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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (28)
« on: August 20, 2008, 02:12:07 PM »
The Chapter IX, is called, Dhyana Deepa, or the Lamp of Meditation.

Verse 1:-  One may perchance obtain a thng by following a wrong
line by mistake.  So also even by woshipping Brahman, one may
get release, the desired goal.  So various ways of worship are
described in the Nrsimha Uttaratapaniya Upanishad.*
(* One of 108 Upanishads, but a minor Upanishad.)

Verse 2:-  A man sees a gleam of light emitted by a gem and
another sees a gleam of light coming from a lamp.  And both
imagine that they are gems, run to get there.  Though, in both
the cases, the notions are wrong, the results are different.

Verse 3:-  There is a lamp inside the house, its light is visible
from outside.  Similarly elsewhere the light of a gem is seen,
from outside.

Verse 4:-  On seeing the two gems at a distance, both the
men took them for gems and ran after them.  Their notions
are equally wrong, but they took the gleams for the gems.

Verse 5:-  The man who ran for the gleam of the lamp did not
find the gem, but the man who ran for the gleam of the gem
got it.

Verse 6:-  Mistaking the gleam of a lamp for a gem is called
a Vismvaadi Bhrama, ' misleading error' or an error that does
not lead to the goal.  Mistaking the gleam of a gem for a gem
is called a Samvaadi Bhrama, a 'leading error' or 'informative
error' though both are errors or wrong observations.

Verse 7:-  On seeing a mist and mistaking it for  smoke,
if a man argues the existence of fire there and goes for
getting chacoal and accidentally finds it, his mistake is
called a 'leading error' a chance coincidence. 

Verse 8:- Sprinkling on himself the water of the  River Godavari,
thinking it to be that of the River Ganga, if a man is actually
purified, this is 'leading error' or a chance coincidence.

Verse 9:-  A man suffering from a high fever repeats 'Narayana'
in delirium and dies. He goes to heaven.  This is again a 'leading

Verse 10:-  In direct perception, in inference and in the application
of scriptural authority, there are innumerable instances of such
leading errors or chance coincidences.

To be contd...

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (27)
« on: August 20, 2008, 01:53:08 PM »
The Chapter VI continues.....

Verse 287:-  Enlightened men may differ in their behaviour
because of the nature of their fructifying karma.  This
should not be make the learned think otherwise about
the truth of knowledge resulting in liberation.

Verse 288:-  Let the enlightened people behave in any
manner according to their fructifying karma, but their
knowledge is the same and their liberation is the same.

Verse 289:-  On the Supreme Consciousness, the world is
drawn like a picture on a canvas.  Thus is Maya superimposed,
on Consciousness.  When we forget the adventitious distinction,
Consciousness alone remains.

Verse 290:-  This Chapter called the Lamp of the Picture, Chitra
Deepa, when regularly studied, give an intelligent aspirant
freedom from the delusion, due to illusive appearances, even
though he may see them as before.

The chapter is concluded.

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (26)
« on: August 20, 2008, 01:45:23 PM »
The Chapter VI continues....

Verse 281:-  Of all the three virtues, the most essential is
the knowledge of the Reality as it is the direct cause of
liberation.  The other two, detachment and withdrawal are
necessary auxillaries to knowledge.

Verse 282:-  The existence of the three virtues are highly
devloped in a man is the result of merit acquired in innumberable
past lives.  The absence of any one of them is the result of some
demerit acquired in the past.

Verse 283:-  Without the knowledge of Reality even perfect
detachment and complete withdrawal from worldly actions
cannot lead to liberation.  A man endowed with detachment
and withdrawal, but failing to obtain illumination, iks reborn
in superior worlds because of great merit.

Verse 284:-  On the other hand, by the complete knowledge
of the Reality, a man is sure to have liberation, even though
his detachment and withdrawal are wanting.  But then, his
visible sufferings will not coming to an end owing to his
fructifying karma.

Verse 285:-  The height of detachment is such a conviction
of the futility of all desires that one considers like straw of
even the highest pleasures of the world of Brahma.  And
the height of spiritual knowledge is reached when one feels one's
identity with the Supreme Self as fimly as an ordinary man
instinctively feels his identity with the physical body.

Verse 286:-  The height of withdrawal from action is the
complete forgetfulness of all worldly affairs in the waking
state as in the state of deep sleep.  There are several intermediate
grades which can be known by actual observation.

Arunachala Siva.   

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Panchadasi - (25)
« on: August 20, 2008, 01:34:20 PM »
The Chapter VI continues....

Verse 262:- When a man can disidentify the Self, fom egoism,
and realize that the Self is in no way connected with egoism,
then though he may have crores of desires, they will not bind him,
because he has cut the 'knot of the conscious  with the unconscious.'

Verse 263:-  By the force of the fructifying karma, a knower may
be subject to desires, as in spite of theoretically knowing the truth,
one is not satisfied.

Verse 264:-  A man who has overcome egoity and realized the
identity with the changeless consciousness is not distressed by
desires or diseases and other changing conditions of body and
fortune, just as the growth and death of trees in a forest do not
affect him.

Verse  267:- From the point of view of the body, senses, mind
and intellect, there is no difference between the ignorant and the
illumined when they engage themselves in action or abstain from

Verse 268:-  The difference between the one who has been
initiated into the life of Brahmacharya and the one who has
not, in that the former studies the Vedas, whereas the latter
does not.  But as regards food etc., there is no difference.  The
same applies to the wise and the ignorant.

Verse 272:- (Doubt):  Why, the Puranas speak about Jadabharata
and others who were completely withdrawn and performed no
action?  (Reply):  But have you heard also the Vedas speaking of
other knowers, (like Janaka), who ate, played, and enjoyed pleasures?

