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Vallimalai Satchidananda Swamigal was a great Skanda (Murugan)
bkakta and he used to sing Tiruppugazh songs in the presence of
Bhagavan and others.  Ramana Himself is an avatara of Skanda,
to most of us.  There is one poem called Vedichi Kavalane!  Vedichi
means in Tamil, the hunter-girl, Valli, the consort of Skanda.
Kavalane, means the Prtotector or Husband.

One day, Satchidanada Swamigal and other devotees were singing
Vedichi Kavalane in the Hills.  It was hot and all were hungry.
At that time, Bhagavan who also knew Telugu, asked, in humour,
"Ememi Kavalane?", "Enthenthu Kavalane?", meaning in Telugu,
"What are all the things you want?  How much do you want?"
The devotees who understood Teugu, replied "Idlli kavalane,
Vadai Kavalane"  "We want idlis and we went vadais."

Lo and behold!  in the middle of the jungle, someone appeared
with basketfuls of idlis, vadais and large vessels of coffee
and everyone was served with them, to their hearts' contents.

Valli is the Consort of Siva.  In Kaumara, Skanda or Murugan
Himself is Siva and Valli is Uma.  Further, Valli is the obedient
daughter in law of Uma, because Valli is Vishnu's daughter,
and hence she is known to Uma already as her brother's

On this Durga Pooja Celebrations, it is fit to remember Valli,
the Grace of Bhagavan and Muruga, Bhagavan Himself.

Arunachala Siva.

Mahatma Gandhi had come to Tiruvannamalai, at least twice
during his South India visits.  Gandhi is a Vaishnavite, but he
had an open mind on other thoughts, like Advaita.  Rajaji
was always accompanying him while on South Indian tour.
Once someone requested Gandhi to visit Bhagavan, and he
had no hesitation, but Rajaji, who was in charge of Gandhi's
various meetings in Tiruvannamalai somehow prevented him
from meeting Bhagavan, quoting paucity of time.  Rajaji was
a die hard dualist.  Further he had poor opinion on people who
did not take part in social reforms or freedom movement and
he held Bhagavan as somebody not doing 'such work!'  When
some devotees had presented Gandhi with a copy of Aksharamana
malai and Ulladu Narpadu, Gandhi in his typical style auctioned
them, and gave the money for Harijan Welfare!

When someone mentioned this to Bhagavan, He said, "They
have not time for all these." and kept quiet.  One devotee
quipped, "Rajaji was afraid because if Gandhi had come to
Bhagavan, he would have drawn his mind into the Self and
would not leave the Asram."  Bhagavan did not react.  But,
however, when Rajendra Prasad had come and after spending
a day or two, without speaking anything, asked Bhagavan," What
is the message to Gandhi", Bhagavan had replied:  What is there
to say?  The same power working here, is working there also!"

Later, the same Rajaji, after becoming Chief Minister of Madras,
came to Tiruvannamalai in 1952 to inaugurate the renovated Patala
Lingam Shrine where Bhagavan was staying in intense tapas.
There is a marble slab to announce this in Patala Lingam Shrine.
Rajaji also visited Asram and was thrilled by the sculpture of
Sri Dakshinamoorthy in Mother's Temple.  He asked for the name
of the sculptor and the same sculptor was fixed for building Gandhi
Manatapam in Madras, later.

Gandhi used to say in humour on the morning breakfast of idlis
in Sabarmati Ashram:  " O today, it is Ramansramam idlis!"
Sarojini Naidu is reported to have composed a poem on the
soft, tasty  Ramanasramam Idlis.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Gangajal,  I never said that Atma Vichara alone confers
Atma Jnana, the Knowledge of the Self.  Bhagavan approved
all the other paths as ancillary tracts to reach the roay path
of self enquiry.  One can take an route that it suits him most.
But, at the end, he comes to the royal path.  In Sri Ramana
Pada Malai, about 3000 verses on Ramana's Feet, (which
contains many of Bhagavan's direct sayings, Muruganar says:

My Ramana's feet said: " Para Bhakti is Para Jnana.  Siva Bhakti
is Siva Jnana." 

This is also described in Upadesa Saram. 

Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: Who is great
« on: October 02, 2008, 01:48:48 PM »
Dear Raju,  Many sadhus in the Hills had tried many pranks
some even dangerous pranks, like rolling down a rock upon Bhagavan,
have been tried.  Bhagavan kept his normal Silence in these matters.
These 'sadhus' have been vividly described in Tamil, Ramana
Vijayam.  Bhagavan often used to say, that there is no 'ajnani',
there is no 'jnani', but there is only Jnana!

Arunachala Siva.

