008, 01:16:59 PM »
Guru Gita, is a dialogue between Siva and Parvati, highlighting the
importance of meditation on Guru and the results from such a meditation.  The book is of 352 verses and there are versions with a difference in
number of verses.  The Divine Life Society of Swami Sivananda, has
come out with an English version and Sri Ramakrishna Math of
Chennai has come out with a Tamil version.  It is an excellent treatise
on Advaita.  Verse 92 says: "O Dear Parvati, Guru is Siva without
three eyes.  He is Hari with two hands.  He is again Brahma without
four faces."    Verse 125 says: " Thus meditating on the Guru, one
acquires real knowledge.  One should then strongly feel, ' By the
teachings of the Guru, I am liberated.'   Arunachala Siva.   

Arunachala / Re: Meditation on Mt. Arunachala
« on: June 28, 2008, 01:01:07 PM »
Dear Shivani, I have no second opinion.  While the whole universe
is doubtlessly God, everyone one needs a form and name outside,
for prayer and meditation, before one pitches on the formless
'Aham' inside.  Even here, a person needs a place and hence
Bhagavan suggested the Heart. eg., we have a home and a home-
altar.  That way, Arunachala is Siva Himself.  Bhagavan and so
many realized souls who were there in Tiruvannamalai in the past.
have vouchsafed it.  Arunachala Siva.

Ashrams / Re: How to Get to Tiruvanamalai
« on: June 28, 2008, 12:53:13 PM »
Dear Shivani and others,  People have given suggestions to
reach Tiruvnnamalai from Chennai airport.  In Tiruvannamalai,
I have given information about Ashram facilities and meditation,
against some one else's query.
Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,  Arunachala Akshara Manamalai was done by Bhagavan,
in Tamil.  Unlike Upadesa Undiyar (30 verses) or Ulladu Narpadu (40
verses), this has not been done in Sanskrit, either by Kavyakanta Muni or Bhagavan.   I doubt whether a Telugu  translation is available. Perhaps
someone might have done it recently.  I am not sure.
Arunachala Siva.

Arunachala / Re: Meditation on Mt. Arunachala
« on: June 27, 2008, 05:24:22 PM »
Dear Shivani, I am sorry I had given a poorer description of Himalayas.
The Himalayas contain abodes of Shiva, Uma and Vishnu and it is the
birthplace of Ganga.  But these are all temples of gods but Arunachala
is God Himself.  There are, it is said, 51 sakti-peetas and 107 vishnu
sthalas (108th is Vaikunta, where one can go after the death only) and 5 Siva sthalas representing 5 elements.  But these are all again houses of gods ony.  Arunachala is itself Siva with concorporate Sakti.  Arunachala Puranam gives the difference in detail.  Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Vichara Mani Mala and Bhagavan
« on: June 27, 2008, 05:12:29 PM »
Mahatma Nischaladas wrote the Hindi Vichara Sagara.  This was
translated into Tamil by name Vichara Sagaram by someone later.
When one Arunachala Mudaliar, told Bhagavan that this Tamil
version is too difficult to read, Bhagavan wrote a simpler extract
called Vichara Mani Mala.  Since the authorship was originally claimed
by Arunachala Mudaliar.  Since Bhagavan had no interest in authorship,
He left it at that.  The Tamil "Complete Works", upto 1997 edition,
did not contain this extract.  However, it is found in Arthur Osborne's
2002 edition, in Bhagavan's name.  Vichara Mani Mala, contains
a good dialogue between Guru and disciple, regarding relative truth
(vyavaharika satya; empirical truth) and personal truth (pratibhasika
satya) which are experienced in waking state and dream state. (srkudai,
please see this book).  Arunachala Siva.   

