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Dear Ramanaduli,

Welcome to the Forum. 

1. Titiksha, persevrence or endurance is necessary not only for
Self knowledge but also for everyday life.  It is like digging a
pit in the same place, deeper and deeper, without boredom,
to get water.

2. Consciousness, Awareness and Witness also mean the Self.

3. Do not feel sad that you were not born during Bhagavan's
time.  He is timeless.  I was also thinking often why I was not
born during Bhagavan's period and was like another Ramanatha
Brahmachari, aboslutely innocent and guileless to merge with Him.
But, perhaps, we were all there in and around the Hills seeing
Ramana.  But our tapas might  not have been adequate and that
is why, we are born now.  Your 28 years of study of Ramana is
not easy joke.  You are continuing your tapas.

4. Bhagavan says that work is not a hindrance to atma vichara.
You can work with keeping Bhagavan in your mind, and the
thoughts that occur to do you work excellently, will be guided
by him.  These thoughts are not bad because they are pure thoughts
like burnt ropes.  They do not harm anyone.

5.  You continue to see everyone as Brahma Swarupam.  There is
nothing wrong.  They will appear to you as Brahma Swarupam,
because they are not other than the Self..  Their trivialities will
not be noticed by you, and these  will disappear, once you continue
this bhavana.

Arunachala Siva.

When Bhagavan was a young boy in Tiruchuzhi, whenever some
one got angry with Him or scloded Him, He used to run to the
Siva temple, Shri Bhoominathesvara, and sit in the precints of
Uma's shrine and overcome his sadness.  Uma, here, is called
Sahaayavalli,  The Mother who is the embodiment of mercy
had always been with Bhagavan Ramana, in times of distress.
In Sri Ramana Ashottaram, there is a name, which says:
Sahaayama Sahaayvan Namah:  I pray to the One who has got
the support of Sahayamba. 

Again, when He came to Tiruvannamalai after self realization,
his merger into the Self, is said to have happened only with
grace of Uma, and hence He is called, Sakti nipathane prabuddaya,
that is, One who got awakened by the touch of Godhead or Sakti,
her grace.  I pray to the One who had the touch of Sakti, Sakti nipatham.

During the early months, when He was staying in the Arunachalesvara
Temple precints, the priest served Him milk, which was used for
her abhishekam.  He got this milk collected, after the abhishekam,
and served it to Bhagavan.  For this purpose, unlike the usual proceedure,
in which milk is added with turmeric, rose water etc., the priest used
the plain milk, did the abhishekam and collected the outflowing milk
and gave it to Bhagavan.

Hence we can remember on this Durga Pooja Celebrations, how
Bhagavan, who is an avatara of Skanda, got His mother's support
for all His needs, be it consoling His sad state in Tiruchuzhi, or
to attain Self realization, or to quench his hunger and thirst during
the days in Tiruvannamalai Temple.

Arunachala Siva.


When Bhagavan was in the Hills, one day, his stomach was not
alright and He wanted to fast for the whole day.  While He was
strolling on the Hills, suddenly seven women, who were having
baskets for picking dry leaves and twigs, came to Him and asked
for water to drink.  Bhagavan gave them water and after drinking,
they invited Him to take some food also.  Bhagavan was never
refusing any offering, and He was given some gruel and other items.
He continued the stroll.  Again these seven women appeared before
Him around 3 p.m., asked for water and after drinking water and
washing their faces, they started eating and again invited Him for
taking food.  Bhagavan again had to consent and He took a share
of some more gruel and other food.  Bhagavan casually looked at
their baskets and they were empty without any dry leaves and twigs!
Then for what purpose had they come?  He was wondering!

Mother Unnamulai had sent her seven maidens (Sapta Kanya) to
feed Her son!  For Her son, Skanda, had to eat more food to cure
His stomach upset!  What a Grace!  Mother Uma is the personification
of Grace and it is She, who feeds the whole universe, with the two
measures of rice given by Her husband, Siva!   Siva is a madcap
because, after giving His wife, two measures of rice, for feeding the
entire universe, He went out for begging!  I believe this is a fit
thought on this day of Durga Pooja Celebrations.

Saint Manikkavachagar sings in Tiruvachakam:

I see Thillai, Chidambaram, full of nice palaces and flourishing wealth,
Where everybody is fed stomach-full, on every day!

