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47566
General Discussion / Re: Is heaven and hell real?
« on: July 17, 2008, 04:15:30 PM »
Dear rajan, sonagiri and others,  the concept of hell and heaven is
there in all religious beliefs.  It is only for those who believe in such
things.  It is the mind, which causes, happiness, sorrow, pleasure,
pain, good and evil.  When the mind and breath leave the body, they
also carry the latencies, vasanas, and it is the vasanas that cause a
reibirth.  If the mind is killed, there are no vasanas, there are no dyads and triads, no birth becuase one then merges in the Self and it is just is.
Talking about Hitler, it is again a fevered imagination, to think as to
what could have happened to him!  Perhaps this mental exercise
will  result in thinking that he must have a suffered in hell, with his
vasanas and a "yadana sarira', after which he must have been born as
an AIDS virus, a shark, a poisonous serpent, a ferocious tiger or as
Saddam Hussein or George Bush!    Arunachala Siva.     

47567
General topics / Re: Living Guru
« on: July 17, 2008, 02:26:49 PM »
Dear non duel,  at the outset, my comp did not work for 15 days
due to some unknown problem, hence there is some break in my
prattiling!  For most of us, the idea of a living guru appeals more,
because we are so much used to names and forms.  Again not one
living guru, one seeks several living gurus!  Bhagavan has said on
many occasions that the devotees need not worry about being in
a body permanently.  Bhagavan lived 70 years in His body as an
'avatara' to drive home the Truth but it is too much to expect Him
to live always in body.  The Guru need not be a living Guru.  His
Presence is always felt by genuine seekers even today.  For people
who seek miracles, He is causing miracles even today.  For example,
after 15 days, He has set right my comp on a fee of $ 6.00.  No parts
changed, no parts added, only a simple correction by a young engineer!
I was only praying to Him:   "You have made me go without even doing
something in your glory?  Why?"  Then I chanted the famous Tiruvachakam verse, " You know what I want.  You will give me all that
you want.  You are unreachable even to Bramha and Vishnu, who always
wanted something or other from you.  You have always given me what
I had wanted.  Even you know what I have to want from you, and that is what you want!"  Arunachala Siva.       

47568
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: fighting with ego
« on: July 17, 2008, 02:14:12 PM »
Dear srkudai,  mind is a beautiful instrument, no doubt.  But this
is useful only during sravanam, mananam et al.  Once one merges
in the Self, where is the question of mind?  The one thought also
gets burnt up like the stick that is used to stir the funeral pyre.
After self-realization, there is no mind, hence no thought, no ego etc.,
The state of realization is not beautiful or ugly, it is JUST IS.
While Buddha called it as Maha Sunya or Maha Prajna, Sankara called
it Sat-Chit-Ananda. Who is there to tell whether it is sunya or ananda?    Arunachala Siva.   

47569
Dear "non duel" / "srkudai",  My comp did not work for 15 days due
to some unknown problem. That gave me time to read David Godman's
book "The Power of the Presence" in 3 volumes.  Bhagavan said to
Annamalai Swami:  Contemplate on the thought "I am Brahman". 
Bhagavan prescribed different ways for different seekers.  To one
'outcaste', He had prescribed:  Chant "Siva-Siva".  This one thought
eventually result in "no-thought" and that is Self-realization. 
Eventually, as non-duel said it is the conviction or bhavana that is
the most important thing.   Arunachala Siva.

47570
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Dive deeply...
« on: July 17, 2008, 01:49:55 PM »
Dear nonduel, "diving deeply" means dwelling in the Heart, where
Brahman or the Self or Guru Ramana is ever.  He is already pulling
to merge in His place or Guru outside is pushing you to merge in
His place.  Arunachala Siva.

47571
Arunachala / Re: Guru Purnima pradiksha
« on: July 17, 2008, 01:46:32 PM »
Dear Blissboy, the Full Moon in India is observed from
17th morning 12.57 PM to 18th afternoon 2.00 PM.  You may
accordingly readjust this to your local American time and observe.
The full moon is seen bright at Tiruvannamalai on 17th night!
Arunachala Siva. 

