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47626
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (1)
« on: August 18, 2008, 02:03:32 PM »
"Panchadasi"  - 15 chapters, is a composition by Sri Madhva Vidyaranya.
It is a comprehensive manual of Advaita Vedanta, running to 568 verses,
in 15 chapters. There are two types of Advaita works.  One is those,
that are intended to serve as books of instructions, for the followers,
and the Second is those that seek to show through dialectics that
the philosphical positions that oppose Advaita are not tenable.  The
Panchadasi belongs to the first type. 

After Sankara, the Advaita philosphy branched off into two broad
categories. The Vivarana school and Bhamati school.  According to
the Vivarana school, the jiva is a reflection of Brahman in nescience.
Brahman is the prototype, reflected in Iswara or personal god. This
is known as Pratibhimba Vada, the argument of reflection.  In
the Bhamati school, jiva is Brahman as defined or delimited by
nescience, or ignorance, or avidya or maya. This is known as
Avaccheda Vada, the argument of delimitation.  In the first one,
the analogy is reflection of the sun in the mirror.  In the second one,
the analogy is ether in the pot. 

Panchadasi is a large composition, and I shall write about
important chapters and from there, a few important verses.

Arunachala Siva.     

47627
Dear PVSSN Raju, You are right, when you say, about thought-excluding
activity, because the thoughts are the villain and they create a sense
of doership.  There is a Zen story.  A Zen master was walking on the
banks of a river, with his two students.  They were about to cross the
river, where it was not very deep, but still some shallow water was there.
There was standing there a beautiful girl, who wanted to cross the
river, but was hesitating because her skirt would become wet.  The
Zen Master lifted her up, kept her on his shoulders and crossed the
stream.  On the other bank, he left her and continued to walk.  His
students became restive.  They were murmuring:  O  He is an ascetic,
a celibate, a scholar, a jnani, how can he take the girl on his shoulders
and cross?.  After a few minutes, the students asked the Master,  "Sir,
the girl..... why should you...."  Then the Zen Master repied:-
" Oh, you are telling about that girl?  I have left her a long time back.
Why are you still carrying her?"

Mind and thoughts are the devils,  Not the doership.

Arunachala Siva.
   

47628
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, Yes, Bhagavan did that.  He also did the
same for Palaniswami, when he broke his toe.  But when He
had stings of honey bees, when He accidentally trampled on
the honeycomb in the Hill, and when He had a swollen left
leg, with a thousand stings, He allowed the natural healing to
take place and He did not cure Himself immediately.  Because,
in this case, He had committed an injury to honeybees and He
had to atone it.  In other cases, the accidents were natural and
so He decided to cure Himself and Palanswami immediately.

Arunachala Siva.   

47629
General topics / Re: Spiritual being-Human being
« on: August 18, 2008, 01:01:46 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju and non duel, we are all living beings,
trying to find an answer, for the question that never was!

Arunachala Siva.

47630
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  You are right.  Only the Self should not
be clothed with good or bad garments.  The body can be.  But
certain saints in the past had no clothing.  Even Bhagavan, was
without even any loin cloth some time, since He did not care about
anything other than the Self.  Akka Mahadevi, a famous Veera Saiva
saint of Karnataka, was wearing some leaves of the trees around her
waist.  When Allmma Prabhu, another saint asked her, why should
she care for externals, she replied, "It is not for my sake, that I am
wearing, but for the sake of people like you!!!"

Arunachala Siva.     

47631
Dear non due, I am very pleased about your enthusiasm about
Atma Vidya Vilasam.  I am reading a Tamil version.  I am sure
Sri Ramakrishna Math does not have an English version.  I shall
try in one or two bookshops in Bangalore, which exclusively deal
with books on philosophy and religiion and if I get a good English
version, I can courier it to you.  French translation will not be available.

Arunachala Siva. 

47632
General topics / Re: Living Realised Person
« on: August 18, 2008, 12:44:23 PM »
Dear srkudai, non duel, DRPVSSN Raju,  Very interesting exchange
of posts between you.  Very nice.  Only a few things. 