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear srkudai,  Yes.  The first 6 chapters of Gita speak about Thou,
the second 6 chapters speak about That and the last six, the union
: Tat Tvam Asi.  I have also read Gambhirananda's book.  It is
wonderful.  It is also said:  The second chapter, Sankhya Yoga,
is the essence of the entire Gita.  The other chapters are all

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 02, 2008, 05:00:12 PM »
Dear Raju, Yes.  Bhagavan demonstrated what is Nishkamya
Karma or Naishkarmya Karma or Akarma, to the questioner.
Bhagavan used to prepare nice curries, sambhar and rice by
toiling for a couple of hours with kitchen workers.  But at
the lunch, He used to mix everything and took them as one
lump, without bothering about taste!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Raju,  Very much true!  Only the humble and guileless
people, who have abhorred everything, all attractions of  this
transitory world can attain the Self.  Saint Manikkavachagar,in
Potri Tiu Ahaval, The Poem on Holy Praise of Siva, says:

I should escape all the miseries that I have in my mother's womb;
I should escape all the ills of childhood;
I should escape from the nice two closely formed breasts of women  between which even a needle cannot enter!
I should escape the mad elephant of desires;
I should escape the big ocean of sciptures;
I should escape the great misery of wealth;
I should escape poisonous snake of kith and kin;
I should escape the six crores of gods, who display maya;
I should melt like wax, towards you, WHO IS WITHIN ME.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Raju,  Thank you.  Being in Bangalore, which is a multi-
lingual IT city, I know a little of spoken Kannada, but still less
of Telugu.  I used to watch the Siva Karnamrutham discourse
of one scholar in ETV at 6.15 AM everyday.  I have great respect
for this gentleman, who also discoursed on Sri Soundarya Lahari,
earlier.  I can read your English books, of course.  I am available
at C.10 Garadi Apartments, K.R. Road, Basvangudi,Bangalore 560 004.
In case any of you come down to Bangalore, they are all welcome.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Raju, It is hilarious!  I was tempted to think further:

Who would have bought Bhagavan?  Is it Paul Brunton, or
Arthur Osborne? Or, the rich Maharani of Baroda, or the
Maharaja of Mysore or Cochin?   What price they would
have paid for this Priceless Brahman?

Arunachala Siva.

Vallimalai Satchidananda Swamigal was a great Skanda (Murugan)
bkakta and he used to sing Tiruppugazh songs in the presence of
Bhagavan and others.  Ramana Himself is an avatara of Skanda,
to most of us.  There is one poem called Vedichi Kavalane!  Vedichi
means in Tamil, the hunter-girl, Valli, the consort of Skanda.
Kavalane, means the Prtotector or Husband.

One day, Satchidanada Swamigal and other devotees were singing
Vedichi Kavalane in the Hills.  It was hot and all were hungry.
At that time, Bhagavan who also knew Telugu, asked, in humour,
"Ememi Kavalane?", "Enthenthu Kavalane?", meaning in Telugu,
"What are all the things you want?  How much do you want?"
The devotees who understood Teugu, replied "Idlli kavalane,
Vadai Kavalane"  "We want idlis and we went vadais."

Lo and behold!  in the middle of the jungle, someone appeared
with basketfuls of idlis, vadais and large vessels of coffee
and everyone was served with them, to their hearts' contents.

Valli is the Consort of Siva.  In Kaumara, Skanda or Murugan
Himself is Siva and Valli is Uma.  Further, Valli is the obedient
daughter in law of Uma, because Valli is Vishnu's daughter,
and hence she is known to Uma already as her brother's

On this Durga Pooja Celebrations, it is fit to remember Valli,
the Grace of Bhagavan and Muruga, Bhagavan Himself.

Arunachala Siva.

Mahatma Gandhi had come to Tiruvannamalai, at least twice
during his South India visits.  Gandhi is a Vaishnavite, but he
had an open mind on other thoughts, like Advaita.  Rajaji
was always accompanying him while on South Indian tour.
Once someone requested Gandhi to visit Bhagavan, and he
had no hesitation, but Rajaji, who was in charge of Gandhi's
various meetings in Tiruvannamalai somehow prevented him
from meeting Bhagavan, quoting paucity of time.  Rajaji was
a die hard dualist.  Further he had poor opinion on people who
did not take part in social reforms or freedom movement and
he held Bhagavan as somebody not doing 'such work!'  When
some devotees had presented Gandhi with a copy of Aksharamana
malai and Ulladu Narpadu, Gandhi in his typical style auctioned
them, and gave the money for Harijan Welfare!

When someone mentioned this to Bhagavan, He said, "They
have not time for all these." and kept quiet.  One devotee
quipped, "Rajaji was afraid because if Gandhi had come to
Bhagavan, he would have drawn his mind into the Self and
would not leave the Asram."  Bhagavan did not react.  But,
however, when Rajendra Prasad had come and after spending
a day or two, without speaking anything, asked Bhagavan," What
is the message to Gandhi", Bhagavan had replied:  What is there
to say?  The same power working here, is working there also!"