47572
Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Email addresses
« on: July 17, 2008, 01:33:20 PM »
My dear Graham,  My e mail address is: g337h4@yahoo.com.
But, Sir, I had a different problem for the past 15 days.  My
computer broke down and it took 2 weeks to set right and today only
it became alright.  I case I have not received your e mail, I shall send
you a communication.  Thanking you,

Yours truly,

Subramanian. R

47573
Dear srkudai, there are 4 Maha vaakyas in Upanishads.

1. Prajnanam Brahman -  Consciousness is Brahman - Aiteya Up. 5.3.
2. Aham Brahman  -  I am Brahman -  Brhadaranyaka Up. 1.4.10.
3. Tatvam asi - You are That - Chandogya Up. 6.8.7.
4. Ayamatmaa Brahman - This self is Brahman - Brhadaranya Up.2.8.9.

Any bhavana is okay and the preceptors have prescribed one that suits
a disciple.  It is like a Zen Koan.  One has to work out that koan given by
the Zen Master.

I AM GOD or GOD IS - Anything is okay that suits one.  It is the 'bhavana' or conviction that is more important.

Arunachala Siva.   

47574
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Mankuthimmana Kagga
« on: July 08, 2008, 11:13:12 AM »
"Mankuthimmana Kagga", -- 'Mankuthimmana sang thus" is a Kannada
work, comprising of 945 verses.  It is written by Sri D.V. Gundappa, a
famous Kannada poet who lived in early 20th century. (1887-1975).  This is the poem of ethics for men and women and it shows the ways to salvation.
I do not know to read Kannada and hence I read an English translation.

A sample: Verse 932:  "Brahman is the ocean of all the grace of 'ragas',
Like mohana, ananda bhairavi, sankarabharana, Sahana, kurinji, kedrara,
and kapi, Sink deep into it".
Verse 945 says: "Surrender to the mystery of life, the true Reality,
Surrender to the endeavour to make it blossom into a flower,
Surrender to the majestic peace of the Inner Being,
And surrender to the Atman of the Universe!"

Arunachala Siva.
 

47575
Dear srkudai,  The dance of Siva has given rise to many many esoteric interpretations by Saiva saints and yogis.  The Nandi or the bull
is "Mooladharam" and the first centre among the 6 chakras of the body,
and this is in the genitals.  This chakra gives rise to lust, anger, fear
and other feelings.  If this is properly focussed towards the Sahasraram,
which is on the head, as Nandi is focussing on Siva, one gets the
divine experience of merging in the Self, Siva.  In Sahasraram, the yogis
say that one will experience the effu lgence of Siva, shooting from his
raised foot ('Kunchitapatam') and the sound of the gingling of Sakti's
anklets! Because, Sahasraram is the place of union of Siva and Sakti.
Sankara's Soundarya Lahari gives beautiful description of these six
centres.  (I have to write a separate post, if I have to elaborate on
Soundarya Lahari). There are separate Siva temples, for each Chakra.
Tiruvannamalai, where Bhagavan lived when He was in body, represents
'ajna'.  Tiruvachakam of Manikkavachakar, a beautiful poem of 51 subgroups, has got 3 commentaries!  One describing the poems as suited to
Bhakti marga, another to Yoga marga and the third to Jnana marga.
In Sivananda Lahari, Sankara asks:  O Lord, the whole universe is your abode, whereas you choose to live in burial ground.  There are many servants to serve you, but you choose the dead bodies.  There are many foods offered by devotees, whereas you choose to beg.  The ether is your clothing, but you wear a tiger's skin as lower garment  and an elephant's skin as upper garment.  When everyone rushes to drink nectar, you choose to drink the poison.  What a wonder!  You keep the monkey of my mind, with you and control it!  In Siva temple, the "balipeetam", where the prasad
is placed, and the "dwaja-sthambam", the tall metal structure, where the flag is hoised during festivals, represent the female and male principles.

Arunachala Siva.   

47576
General topics / Re: HOW CAN THE SELF BE BEYOND TIME ?
« on: July 07, 2008, 04:29:29 PM »
Dear gorak, your questions will take at least 5000 words to answer.  I shall briefly tell, to the extent, I know.

There are several concepts.  "Maya" is prikriti or Sakti or all the singing and crying and dancing of this world.  But 'maya' is co-existent with Purusha or the Self or Brahman.  To merge in the Self, the people in the world have to overcome this 'maya lila'.

Why Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva and Bhagavan write all these works and spoke all these words.  The answer would be that they came down from the Pure Consciousness to tell people.  If all the self-realized persons decide not to speak or write or even to live, then how can we poor fellows understand anything about Brahman or the ways to merge in the Self.  Hence those elders came down from the state of Pure Consciousness, to do all these things.  Bhagavan used the word "Suddha-manas" or "Pure mind" to explain these things.  With pure mind, these great teachers spoke and taught the way.

