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47191
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 18, 2008, 05:52:18 PM »
Dear nonduel,  on Avadhuta Gita.  I mentioned about Avadhuta having
several gurus (24 beings) which included a bird.  This story is not
available in Avadhuta Gita. I am sorry.  Avadhuta or Dattatreya is
the son of Sage Atri and Anasuya.  He had 24 gurus and a vulture was
one of his gurus.  He saw a vulure flying with a piece of meat on its
beak, and several vultures chased it to grab the meat.  The bird
decided to drop it and lo and behlold,  after dropping the meat,
all other birds left it.  Avadhuta learned that once you leave your
possesions, nobody will come near you.  Thus he held the bird as
his guru!  The story appears in Markendaya Purana.  There are also
books narrating Dattatreya Charitra.  About Avadhuta Gita per se,
which is a pure advaita text, without stories, I shall write separately.

Arunachala Siva.   

47192
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 18, 2008, 04:49:25 PM »
Dear nonduel, your two posts.  Scriptures mention three types of
'dikshas' that is,  Sparsa diksha, Sakshu diksha, Mano-diksha
or Bhavana diksha.  The first is by touch, like hen touching the egg
for hatching.  The second is by look, like fish looking at the eggs.  The
third is by thinking, like tortoise thinking about the eggs on the shore.
Bhagavan used sparsa diksha very rarely.  He used looking more
often.  Kayvya kanta Muni has said:  "Do not sit directly before the
Bhagavan!  If He looks at you, the hrudaya kranthi (the knots) gets
snapped immediately and you will not go back to your family!"  In 108
holy names on Bhagavan, there are names Pullambuja Vilochanaya Namah,
that is one who looks at others with eyes like red lotuses.  Again,
Uttheepata Nayanaya Namah, one who has got a look like piercing
arrow!  Bhagavan used mano diksha or bhavana diksha very rarely.
(Do not ask how can He think?).  The first two were used when He
was in body.  The third one, He uses even today.  But the third one is
a two way process.  If one thinks of Him, He will think of him.  If one
has conviction (Bhavana), He will have the bhavana on him.  Hence
there is no need for Bhagavan (or any Guru) to be in body.  His
Presence (Sannidhya) will do but this requires our thinking and
conviction.  The only test is whether you get peace. 

Avdhuta Gita, the English translation of Ramakrishna Math is
excellent.  For that matter, all advaita books of Ramakrishna Math
are quite good. 

I have not read "No mind, I am the Self."  Hence I cannot write about
Sri Lakshmanaswami's book.

Arunachala Siva.       

47193
Nirvana Shatkam, Six Verses on Liberation, is a brief poem by
Sankara, describing the state of liberation and liberated soul.
When one reads this, one cannot but think about Bhagavan
Ramana Maharshi's state, when He was in body.  The poem
is what Bhagavan lived for 54 years in Tiruvannamalai.  You
can observe the same vein in Who am I? of Bhagavan, when
He told this to Sivaprakasam Pillai, in 1902, when He was only
22.  A sample,

Om, I am neither the mind, intelligence, ego nor chitta*
Neither the ears nor the tongue, nor the senses of smell and sight,
Neither ether nor air nor fire nor water nor earth,
I am the Eternal Bliss and Awareness,
I am Siva, I am Siva!

I am neither the prana nor the five vital breaths,
Neither the seven elements of the body, nor its five sheaths,
Nor hands nor feet nor tongue nor other organs of action,
I am the Eternal Bliss and Awareness,
I am Siva, I am Siva.

All the five pranas, five cognitive organs, five conative organs,
seven humours, mind, intellect, buddhi and chitta*, ajnana**
have been detailed by Bhagavan in Who am I?  See Arthur
Osborne's translation.

* chitta, is the seat of memory
** ajnana is the state which we experience in sleep, with
only nescience or vasanas.   

Arunachala Siva.

47194
General Discussion / Re: HOW TO KILL THE MIND
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:43:29 AM »
Dear Sankar, What is it that mind does?  It produces the thoughts,
limitless thoughts.  If you cease to think, that is, when thoughts
are annihilated, the mind is killed.  Arunachala Siva.

47195
General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Dear Sankar, It is the One, which shines within, when you
cease ask all questions including, What is it?  It is beyond words
and cannot be had by mere questioning.  The only question
Bhagavan recommended is:  Who am I?  Arunachala Siva. 

