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47611
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 23, 2008, 10:35:41 AM »
Dear non duel,  I agree with you.  You can also ready
Ramana Paravidya Upanishad of Lakshman Sarma (WHO),
an extract of which has been given by David Godman, in his
The Power of the Presence.

Arunachala Siva.

47612
General Discussion / Re: QUALIFICATIONS TO SELF REALISATION!
« on: July 23, 2008, 10:30:50 AM »
Dear Sankar, you are correct.  Keep the checklist and try how
many one can practise.

Arunachala Siva.

47613
General Discussion / Re: KEY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: July 23, 2008, 10:29:12 AM »
Dear Sankar, genuine crying really helps.  Saint Manikkavachagar
says:  Can I not get you, if I weep?  (Tiruvchagam)

Arunachala Siva.

47614
General Discussion / Re: SILENCE IS THE SELF
« on: July 23, 2008, 10:26:58 AM »
Dear Sankar, please do that practice.  In Who am I? there are
several aids given for self-realization.  Please read and see
how may one can practise.

Arunachala Siva.

47615
General Discussion / Re: any other eforums on Ramana
« on: July 23, 2008, 10:25:10 AM »
Dear everyone, there is equally an excellent website called
www.davidgodman.org.  In this, there is also a forum in the form
of commenting on what David Godman writes on various
topics.

Arunachala Siva.

47616
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 22, 2008, 05:11:23 PM »
Dear nonduel, Thanks for your immediate response.  The story
mentioned by you has also been read from somewhere sometime
back.  Upanishads mention two preconditions for a Guru, one,
he should be a through scholar in "sastras", that is, scriptures
and injunctions; second he must be a Bramha Nishta, that is
he should abiding in Brhaman or the Self.  The phrase goes:
"Stotriam Brahma-nishtam."  In today's world, we have scholars
aplenty and what is rare is brahma-nishta, gurus abiding in the
Self.  The King in the story is having both qualifications, he is
able to order and also he has got authority to do so.  Whereas
the other is giving only an order, but has no authority.  Hence
the order of the second was not obeyed.  If one could find a
living guru who has order and authority, there is nothing like
that.  But it is very very rare, and it is like finding the footprints
of the bird on the sky!

You are correct.  I checked up with David Godman's blog. Sri
Lakshmana Swami has in fact, suggested the need for a living
Guru.  But he had Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi but do we have one?

Arunachala Siva.   

47617
Devi-aparaadha-kshamaapana-Stotram is a 12-verse
composition of Sankara, seeking forgiveness of Devi.
A sample:

Verse 2: "Ignorant of the commands of scriptures,
Utterly devoid of wealth, shiftless indolent am I,
Unable to do as I ought to do, numerous therefore are my offences,
I have committed at Thy feet. Mother! Saviour of all mankind 
Auspicious One!  Forgive my sins,
A wicked son is sometimes born,
But the unkind mother there cannot be."

Verse 11: "Mother of all the universe!
If Thou shouldst show Thy fullest mercy,
Would even then a a cause of wonder?
A mother cannot refuse her son,
Though he has done a million wrongs."

If Sankara could wail like that, what avail be of we?

Arunachala Siva.       

47618
General Discussion / Re: KEY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: July 22, 2008, 02:08:38 PM »
Dear Sankar, yes genuine crying is one way to in our run-up to
the Self realization.  Bhagavan had chided mother Azhagamma, when
she had asked Akhilandamma to procure greens from the Hill.  Mother
Azahagamma cried.  Bhagavan said:  Cry Cry, it is good for you. 
Likewise, when I read several incidents in Bhagavan's life, I have
cried.  He told Annamalai Swami, the kitchen worker, one early morning,
to taste the chutney He has grinded.  Annamalai Swami hesitated saying
that he was not a brahmin (and non-brahmins should not take anything
before brahmins had eaten!) and that he had not by then brushed his
teeth.  Bhagavan said:  It does not matter, you may taste a little and
tell he how it is.  "Go for brushing the teeth afterwards.  Do not tell
anyone!" When Echammal brought her new born grandson, who had
become destitute, since his parents had died, and shed tears,  Bhagavan
also cried irresistably!  Bhagavan was like a mirror, refelecting the joys and sorrows of His devotees.  If one could cry reading such incidents, it is
a sure way to cleanse one's mind and ego.

Arunachala Siva. 

47619
General Discussion / Re: SILENCE IS THE SELF
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:52:54 PM »
Dear Sankar, yes, Silence is the Self.  Here again it is very difficult
to practise.  Bhagavan said that silence does not simply mean not
mouthing words, but it is stillness of the mind.  The so called mouna-
yogis who abound today, are silent without words, but write answers
on a slate to the seeker's questions.  Is it silence.  The silence is the
halting of the ever grinding machine, that is mind!  It is the stillness
of the mind.

Arunachala Siva.

