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Dear Raju, self enquiry is doing.  Being the Self is being.  As
Bhagavan said:  Be still and your are the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

My dear 'srkuadi',  Your Ashtavakra Samhita posts are excellent.
Please continue.  I am trying to pick up my Sri Ramakrishna Math,
book, and read concurrently the passages in the same evening.
Thank you.  Your story of Ashtavakra's curse is known to be but I have forgotten it. Forgetfulness is a sin.  I am happy.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Meditation
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:50:58 AM »
Dear srkudai,  The answers for the states of meditation are slowly
coming!  Good!

Bhagavan mentions three types of meditation in Upadesa Saram,

With words audible outside,  the mantra japa,
With words within, no audible, the silent  mantra japa
No words, only a 'bhavana',  I am Siva, I am Siva   or I am Brahman
I am Brahman.

The first two  are 'thinking medittion'.  The third one, is non-
thinking'.  Bhagavan uses the word 'unnuthal' in Tamil Upadesa
Undiyar (Upadesa Saram).   Unnuthal means a bhavana.  It is
continuous like flow of oil, thyla dhara.

So meditation can be thoughtful or thoughtless.  But in the
third, there is bhavana - mental conviction.   So all are dual
and not nondual.

Arunachala Siva.   

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (32)
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:41:11 AM »
Dear Raju, Yes, faith and perseverance are the key words.
Shirdi Sai Baba also mentioned two key words:  Sraddha and Saburi.
Both Sai Baba and Bhagavan have always said:-

"Leaving all your cleverness, come unto Me.  I shall remove
the shackles of your mind."

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (31)
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:38:50 AM »
Dear Raju, Yes,  Bhagavan made it easy for the 20th and
other future centuries, without pedantics and semantics,
without verbiage.  That is why, it is Brahmasthra!

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Finite consciousness-infinite consciousness
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:32:19 AM »
Dear 'srkudai',  Yes.  The mind carries only the thoughts, and
not physical objects.  That is why the mind is a bundle of thoughts,
the "sukshuma rupa".  Bhagavan says in Who am I?, Mind carries
"the breath", which is mind's 'sthula rupa'. 

For that matter, all the senses carry only formelsss objects, the
tongue, the sweetness of halwa, the nose, the fragrance of
jasmin, the eye, the beauty of a girl, the ear, the sweetness of
the voice of M.S. Subbalaksmi, the skin, the feeling of a warm
bed on a cold night etc., They do not 'carry' the objects per se.

Again, Who am I?  -  Bhagavan's first work does not leave me!

Arunachala Siva.   

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (28)
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:25:30 AM »
Dear Raju, We are all in the same boat, seeking the grace of
our Guru, the One without a second, for this error, which is
His Grace.

Arunachala Siva. 

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (27)
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:24:10 AM »
Dear Raju, Exactly.  The Viveka Choodamani and Kaivaylaym
say that these people would behave, like children, madcaps,
drunkards, fools and persons afflicted by devils.

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Panchadasi - (26)
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:22:00 AM »
Dear Raju,  Bhagavan about this condition said the following
and flabbergasted the devotees in the Old Hall.

This is Seelpless Wakefulness
This is the Wakeful Sleep
This is the Dreamless Sleep
This is the Deep Sleep Deam.
This is the Sleepless Sleep
This is the Wakeless Wakefulness

In Tamil, Siddhas have sung:  "Thoongamal Thooongi, Sukam
peruvathu Ekkalam?"-- "When is the day, that I shall get
bliss in Sleepless Sleep?"

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Spiritual being-Human being
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:16:38 AM »
Dear Raju and non duel, the Spirit and the Human discussions
of yesterday, made me to remember a French professor, about
whom, my English professor quoted during my college days.
This French professor did not know much English and he was
conducting a class with English students.  One day, a student
was making fun in the class and he wanted to punish him.
He suddenly forgot the phrase Get Out!  and so he got out of
the class, and from the corridor, he was shouting at the student:
"Get in, Get in!".   Simlarly a student who was asked to rephrase
the follwing English sentence, with a negative, without changing
the meaning:

The Angels always like the Saints.

The correct answer would be somewhat:  The Angels did not ever
dislike the Saints.

Instead, the boy wrote:  The Devils always hate  the Saints!

In retrospect, I feel that the entire discussions on Spiritual and
Human beings are like this.

Arunachala siva.

General topics / Re: Finite consciousness-infinite consciousness
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:08:05 AM »
Dear Raju, the mind is finite consciousness and the Self is
infinite consciousness.  They are like the two sides of a coin.
"When the mind is seen, the Brahman is not seen. When
the Brahman is seen, (shines), the mind is not seen. "
(Who am I?").   Bhagavan says again, in Who am I? :
"The Real is Atma Swarupa.  The Jagat, Isvara and the
individual soul are all imaginations."

I told David Godman, that  Who am I? alone is adequate
for understanding Self-Enquiry.  All other books are details.
David agreed that Who am I alone is adequate for a sincere
'sadhak'.  Many devotees incuding a European have started
practising Self Enquiry with Who am I?.  This European has
said in 1940s that this book is adeaquate for him and refused
to take any other books from the Ashram.  When Bhagavan
said Who am I? for Sivaprakasam Pillai in 1902, He was just 21!
That is why, He is called the Brahman and we are all jivas,
and we are going round and round, like Gopis went round
Krishna.  With His abundant Grace, we shall have union
with Him one day.  The way in which I have been quoting
Who am I? I believe that this is true.

Arunachala Siva.


General topics / Re: Meditation
« on: August 21, 2008, 10:43:58 AM »
Dear Raju and non duel,  Meditation is dual, thought-involved.
It is "dhyana", as Bhagavan says in Who am I?  The meditation,
fructifies into realization of the Self.  For that matter, even
enquiry is dual, because, there is an enquirer and an enquired.
When enquiry ceases and attains the goal,  one is the Self.
That is why, I said, "thoughtlessness is self realization", but
"srkudai" is feeling otherwise.  About that, a separate post.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Seeker-Goal
« on: August 21, 2008, 10:38:11 AM »
Dear Vladimir and Raju,  All sins are predestined incidents. 
But here, what Bhagavan refers is the Forgetfulness of the Self,
which is our permanent nature and this forgetfulness is the sin.
Whether, this is also happening as pre destined, is depending
on one's carry of 'vasanas', our inherent tendencies acquired
out of previous births.

Arunachala Siva.   

General Discussion / Re: Outside-inside
« on: August 21, 2008, 10:33:47 AM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju,  When one 'looks' outside, one dreams.
The dreams are:  The world (Jagat), the individual soul (Jiva),
and the personal god (Isvara), are all dreams.  Bhagavan says:
"What is Real is Atma-Swarupa.  Jagat,Jeeva and Isvara are
imaginations." (Who am I? - 1902).  When one 'looks' inside,
one is Real, the Brahman.

Arunachala Siva.


General topics / Re: Spiritual being-Human being
« on: August 20, 2008, 07:25:56 PM »
Dear non duel and DRPVSSN Raju,  For whom is this question?
To me.  Who am I?

Who am I? is the Brahmastram of Bhagavan, the invincible

Arunachala Siva.