Later, the same Rajaji, after becoming Chief Minister of Madras,
came to Tiruvannamalai in 1952 to inaugurate the renovated Patala
Lingam Shrine where Bhagavan was staying in intense tapas.
There is a marble slab to announce this in Patala Lingam Shrine.
Rajaji also visited Asram and was thrilled by the sculpture of
Sri Dakshinamoorthy in Mother's Temple.  He asked for the name
of the sculptor and the same sculptor was fixed for building Gandhi
Manatapam in Madras, later.

Gandhi used to say in humour on the morning breakfast of idlis
in Sabarmati Ashram:  " O today, it is Ramansramam idlis!"
Sarojini Naidu is reported to have composed a poem on the
soft, tasty  Ramanasramam Idlis.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Gangajal,  I never said that Atma Vichara alone confers
Atma Jnana, the Knowledge of the Self.  Bhagavan approved
all the other paths as ancillary tracts to reach the roay path
of self enquiry.  One can take an route that it suits him most.
But, at the end, he comes to the royal path.  In Sri Ramana
Pada Malai, about 3000 verses on Ramana's Feet, (which
contains many of Bhagavan's direct sayings, Muruganar says:

My Ramana's feet said: " Para Bhakti is Para Jnana.  Siva Bhakti
is Siva Jnana." 

This is also described in Upadesa Saram. 

Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: Who is great
« on: October 02, 2008, 01:48:48 PM »
Dear Raju,  Many sadhus in the Hills had tried many pranks
some even dangerous pranks, like rolling down a rock upon Bhagavan,
have been tried.  Bhagavan kept his normal Silence in these matters.
These 'sadhus' have been vividly described in Tamil, Ramana
Vijayam.  Bhagavan often used to say, that there is no 'ajnani',
there is no 'jnani', but there is only Jnana!

Arunachala Siva.

In Aruanchalesvara Temple, Tiruvannamalai, a Kalyana Mantapam
had been newly built and for the first time, the Durga Pooja
celebrations took place in it.  Apeetakuchamba, the goddess,
was beautifully decorated.  Palaniswami enjoyed seeing it and
wanted Bhagavan also to see it.  At that time, Bhagavan was
staying alone in Virupaksha Cave and only Palaniswami was with
him.  Bhagavan felt that the people would recognize him if he went
accompanied by Palaniswami or some other devotees.  So he went
alone in disguise. He wore Palaniswami's towel and put on a
vertical vermillon on the forehead like a Vaishanvite and went
to the temple around 10 pm.  He was a little worried that others
might recognize him.  So he constantly looked at other people,
and because of this he could not appreciate the beauty of Mother.
Even though this disguise did not inconvenience others, Bhagavan
was very embarassed and pained at even this small deception. He
decided to have darshan of the goddess and return quickly. 
Suddenly, one of the priests said:  "All of you please come here.
Brahmanaswami is giving darshan as Vishnu!"  So saying, he
took the garland off the goddess and put it on Bhagavan.  The
other priests also rushed in.  Bhagavan found himself in an awkward
situation.  He wanted to return immediately.  A priest put a lot
of sweet prasad on a leaf and gave it to Bhagavan.  Bhagavan
rushed back to the Virupaksha Cave.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal and Raju,  Three things as you has said are
essential for attaining the Self.  Bhagavan has also said that
the desisreless actions, bhakti, raja yoga ---  all these can only
purify the heart.  But Atman can be attained only through self
enquiry, the jnana marga.  Again the Self can be attained only
through the grace of the Self.  Here, what you have said is
correct, that is, the Isavara, has to choose the one to whom
He can reveal Himself.   That is why, I mentioned earlier in
some other post, that the symptoms can be removed to obtain
chitta shuddhi.  But the Self realization can be attained only
through annihiilation of the cause, the 'I'.  Of course, the Self
should choose you. 

Saint Manikkavachakar has said in Siva Puranam, (Decad of
Siva's immmeasurable antiquity):

Avan arulale avan thaal vanangi.....

Praying His feet through His grace.

In Reflections of the golden eyes, I mentioned about somebody,
who got Self realization, by Bhagavan's stern look for one minute!
To Lakshmanaswami, He spoke only a few words!

That is Bhagavan's choice and grace!

Arunachala Siva.

Arunachala Siva.

Subrahmanya Bharati is a great Tamil poet, who lived in self-
exile in Pondicherry, which was under French control, to escape
the British arrest.  He is a great nationalist poet, who considered
India as Bharata Mata.  He is also a devi worshipper, who sang
melodious songs on Durga, Lakshmi and Sarasvati. His songs
are quite famous even today and is sung by ladies during Durga
Pooja in Tamil Nadu.  Bharati met Bhagavan in the Hills once
and spent some time with Him and prayed for country's freedom!
Bharati died a premature death at the age of 39, in Madras,
after British lifted charges against him.

Arunachala Siva.