47620
General Discussion / Re: SEEK THE TRUTH IN REALITY
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:48:30 PM »
Dear Sankar,  Bhagavan says in Who am I?  Atma-swrupa is the one
and only Reality.  Everything is imagination!  This world, the jiva i.e
the individual, and God are all imaginations!  But it is very difficult to
shake off the world, ego (the individual mind) and god.  Many of
us are still doing worship of god in some form or other, be it Siva,
be it Rama or Krishna or Devi.  I told you in the other posts, there are
several steps given as aids to self realization, in Who am I?  Each one
is difficult.  But Bhagavan says in the case of god-worship, do not
shake it off forcibly.  Even a dislike to continue the god-worship in the
home-altar, is a desire!  These things will drop off when the appropriate
time comes.

Arunachala Siva.

 

47621
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:38:52 PM »
Dear nonduel,  I am thankful to you for your extrace of David
Godman's interview with Sri Lakshmanaswami.  Both David and
Sri Lakshmanaswami agree about three types of gurus, Siva within,
Siva appearing in the name of a guru for a while and the living gurus,
who are Siva's devotees who are designed to be teachers.  In fact,
in the case of Saint Manikkavachagar, Siva appeared as a Guru for
a while, in the place called Tirukkazhukundram, and disappeared later.
Manikkavachagar's life is a wonder.  First Siva appeared before him as
an Effulgent light in a place called Tirupperundurai in Southern Tamil Nadu. The Siva appeared as a brahmin guru in Tirukkazhukundram and Manikka-
vachagar became Self-realized, sang songs in a number of places, and
finally merged in Siva, again as a light merging with light in Chidambaram.

Coming to your point, from your posts I guess you need a living guru
to clarify your doubts about Ramana Way.  If this so, there are several
elders inside  Ramanasramam, and David Godman through his website.
Finding a living guru firstly it may be difficult and secondly you are not
sure whether they are genuine, in these days of bogus and self-styled
gurus.

Arunachala Siva.  
 

47622
Dear Paul, you are correct.  Bhagavan says if you enquire Who am I?
and keep meditating on "I", "I", it will lead you to "I-I".  This "I-I"
is the Self or Brahman or Paramatman or Siva.  In Tamil, Bhagavan
writes 'Naan' and 'thaan'  Naan is I and than is I-I.  The same usage
is also seen is Upadesa Undiyar,  Upadesa Saram in Sanskrit and
Telugu.  Who am I? defines the Self and prescribes many steps as
aids to self-realization.  I was just now writing to Sankar, that each
step is important and is diffcult to practise.  Bhagavan also says,
"you simply repeat you own name.  It will take you to the Heart or
the Self.  Astounding.  The poet Tennyson, without any intention,
was repeating his name, and he found extraordinary bliss.  Since
every one who is a Brahman in this world, cannot be called 'I',
elders have given different names to different people.  Hence one's
own name like 'I' is quite potent to merge in the 'I-I' or the Self.

Arunachala Siva.   

47623
General topics / Re: SEEK THE TRUTH IN REALITY TO KNOW THE SELF
« on: July 22, 2008, 12:08:58 PM »
Dear Sankar, I agree with you.  As aids to self-realization, I
am looking deeply into the words of Who am I? and see how
many steps that Bhagavan has prescribed, we are able to follow.
For example, He says, that both likes and dislikes should be
eschewed.  This is extremely difficult.  If the autorickshaw driver
demands five rupees more than the actual fare, we yell at him.
This five rupees may give him happiness and he likes it, but since
it is dislike for us, we do not like it.  There are various such prescriptions
from Bhagavan in Who am I?.  I shall write separately about each
step, at a later date.

Arunachala Siva.   

47624
Veda-Sara-Siva Stotram of Sankara, described the primordial
aspect of Siva, as the essence of Vedas, in 11 verses.  A sample,

Verse 5:-  "How do I worship the Paramatman, One and without
a second,
Who is the Cause of the Universe,
The Primal Being, Spirit formless and actionless, who is
attained through the syllable OM?
Him do I worship Siva, of whom the universe is born,
by whom it is sustained, in whom it merges."

Verse 6:- "How do worship who is neither earth, nor water,
who is neither fire, nor air nor ether,
Who is unvisited by sleep, yet evermore unwearied,
Beyond both heat and cold, without a country and without a home,
Him do I worship Siva, the Formless One, the Trimurti?"

Arunachala Siva.
 

47625
Ganga-Ashtakam, an eight verse composition of Sankara is a hymn
on the glories of Ganges.  A sample,

Verse 2:  "Rippling Thou flowest from the feet of Hari,
Whiter than frost or diamonds, or the moon,
O Mother Ganga, take away the burden,
of wicked deeds that weigh upon me,
Bear me across the ocean of the world,
He who has drunk Thy refreshing waters,
He, Thy worshipper, O Mother Ganga,
Never will be seized by the king of death."

Verse 7: "If by Thy grace, one bathes in Thy waters,
Never again one need to enter a mother's womb,
The sins of a liftetime for all annulling,
Jahnavi! Ganga! the world accord Thee
Honour and renown for the glory that is Thine"

Arunachala Siva.