47196
General Discussion / Re: KEY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:39:26 AM »
Dear Sankar, You are quite correct.  Removing all other thoughts,
Bhagavan says, will take you to the Heart, the Self.  Of course,
that is the most difficult one for anybody and Bhagavan's Grace
is necessary and essential.  Arunachala Siva.

47197
General Discussion / Re: GURU POORNIMA
« on: July 18, 2008, 11:36:43 AM »
Thank you Sankar.  We are thinking about  the Hill from afar and it is
the Power beyond words.  Arunachala Mahatmiyam says that the
Hill will confer liberation even to those, who think of It from afar.
Arunachala Siva.

47198
Dear srkudai, I agree with you. When the film is over, the
Screen alone remains.  There is no film, no 'seen', only the
'seer', the Screen.  Arunachala Siva.

47199
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: fighting with ego
« on: July 17, 2008, 06:26:00 PM »
Dear srkudai, you are correct.  Everything is relative be it mind,
ego or self (jiva).  Only Brahman is the Absolute Truth, where
there is no relativity, the One without a second.  Brahman has only
one quality, "the brahmityam" that is, attractiing the jiva like a
magnet.  This is again the scholar's perception!   You are talking
about eeg for Bhagavan's brain.  But some devotees had touched
His Heart, on the right side!  And found to their horripliation, there
was regular three-beat, with a break of a few seconds!  Sat-Chit-
Anandam,  Sat-Chit-Anandam, Sat-Chit-Anandam!

Arunachala Siva.

47200
Vishnu Shatpadi, six verses on Vishnu, is again a small work
by Sankara, which again describes the seeker's craving for
the Godhead.

A sample,

Save me from pride, O Vishnu! curb my restless mind
Still my thirst for the waters of this world's mirage
Be gracious Lord! to  this Thy humble creature
And rescue him, from the ocean of the world.

Even when I am not duality's slave, O Lord,
The Truth is that I am Thine and not that Thou art mine
The waves may belong to the ocean,
But the ocean never belongs to the waves!

Arunachala Siva.     

47201
General topics / Kaupina Panchakam by Sankara
« on: July 17, 2008, 05:06:32 PM »
Kaupina Panchakam, Five Verses on Loin-cloth, is a small
poem of Sankara, which aptly describes Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.
A sample:-

Witnessing the changes of the mind and body
Naught but the Self within him beholding
Heedless of outer, of inner, of middle,
Blest indeed is the wearer of loin-cloth!

Chanting Brahman, the Word of redemption
Meditating only on " I am Brahman"
Living on alms and wandering freely
Blest indeed is the wearer of loin-cloth!

Arunachala Siva.

47202
General Discussion / Re: WHAT IS LIFE?
« on: July 17, 2008, 04:56:11 PM »
When the mind is killed, you are the Self.  Satyam-Nyayam-Dharmam,
Satyam-Sivam-Sundaram, Prajna Parimita, Existence-Knowledge-Bliss,
Maha Sunya, ALL these are names.  Who cares?  If one becomes
the Sugar candy, what does it matter to you, if one calls it sweet, another
sour and the third bitter?  If you are the Rose, what does it matter to
you, if one calls it pink, another green and the third black?
Arunachala Siva. 

47203
All the mind's dangerous mischief stopped, albeit temporarily for me
for about 15 days, when the computer stopped working.  Silence
prevailed.  Today the mischief starts, "manam enum mayak kurangu..."
the seemingly unreal monkey of the mind!  Arunachala Siva.

47204
General Discussion / Re: WHAT IS TRUTH?
« on: July 17, 2008, 04:47:40 PM »
Dear Sankar, Truth is That, in which one merges, in a deep sleep,
where all the mind's mischief ceases. If you stop all the mind's
mischief, by killing it,  as in dreamless deep sleep, you are the Self, the Truth, the One without a second. There, not only the world, even
your personal god cease to exist.  Arunachala Siva. 

47205
General Discussion / Re: Perth, Ausrtalia devotees?
« on: July 17, 2008, 04:39:09 PM »
Dear aio, the details regarding Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai,
have been extensively posted by me and others in response to
similar questions by others.  Please see the points given by
various Forum members under 'Arunachala Ramana - Ashram'.
Arunachala Siva.