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47236
General topics / Re: Moksha to Bhagawan
« on: October 12, 2008, 11:11:18 AM »
Dear Dr. Raju,  There is a simlar story.  Once a visitor pestered
Bhagavan, by repeating:  Give me power to realize like Ramakrishna
gave to Vivekananda.  Bhagavan said after a while:  All right.
I shall give you.  But, are have prepared yourself like Vivekananda.
Tell me.  The visitor thought for a while and left quietly!  Again,
one Western lady came to Bhagavan in  a hurry, and exclaimed
"Bhagavan, give me salvation, give me salvation!"  Bhagavan,
as usual, kept quiet.  After a while, the lady repeated:  Give
me salvation, I have to catch a train now!"  Bhagavan did not
say anything and she left.  After that, Bhagavan said:  "She is
thinking that she can get salvation, as she purchases some grocery,
in the stores!"

Arunachala Siva.

47237
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 12, 2008, 11:04:29 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

The ignorance is alone is the villain of the peace.  Ignorance or
ajnana is one which makes us to have desires for worldly things,
do things with ego and get feelings like pain and pleasure, happiness
and misery, good and bad.  Ignorance is like darkness and the
mere presence of Knowledge removes the darkness.  The
sun or lamp should be "merely" present and it does not eradicate
the darkenss; the darkness merely disappears.

Arunachala Siva. 

47238
General Discussion / Re: SILENCE IS THE SELF
« on: October 12, 2008, 10:56:03 AM »
Dear Sankar, Yes.  Silence is where nothing else appears.  Silence
is where there are no attachments, because in non-attachment,
nothing appears.  (Who am I?)

Arunachala Siva.

47239
General Discussion / Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: October 12, 2008, 10:53:04 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

As Dr. Raju said the mind-body comlplex will not be felt after
self realization.  It will be away from him, as a skin which has
been shed by the snake.  He will be, all the time, in Brahman
and the body is appearing only from the point of view of onlookers.
He will say, "No mind, I am the Self."  He will be like a mirror,
reflecting emotions for others, as per their emotions.

Arunachala Siva.   

47240
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 11, 2008, 07:13:39 PM »
On the subject of non-doership, I shall give a quote from Annamalai
Swami -Final Talks:

Once a questioner asked:

The desire to become absorbed in the Self, seems to be some kind
of vasana.  It is still a desire, and to indulge in it implies that I must
look for something I do not already have.  With this attitude, I then
feel that I am setting up enlghtenment as some kind of a future goal,
and not something that is here and now.  There is something very
dualistic in this attitude, and I sometimes get the feeling that I am
not accepting Bhagavan's will for the present moment if I am looking
for something that is not here and now.

Annamalai Swami:

This desire is not counter productive.  The desire for enlightenment
is necessary because without it, you live never the necessary steps
to realize the Self.  A desire to walk to a particular place is necessary
before, you take any steps.  If that desire is not present, you will
never take up the first step.  When you realize the Self, that desire
will go.

Here again, it is only "the desire for enlightenment" that is, the process,
and not the Self, which is the goal.  I still feel that Bhagavan had
mentioned anything directly like the desire for the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

47241
Dear Ramanaduli,

Bhagavan Ramana said:  Simply you ask, "Who am I?" and then
go to the source of mind.  There are several ways, under Bhakti
Marga, Yoga Marga and Karma Marga.  The Jnana Marga, merely
says, You contemplate on Guru's teachings and find out who you are
and You are That.

Arunachala Siva. 

47242
General Discussion / Indian Cuisine:- (6)
« on: October 11, 2008, 10:58:40 AM »
Dear non duel, It is quite sometime, since we heard from you.
Today's menu is Kothavariakai Kootu.  Kothavaraikai is called
Indian culster beans.  It is narrower in size than the regular
beans, with a needle like top.  It is more tasty.

Cut kothavarai kai into small pieces, after throwing away the
neddle tops.  Keep them in a basin of water.  Take a pan,
put tamarind paste and water and boil it.  Add required salt,
coriander and asafoetiday.  When it is boiling, mix the cut pieces
of kothavarai kai and stir and boil it further till the whole thing
becomes a thick gravy.  Put off the burner.  Take separately,
a pan, put gingeley oil, mustard seeds, bengal gram and toor dhal
heat the mixture, till mustard seeds start bursting.  Put off the
burner and add the mixture to the thick gravy.  Add coriander
and curry leaves and stir thoroughly.

Kothavarai kai kootu is ready.  This can be taken with rice or
bread.

Arunachala Siva.