The Arundati Nyaya, as skrudai points out, the guru shows the way
and the goal has to be reached by us.  To reach the star, Arundati,
the guru shows the two leaves of the tree, through which the disciple,
should further see.  Beautiful.  Bhagavan Sri Ramana says, in Who
am I? "God and Guru will show the way to salvation but not take
you to the salvation".  In fact, Bhagavan never approved the
'cat-way' but recommended the 'monkey way.'  The mother cat will
bite the baby cat and lift it to the place, that she wants to go. The
baby need not make  any effort.   But in case, monkey's case, the baby monkey should hold to the mother. If the baby monkey falls, it is lost,
because the baby has ceased the efforts. 

Dear non duel, you are correct.  We are all bubbles in the ocean.
No one pure, no one is impure.   We are all pure.  There is neither
jnani nor ajnani, as Bhagavan says.  There is only Jnana.

Talking about Chinmayanada of Bhagavad Gita, (the Original Chinamaya Mission people), he was a great scholar and authority on Srimad
Bhagavad Gita, and there it ends.  He used to have snuff, for his
nostrils and will have a sniff of the powder, even during his lecture.
He used to say, "Even if Krishna wants to me to Vaikunta, I cannot
go without my snuff box!"

There were during Bhagavan's time the ganja-takers in the Hill.
The ganja was not banned during His days.  Even someone had
given to Him a large doze of ganja, on a few occasions and He has
taken without any effect, since it was 'offered' by a devoee!    Some
Yogi has remarked,  "Oh Siva, you are calling me, please wait, let
me take my ganja and then come with you!"

I propose to write about Panchadasi, starting from this afternoon.

Arunachala Siva.         

47633
General Discussion / Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
« on: August 18, 2008, 12:24:28 PM »
Dear srkudai,  You are right.  Sri Sadhu Om says in his Path of
Sri Ramana, that many were at the feet of Bhagavan and each
one had a different meaning in His words. For example, Bhagavan
glorified Yoga marga to Gambhiram Seshayyar, but it does not
mean that this is His teachings.  He advised Babu Rajendra Prasad,
(who became later the President of India), to continue his karma
marga, and again, it is not that He advocted karma marga.  Simlarly,
He said to Krishna Premi to pursue bhakti.  All these four paths
are described in Upadesa Saram.  The point is that when one is
reading a person like Sri Suddhanada, we must keep in mind that
Bhagavan recommended all those things that are mentioned in the
book, -  to him, -  and not to everyone, since He was only for self-enquriy.   

Arunachala Siva.
 

47634
General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: August 18, 2008, 12:15:28 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, yes.  Experience alone is there and there
is no experiencer and experienced, the duality.  Non objective
experience is the experience of the Self and here the Experience
is the Existence.  To say, objects come and go is not correct, because,
there is no object, "the drisyam" but only "the drik", the subject.

Drik                     Drisyam
Subject               Object
Real                     Superimposed
Siva                      Maya
Seer                     Seen
Jnathuru            Jneyam
Rope                    Serpent


Arunachala Siva.   

47635
General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: August 18, 2008, 12:07:26 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Non objective consciousness means only
object-less consciousness.  Bhagavan says, in Who am I?,
'vichara' means where there is no object.  Sri Sadhu Om,
also says the same thing in the Path of Sri Ramana, a 4 volume
book.  However, for Jnani, who has realized the Self, the appearance
disappearance of world and objects does not make any difference. 
It is he for whom, there is immateriality of the world and objects.
When a photograph which was seen by Bhagavan and also the
others in the Old Hall, was later misplaced and when everyone
was searching for it, someone asked Bhagavan whether he has
seen the photograph and has also seen its misplacement, Bhagavan
said, that he does not know both!

Arunachala Siva.   

47636
Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra's life is said to be full of many miracles.
He was born in Madurai, in a Telugu Brahmin family.  After
wedding, even before he could start a family life, he left
the home and went to his guru Sri Paramasivendra.  After
a brief teaching of upanishads, his guru told him, "Keep still".
He faithfully followed and so many siddhis came to him, but
he did not care.  Once he was walking in a town, near a harem
of a Mohammeddan King.  Seeing him going naked and that too,
without garments, the King chased him and cut his hand.  Sri
Sadasiva, bent down, took his severed hand, placed it back on
his shoulder and continued to walk.  The Nawab was dumbfounded!
The Nawab fell on his feet and sought his forgivenss.  On another
occasion, when he was doing taps on the dry sands of Kaveri river,
a flash flood came and fixed him into a whirlpool.  After three months,
when the waters dried up, he stood up and walked to the banks
of the river.  On more occasion, he was misunderstood as a thief,
when he was sleeping near the rice bags held near a rice field,
and the owner raised his hand to beat him.  That fellow's hand
became paralytic.  On another occasion, when some small urchins
wanted to see Madurai and Siva temple there, he took them through
sky, showed them the place, got some sweets for eats and brought
them back safe to their village near Kaveri. 

Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi has translated a verse of
Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra, as verse 37 of Ulladu Narpadu (Anubandam).

Sri Vidyananada Giri, one of Sadavsiva's disciples, after one or two generation, came to Bhagavan and got his 'upadesa'.

Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra's 'samadhi' is in a place called Nerur,
near Tiruchirapalli.

Arunachala Siva.   
 

47637
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Atma Vidya Vilasam -1
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:44:36 AM »
Atma Vidya Vilasam, is a brief composition of 43 slokas by
Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra.  Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra, is
a Brahma Jnani, who was walking on the fields and towns,
without any dress.  He was a Dikambara.  This book of 43
slokas is about the state of a self realized person.  He has also
written another composition with the same title Atma Vidya
Vilasam.  This book is about the 43 verse compostion. 

Verse 4:-   The Brahman is the causeless cause.  For the
purpose of creation, the Maya, which is the indivisible part
of Brahman, breathed and then came the five elements of space,
air, water, fire, and earth, like a potter brings about pots through
his wheel.

Verse 16:-  You are asking how to cross the ocean of samsara.
What is there to do, excepting de-contaminating the Self,
from the body, senses, breath and mind?

Verse 23:-  The Self does not rise like the sun, nor does it set.
It does not decrease, nor decrease, nor decay.  It is the ever
present Witness, which can be experienced if you remove
the superimposition.

Verse 32:-  Let Maya, which is like a cloud, shower rains callled the
world.  What is the profit for me?  What is the loss for me?  I
am ever happy in the self-effulgent swarupa, the Brahman.

Arunachala Siva.     

47638
General topics / Re: Living Realised Person
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:05:49 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, You are correct.  Some people feel that
a living Guru.  I have been exchanging views with 'non-duel'
on this same point.  Lakshmana Swamy, who came to Bhagavan
and stayed in Tiruvannamalai, for many years, has also said
that a living guru is essential.  But I am with you.  The Guru
need not be living in body.  His photograph or his books or
even a mental picture of him will do, to progress in the path
of self realization.  Eventually, after realization, you are he and
he is you.

Arunachala Siva.

 

47639
General topics / Re: satsangh
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:02:15 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  You are correct.  The satsangh of Guru
makes it easier for the seeker to tread the path of self realikzation.
Bhagavan has said:  "If jnanis satsangh is available, there is no
need of 'niyama', observances of many religious practices.  He
has also said: "If jnanis satsangh is available, it is like a southern
breeze, and there is no need for a hand-fan to get the flow of air.
While Ganges will remove your sins, only when you bathe, the
Karpaga tree will confer you wealth, only when you get it from
Indraloka, coolness will be assuured only when there is cloudless
full moon, the janani's mere look, will give all these benefits
at a stroke.

Arunachala Siva.   

47640
General Discussion / Re: GURU POORNIMA
« on: August 17, 2008, 10:53:35 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Thank you.  The descendents of Sri
Abhirami Bhattar are still living in Tiruchirappalli, a bigger
town about 150 kms from Tirukkadaiyur.  The Brahman is
always praised as One brighter than 1000 Suns.  And the
Bliss is praised as One with brighter than 1000 Moons.  This
is seen in Tamil poetry of various saint-poets.  Bhagavad Gita
also says the same thing about Krishna, in Viswaroopa Darsana
Yogam.  When the first atom bomb was dropped on Nagasaki
in Japan, Einstein said that light and heat was brighter than
thousand suns.  Incidentally, Einstein had a writing behind his
table which said,  " (After discovering the theory of relatiivity),
I now know that God is there, but He is very subtle."  He is
also reported to have said once:  " I only want to know God's
thoughts, the rest in this universe are all mere details!"

Arunachala Siva.