Dear srkudai, I saw the details but I am not able to say anything now.
Let me think over.  It is all Ramana-Maya.  Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: fighting with ego
« on: June 27, 2008, 04:41:15 PM »
Dear srkudai,  I have not read Ashtavakra Gita in detail.  There is
no reference to it in "Talks" but "Day by Day' entry dt.  31.3.1945,
mentions it.  Bhagavn says that the essence of AG is: Surrender to
the Guru your notions of "I" and"mine", and this will give you
realization.  Bhagavan also cross-refers Vasishtam in this context.
The verses indicated by you are excellent and I shall read this
treatise in detail in one or two days.  Ashtavakra makes Janaka
to sit on his horse, with one leg on the stirrup and another leg on
the midair and leaves at it and comes back after some time, to
test his faith in guru.  Perhaps the allegory is that one realize the
Self within the time that is taken between placing both the legs on the stirrup if one has faith in Guru.  Arunachala Siva.   

Ashrams / Re: Ashram Meditation hall
« on: June 27, 2008, 04:14:31 PM »
Dear Shivani,  Tiruvannamalai is a medium size town, where
accommodation is available for about Rs 400 per day for 2
people.  Staying Ashram's own guest houses, need prior approval.
Inside the Ashram, you may visit the Matrubhuteshwar Temple,
a small Shiva temple, over the samadhi of Bhagavan's Mother,
and also Ramaneswara Mahalingam Temple, another bigger temple,
over the samadhi of Bhagavan.  You can mediate in the Hall in
front of Ramaneswara Mahalingam Temple or in the Old Hall,
(with limited hours of opening) where Bhagavan lived for more
than 20 years and held court with his devotees.   Here is where,
all the happenings took place.  This has been sanctified by thousands
of Bhagavan's devotees.  There is an Ashram Bookshop, where you
can buy English, Tamil, Hindi, Sanskrit, Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam books and CDs.  The Ashram Food centre is available for people on first come first served basis.  The morning breakfast is at 7.00 AM, lunch at
11.30 AM and tea at 4.00 PM and evening food at 7.00 PM.  These
are all South Indian vegetarian food and breakfast.  In T. Malai,
there is a very large Shiva temple, which will take about 4 to 5 hours
if you want to see everything in detail.  You can climb the Hill, if
you can or see Skandasramam and Virupaksha Cave which is about
1/2 km on the way to uphill.  The circumambulation is about 14 kms.
There is samadhi of Seshadri Swami, who was there during Bhagavan's
time.  There is also a samadhi of Yogi Ram Surat Kumar.
Arunachala Siva. 

Dear srkudai,  Bhagavan has informed Sampurnamma, to recite
Ribhu Gita even though she could not understand the meaning. 
This is mentioned in the Mountain Path, June 1993 article.  He
did not specify any particular chapter, but the chapter 26, which
speaks about undifferentiated abidance in non dual nature, can also
be used for daily recitation.  Sri Ramansramam has published an
English version (done by Society for Abidance in Truth, California,
U.S) and the original Tamil version of Ulaganatha Swami.  I do not
think they have Lingeswrara Rao's version and CD.  Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai, For a Brahma Jnani like Ramana, even the waking
state is a dream.  But He felt all emotions as if in a play.  Or He is
like a mirror reflecting the emotions of others.  On the last day
of His life in the body, when everyone around Him was crying and praying, He had asked after hearing the cooing of the peacocks:
"Whether the peacocks have been fed?"  Arunachala Siva.   

Dear srkudai,  I am not able to tell decisively.  But kindly tell me,
whether, (a) You decided to continue to sleep.  But did you
decide to continue the dream -- in the waking state or in the dream
state?  (b) Did you decide to jump down instead of climbing.  Was
this decision taken in the waking state or in the dream state?
(c) When did you know that you have met the caller's request
downhill? - in the waking state or in the dream state?

I still believe that one can decide to alter the dream, during next
time when the dream comes, but not in the same dream.

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Arjuna's question
« on: June 27, 2008, 12:15:56 PM »
Dear nonduel, Yes.  All of us are carrying our memory (fruits of good and bad karma) to the next birth and when the cumulative memory leads to Self knowledge we realize the Self.  The memory of one birth gives an advantage or a handicap (if it is a bad memory or fruits of karma)
in the next birth.  That is why, persons like Hunter Kannappa, within
a few visits to the Lord in the temple, could merge with the Self.  No
doubt there were several tests for him!  Every person on the way to
Self Realization has been put to test.  Arunachala Siva.