47243
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: jiddu krishnamurthy
« on: October 11, 2008, 10:50:08 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  JK did not teach vichar or enquiry.  He only
said to observe the mind and the thoughts.  Mere observations
would not quell or kill the mind.  Bhagavan says to  go to the
source of the mind or ego, that is Heart.  Bhagavan was an
example of highest conduct and simplicity.  JK was not.

Arunachala Siva. 

47244
Dear Ramanaduli,

You have asked when god and self are both the same, why are
we alone affected?  Yes, as you said, it is due to our sense of
doership.  It is the mind, the ego and the vasanas that make the
difference.

Arunachala Siva.

47245
Dear Ramanaduli,  You will be surprised to know that people
like Annamalai Swami, Lakshmana Swami, Wolter Keers, Papaji
and a few others have 'felt' the pulsation on their right sides of
their chest.

Arunachala Siva.

47246
Dear Ramanaduli,  Pasam is catch the mind that falters.  Angusam
is to punish to teach a lesson.  In Natraja idol, every thing that he
wears, be it snakes, be it Ganga, be it Brahma's skull,  be it moon,
all these have esoteric meanings.  So also the the fire, the hand-
drum and the apasmara or the demon under his right leg, all these
have inner meanings.  These are explained in a book called The
Dance of Siva, by David Smith, in his book and also in a poem
called Kunjithangri Stavvam by Umapathi Sivam, a great poet
who lived in Chidambaram.  He was doing in poojas in the Nataraja
Temple in Chidambaram and later became a Siva Yogi, an exponent
in Siva Yogam under his guru, Arul Nandi Sivam.

Arunachala Siva. 

47247
General Discussion / Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: October 10, 2008, 05:50:55 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Your question is very relevant.  The killing of
the mind is itself a difficult task, because we are so much used
to mind and ego and we always get a feeling that a killed mind
is a broken mind that is insane.  It is not.  The killing of mind is
not contaminating the mind, causing mental break-down that
we become schizophrenic or madcaps.  The killing of mind is the
state where one eternally lives in the Self, happy and blissful. 
This problem was raised earlier in the Forum and I have given
similar answers.

The question therefore remains as to how the Self realized Jnanis,
live and express emotions like human beings.  The answer is,
they live in a state of Supermind (Aurobindo) or Overmind (Zen Master
Bosho) or Pure Mind. (Bhagavan Ramana).  This mind will do all
the activities, more skillfully and display emotions, in times of need.

Bhagavan was a beautiful cook.  He can cut vegetables and stitch
leaf plates (the old type), with great dexterity.  He cried with
joy in times of joy and shed tears towards other people's sorrow.
He never shed tears for his pain and misery, that is during his
terminal cancer. He cried when Echammal came with her grandson,
crying for the demise of her daughter.  He expressed happiness,
when ganji and aviayal were served in the Asram!

This Pure Mind displays all emotions. It does not harm others,
it is like a burnt rope.
   
Arunachala Siva.

47248
Dear srkudai, Very much Yes.  If we look constantly at Siva,
with full surrender, then the ajnanam leaves us.  Then we become
vehicle for Siva. we carry Brahma Jnanam.  For the ignorant, the
world is real; during self enquiry, the world is looked upon as
unreal, like a dream.  After Self Knowledge, the world again is
real, this time, it is Brahma Swarupa.  Sri Ramakrishna's pillow
case example is quite approrpriate, let us be the cover in which
Self is always there, real, shining and blisssful.

Arunachala Siva.

47249
Dear Ramanaduli, all these 'acharams' are mental fabrications.
Certain essential codes of conduct are essential in a worldy life.
E.g. Taking bath or cleaning up the body, eating moderate sattvic
food, sleeping as many hours less as possible and the like.  Cerain
acharams are caste-dependent, like chanting gayatri, not taking
the old food of the previous day, fasting on Ekasdasi, visiting temples
on Dwadasi or Prodhasham days etc.,  But for a Jnani who has gone
beyond his mind, such rules do not apply.  For others they do apply.
One need not forcefully stop them.  They will go away, as Bhagavan
said, when the approrpriate time comes.  If you like the Agraharam
or a Brahmin's street, it is because they were clean and neat in those
days.  No smell of fish or meat, neatly dressed people, the temple
bells ringing three times near by three times a day, etc.,etc.,

Arunachala Siva.     

47250
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:49:51 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli and srkudai,  When we touch the items mentioned
by you, we are not doing anything.  Only the feeling of the touch
is there.  In case of Bhagavan too, we have to only feel Him in
our Heart, after stopping touching of other things which are worldly
and empirical.

Arunachala Siva.