Again, why different ways of teaching?  Sankara felt that merging in the Self is the highest goal.  He also wrote so many bhakti poems, for the sake of less evolved people.  Ramanuja said that even though Brahman is the one without second, the devotees would like to enjoy the bliss of Brahman from a distance!  It is like looking at sugar candy and appreciating it without eating it.  He said at the time of great dissolution, these devotees would merge in Brahman, that is, candy will be given after mother finished her work.   The Saiva Siddhanta is very close to Ramanuja's idea, the qualified non-dualism, Visishtadvaitam.  But they say that the devotees would enjoy Siva and merge in Brahman after dissolution.  The god-in-the-near, became a big problem and this gave a shift from philosophy to religion.  There came Vaishnavites, Saivites, Sakti-worshippers, Sun-worshippers, Skanda-worshippers and Ganapati-worshippers.  In fact, Sankara himself, gave these 6 paths in his times.

Madhva who came as the latest said that there is no merging business, the jiva or the devotee should remain ever as servants of Narayana or Krishna and jiva can never become one with the Brahman. 

The fun is everyone has interpreted upanishads, gita and brahma sutra, the same stuff, in different ways!

Then came, further schools.  Vallabhacharya's Krishna-Advaita, Nimbarkar and others. 

Within Vaishanvism, came again two big branches.  The southern sect and the northern sect.  The southern sect said that Tamil and Tamil songs of (4000 verses) devotees are more superior to Vedas, while the northern sect thought Veda is supreme.  The fight came to such an extent, they had two different types of 'marks' on their foreheads!  The one is called U type and the other is called Y type.

Brahman (sorry for the expression) must be 'laughing' to his heart's content,  I mean, if he has got a heart and a mouth.

Arunachala Siva.           

47577
General topics / Re: HOW CAN THE SELF BE BEYOND TIME ?
« on: July 07, 2008, 01:25:48 PM »
Dear 'gorak', I agree that the samadhi is a state, where there is no mind and there is no time and space, since these two are conceptions of the mind.  The question naturally arises, how then Sankara wrote all his works, debated with persons following other sub-vedic faiths like" karma kanda" etc.  How then Bhagavan composed all His works, talked to people etc.,  The samadhi again is said to be of various types, one which without body, another  with and without body etc.,  Kindly see Ribhu Gita.  Bhagavan's state is Sahaja Samadhi, in which He lived for 54 years, talked, composed etc., This is where He was living as if one is in a dream.  In such a long dream, he did all the work, as we cry, laugh, eat and talk to people in our 'ordinary dreams.'  This is the state in which all the Self realized people did their wordly work, be it Janaka, Sankara, Jnana Sambandha or Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.

Arunachala Siva.     

47578
Manisha Panchakam is again a small treatise by Sankara.  It contains only five verses and narrate a 'story' that happed in Kasi.  Sankara took a bath in Ganges and was going towards Viswanatha Temple.  On his way, he met an 'untouchable' and he asked him to get away from his path, since he was an untouchable!  (go away, go away -" gaccha, gaccha")   Siva is said to have come in the disguise of that untouchable.  To Sankara's order, the untouchable asks:   " Oh! the great among Brahmins!  This body made of food came from a body that was made of food.  This Chaitanya (the Self) is from another Chaitanya.  Which one, do you want me to clear off?" This
Sun is reflecting as on the waters of Ganges and also on the
waters of the gutter near my house.  It reflects in the golden pot as well as in mudpot.  This great bliss is there in every living being, whether there is any difference between a Brahmin and a lowly dog-eater?"

After these words  struck like a lightning in Sankara, he replies in five verses, where he states about 3 states of waking etc.,in which the Brahman is the Witness. This great Bliss is all pervasive and I misunderstood it due to my 3 gunas, sattva etc.,  I have understood this by the great words of my Guru (that is the untouchable).  This great bliss is an ocean, from the drop of which Indra and other devas are satisfied and the great sages are feeling complete." 

Arunachala Siva.   

47579
General topics / Re: Ramana Maharishi's speech
« on: July 07, 2008, 12:53:44 PM »
My dear gorak,  to my knowledge, there is no recorded message of
Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  People like David Godman, has done an
extensive researh on this.  There is no recorded message.

Arunachala Siva.   

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General topics / Re: Ramana Maharishi's speech
« on: July 07, 2008, 12:36:28 PM »
My dear gorak, there is no recorded speech of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  There are only photographs and short, black and white
video coverages.  This is our misfortune.

Arunachala Siva.