Verse 273:-  Jadabharata and others never gave up food and slepp
nor were like sticks and stones.  It was becaue they were afraid
of forming attachments that they behaved as if they were completely

Verse 274:-  The man who is attached to objects is troubled
by the world.  Happiness  is enjoyed by the unattached.  Therefore,
give up attachment if you desire to be happy.

Verse 276:-  Absence of desires, knowledge of reality and withdrawal
from action, mutually assist one another.  Generally, all three of
them are found together, but sometimes separately too, without
the third.

Verse279:-  The origin of the knowledge of reality is hearing,
reflecting and meditating on the reality.  Its nature is discrimination,
between the real and the unreal.  And its result is restraint of
fresh doubts from arising.  These three are peculiar to knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Prarabdha
« on: August 20, 2008, 12:12:07 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Bhagavan's Upadesa Saram, speaks about all
the four margas.  It begins with, "Karma brings fruit, because
of God or Brahman's grace; Karma is a jada, insentient.  Karma
brings fruits, phala, merrit, but it gives rise to another birth,
because, these fruits have to be enjoyed.  Karma does not
yield liberation.  If Karma is done nishkamya, that is, without
yearning for fruit, it goes to Brahman or God, and it will mend
our path and show the way to liberation."

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (24)
« on: August 20, 2008, 12:04:18 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Thank you for your various posts on
Panchadasi.  It shows them that you have read them deeply
and have responded with explanations and seeking clarifications.
Particularly, your insights into Maya are quite welcome.  Maya
is dealt with elaborately in Viveka Choodamani and Kaivalya
Navaneetham.  I shall try to send a separate post on Maya,
based on these lights, later.  It is all Ramana-maya!

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Nescience, Maya, Avidya are all used
interchangeably in Scriptures  Maya in combination with
Sattva, Rajas and Tamo gunas, again take different forms.
This is explained and clarified in Viveka Choodamani of Sri Sankara.
I shall post a letter on this, with reference to VC, later, after
completing Panchadasi.  Thank you,

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  It is called the heart-knot.  The Chit-jada

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Awareness-Thought traffic
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:46:19 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  Yes upto Self Realization.  After that,
thought-traffic does not matter a bit.

Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: Spiritual being-Human being
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:44:57 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju & non duel,  Do not give out anger.  The anger
hits your Self.  Bhagavan says in Who am I? "Whatever one gives
to another, he is only giving to himself."

1.  To say that we are neither human beings nor spiritual beings
is not correct, in my opinion.  Underline, my opinion.

2.  Then to find out an answer, we may try this way:-

  a)We are all human beings.
  b)There is Spirit in us, the activtating force.  Hence we are also
  c)Why then, we are not able to be Spiritual but only mind and
      body beings?
  d)Because we forget the Self, like a lady who forgets the necklace
       around her neck and keep on searching.  There is anger, worry
       and fear in her.  The restlessness starts and the 'search' begins.
  e)Someone, like Bhagavan Ramana, a Guru, comes to us
       and shows the necklace.  Like the lady, who was all along
       searching for the necklace "outside", we were searching
      "outside" and then we come to know it is within us.


   c)Finally we find out that we are not mind-body beings but

Now I am starting one more round of discussions.  Should we be
only Human beings to become Spiritual Human Beings?   Then,
how about Cow Lakshmi, which got Mukti?  How about Jadabharata?

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Absolute reality
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:25:40 AM »
Dear Sankar, We are manifestations in our life and also during enquiry.
We are Reality, Brahman, at the end.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Sleep-consciousness
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:21:58 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN RAJU,  Yes. In PRAJNANA GANA, the mind is
powerless, but is not annihilated.  Sometimes, in dream state,
it acts and you become a king and marry a beautiful girl.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Attending to self
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:18:43 AM »
Dear Sankar,  Do not rush to where even the angels fear to go! Even during enquiry there is duality. Duality vanishes only when you are
self realized.  Then, there is no Subramanian, no non duel, no Sankar,
no DRPVSSN Raju, no srkudai.  One is One without a Second!

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Self-conscious being-Thought
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:15:40 AM »
Dear srkudai,  The discussions are going awesome and crazy.

1.  Thoughtlessness is not a think of being thoughtless.  It is just
being thoughtless, and that is all.  No one can think about thoughtlessness.

2.  Thoughtlessness is Self Realization.  Please see Who am I?

3.  For a Jnani who has already killed his mind, and who is ever
thoughtless, the mind is like a burnt rope.  The mind is no
longer useful.  How he does he think, how does he live in body,
how does he talk, how does he eat, how does he write, how does
he dream, how does he sleep  -  He does all this as the SELF.
When the SELF could be everywhere, all powerful, all wise, all
effulgent, does it need a mind to do all the above things that I
above mentioned?

Arunachala Siva.   

General Discussion / Re: Rise of thought-Attention
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:07:36 AM »
Dear non duel and others,  I am happy that the Forum is hotting up.
It is good.  Only when butter is heated, one can get the 'clarified'
butter, the ghee.

Dear nonduel,  You are correct.  Everyone is giving his point of view.
There is no obligation to accept.  There could be different paths.
But all roads are leading to Rome.  Ramana's path, I believe, is
the path suitable to me.  That is all. 

Dear Sankar,  What does your 'NO' indicate?  I am confused.
Please heat it up to clarify the butter.

Dear DRPVSSN RAJU and srkudai,  Good exchange of ideas.
But it is for one to take it or not.  Is it not?

Arunachala Siva.