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47596
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (10)
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:44:26 AM »
The Chapter VII continues...

THE SELF IS THE DEAREST TO ALL.

Verse 193:-  Many Srutis declare that a husband loves his wife
not for her sake, and the wife loves him not for his sake, but
both for their own sake.

Verse 194:- Now who is the doer and enjoyer?  Is it the immutable
Kutastha or the reflected consciousness, Chidabhasa, or a union
of the two?  Kutastha cannot be the enjoyer since it is association-
less.

Verse 200:-  Owing to ignorance, the Chidabhasa superimposes
the reality of Kutastha on to himself.  Consequenly he considers
his enjoyment to be real and does not want to give it up.  Thus,
Chidabhasa loves and enjoys, due to his union with Kutastha.

Verse 205:- As the fallen ones keep their minds ever concentrated
on objects of enjoyment, such as, garlands, sandal paste, young
women, clothes, gold and so forth, so an aspirant for liberation
ought to keep his attention fixed on the Self and never falter.

Verse 206:-  As a man desirous of establishing his superiority
over his opponents engages himself in the study of literature,
drama, logic and so forth, so an aspirant for liberation should
discriminate about the nature of the Self.

Verse 209:-  As these people through through perseverance
increase their efficiency in their fields, so for the aspirant
for liberartion through continuous practice of the idea of
separateness of the Self from the body becomes stronger.

 
Arunachala Siva.
 

47597
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (9)
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:28:42 AM »
The Chapter VII continues...

Verse 177:-  The fructification of karma would be considered
to be opposed to the knowledge of the truth if it gave rise to
the idea of the reality of the transitory world.  But mere
enjoyment does not mean that the enjoyed thing is real.

Verse 178:- Through the imaginary objects seen in a dream,
there is experience of joy and sorrow to no small extent.
Therefore, you can infer that through the objects of the
waking state also, there can be the same experience, without
making them real.

Verse 182:-  Therefore, knowledge arises with the destruction
of duality and in other way. This being so, how can the knower
of the truth enjoy the world?

Verse 183:-  The Sruti upon which this objection (Verse 182)
is based, applies to the states of deep and final liberation.  This
has been amply cleared in Aphorism 4.4.16 in the Brahma Sutram.
(This Aphorism says that for those who have acquired Knowledge,
there is no 'doership', and hence there is no enjoyment. Even
worlds like heaven are no enjoyment.)

Verse 184:- If this is not accepted, we cannot account for
Yajnavalkya's and other sages' efforts to teach.  Without
a recognition of duality, they could not teach and 'enjoy'
teaching and if they have duality, their knowledge is incomplete.
In other words, these teachers did teach, without duality and
without a sense of 'doership'.

Verse 190:-  The control of mind is essential for the realization
of the illusory character of the world.  But although, the wise
man may have desires, they are not binding as the desires
opf an ignorant man. 

Arunachala Siva. 

47598
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (8)
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:13:24 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Yes.  karma with body consciousness is bad.
Karma with no body consciousness, with Pure Mind, is good.
That is what Bhagavan Sri Ramana was doing during 54 years
of His life in body, in Tiruvannamalai.

Arunachala Siva. 

47599
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (7)
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:11:30 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, Yes.  The mirror is reflecting the Sun. 
Break the mirror, only the Sun appears.

Arunachala Siva.

47600
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (6)
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:09:58 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Mind is now the master for the unrealized.
This should be made a servant, and this should search for the
master, the Guru or Brahman.  Like a dog goes for scenting the
master and reaching, the mind should search for the master
and reach him!

Arunachala Siva.

47601
General Discussion / Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:06:23 AM »
Dear non duel, Yes.  In our path to self-enquiry, doubts will
arise, and we have to seek the help of others to solve them or
find the answers.  The work in progress will then get a formation
of finished product, that is the Self.  There is a book called
Work in Progress or Finnegans Wake, by James Joyce.  That
book has not been completed,  and people say that no one in
the world has ever completed reading the book!   James Joyce,
wrote three novels in his life.  The first is:  The Portarait of an
Artist as a Young Man.  The second is:  Ulysses.  The third one is:
Work in Progress or Finnegans Wake.  In the whole world, there
is only one prose book (!) for which a key was written, (as they
would write for Sakespeare), and that is Ulysses. 

Arunachala Siva.

47602
General Discussion / Re: Freedom from occupation
« on: August 19, 2008, 10:57:09 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Yes, when the mind withdraws and curls
up into the Self, there is no mental occupation and duty.

Arunachala  Siva.

47603
General Discussion / Re: Base of duality
« on: August 19, 2008, 10:55:03 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  All duality is based on the mind.  If
there is no mind, the Maya will be able to do nothing!

Arunachala Siva. 

47604
General Discussion / Re: Appearence of the world
« on: August 19, 2008, 10:53:32 AM »
Dear PSVNN Raju,  The world appears and is known only when
a man operates the mind.  You can ask, if you do no operate the
mind, will not the world appear for others?  The relationship is
only with a person and not with all the persons in the world.
Imagine, some Martians come down to earth and kill every person!
Then the world will not appear, because there is no one to operate
the mind!  The world appears only with the mind.  This is what
Bhagavan says in Who am I?  So also is the case with individual
soul and the personal gods.  These appear only with the mind.

Arunachala Siva.

47605
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (5)
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:59:32 PM »
Dear DRPSSVN Raju, yes, the removal of objective consciousness,
takes us to realize the Self-consciousness.

Arunachala Siva.

47606
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (4)
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:57:26 PM »
Dear DRPSSVN Raju, yes, the Nidhidhyasana, the contemplative
meditation on the Self, is the third stage, which eventually leads
to Samadhi.

Arunachala Siva.

47607
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (3)
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:55:43 PM »
Dear DRPSSVN Raju, that is why, Bhagavan says, the Self-
enquiry is the Self-attention, that is stopping our attention
towards the world, the non-self.

Arunachala Siva.

47608
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (2)
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:53:23 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, as you said, the refelcted per se, is not the
problem, when the mirror is taken away, the reflection will also
disappear, and there will be only Kutastha, the brilliant Sun.  Only
the adjuncts are the problem and are the dirt on the mirror.  To
remove the dirt, one has to clean up the mirror.

Arunachala Siva.

47609
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (1)
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:45:40 PM »
My dear srkudai,  Thank you.  I took up Chapter VII, because
it is the longest (covering almost the half of the whole book)
and it deals with Maya, which has not been discussed much in
the Forum. 

I shall take up Chapter I and Chapter IX, the Dyana Deepa, the
Lamp of Meditation, shortly.

Arunachala Siva.

47610
General Discussion / Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:41:24 PM »
Dear non duel,  as T.S. Eliot has said, " At the end, everything
will look the same." 

I started with Camus, Kafka, Nietzhe and Sartre and Russel.
I went into Western philosophy, a lot of Indian scriptures, had
a stint  with Sri Satya Sai Baba, Shirdi Sai Baba, Sri Raghavendra
and Sri Sri Ravisankar.  I read astrology, numerogy and Chinese Torts.
Finally I took interest in Sankara and Bhagavan.  I believe I have
arrived. At the end of the road, what is there more to proceed?

Arunachala Siva.