In Aruanchalesvara Temple, Tiruvannamalai, a Kalyana Mantapam
had been newly built and for the first time, the Durga Pooja
celebrations took place in it.  Apeetakuchamba, the goddess,
was beautifully decorated.  Palaniswami enjoyed seeing it and
wanted Bhagavan also to see it.  At that time, Bhagavan was
staying alone in Virupaksha Cave and only Palaniswami was with
him.  Bhagavan felt that the people would recognize him if he went
accompanied by Palaniswami or some other devotees.  So he went
alone in disguise. He wore Palaniswami's towel and put on a
vertical vermillon on the forehead like a Vaishanvite and went
to the temple around 10 pm.  He was a little worried that others
might recognize him.  So he constantly looked at other people,
and because of this he could not appreciate the beauty of Mother.
Even though this disguise did not inconvenience others, Bhagavan
was very embarassed and pained at even this small deception. He
decided to have darshan of the goddess and return quickly. 
Suddenly, one of the priests said:  "All of you please come here.
Brahmanaswami is giving darshan as Vishnu!"  So saying, he
took the garland off the goddess and put it on Bhagavan.  The
other priests also rushed in.  Bhagavan found himself in an awkward
situation.  He wanted to return immediately.  A priest put a lot
of sweet prasad on a leaf and gave it to Bhagavan.  Bhagavan
rushed back to the Virupaksha Cave.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal and Raju,  Three things as you has said are
essential for attaining the Self.  Bhagavan has also said that
the desisreless actions, bhakti, raja yoga ---  all these can only
purify the heart.  But Atman can be attained only through self
enquiry, the jnana marga.  Again the Self can be attained only
through the grace of the Self.  Here, what you have said is
correct, that is, the Isavara, has to choose the one to whom
He can reveal Himself.   That is why, I mentioned earlier in
some other post, that the symptoms can be removed to obtain
chitta shuddhi.  But the Self realization can be attained only
through annihiilation of the cause, the 'I'.  Of course, the Self
should choose you. 

Saint Manikkavachakar has said in Siva Puranam, (Decad of
Siva's immmeasurable antiquity):

Avan arulale avan thaal vanangi.....

Praying His feet through His grace.

In Reflections of the golden eyes, I mentioned about somebody,
who got Self realization, by Bhagavan's stern look for one minute!
To Lakshmanaswami, He spoke only a few words!

That is Bhagavan's choice and grace!

Arunachala Siva.

Arunachala Siva.

Subrahmanya Bharati is a great Tamil poet, who lived in self-
exile in Pondicherry, which was under French control, to escape
the British arrest.  He is a great nationalist poet, who considered
India as Bharata Mata.  He is also a devi worshipper, who sang
melodious songs on Durga, Lakshmi and Sarasvati. His songs
are quite famous even today and is sung by ladies during Durga
Pooja in Tamil Nadu.  Bharati met Bhagavan in the Hills once
and spent some time with Him and prayed for country's freedom!
Bharati died a premature death at the age of 39, in Madras,
after British lifted charges against him.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: What is not Meditation
« on: September 30, 2008, 02:22:05 PM »
Dear Raju, Yes I agree.  The mouna diksha is the speciality
of Bhagavan Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear gangajal, I agree with skrudai, that, it is the cause that
one should correct and not the symptoms, even though the
process is very very difficult and is hard to put into practice.

I wrote sometime back, about a man who had monkey around his
neck and did not know how to get rid of it.  One doctor said,
"you sedate the monkey so that the monkey will not trouble you."
Another said, 'i shall sedate you so that you will not be worrying
about the monkey."  The third one, who came, cut the knot
that was tying the monkey with the man and the man was free!
Later, the man came to the third doctor and said, 'I am a little
restless becuase the monkey is no longer there and I was so
much used to it."  Then, the docor painted a monkey picture
on his chest and said, "Here is your monkey and be happy."

All English medicines correct the symptoms.  If there is a head
give a pain killer.  If there is insomonia, give sleeping tablet.
But native Indian medicines attacked the cause.  Even though
the process is difficult and takes a long time, the cure is

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Instant Liberation.
« on: September 30, 2008, 11:54:58 AM »
Dear Gangajal, This ego of knowledge was termed as Suddha
Manas by Bhagavan.  It is like a burnt rope, will not harm

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: What is not Meditation
« on: September 30, 2008, 11:43:37 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Adding to what has been said by Raju,
the Guru is both the Self and the Grace.  The grace is
inseparable from Guru's nature, which is the Self.  Guru
initiates the disciple under three types.  Thorugh, look,
sakshu diksha, through his 'thought', mano diksha and
through touch, sparsa diksha.  This is explained in Arunachala

Nokkiye karudhi mey thakkiye.......

These methods are compared to the look of fish towards its
eggs, to the thought of tortoise towards its eggs and the
touch of the hen towards its eggs.

I am for one who believes that there is no need for a Guru to
be in living form.  Guru is beyond the body and hence he need
not be alive, to grace his devotees.  David Godman came to
Bhagavan only in 1976 and he is Self realized and is giving new
insights into Bhagavan's teachings.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Druga Pooja Celebrations
« on: September 29, 2008, 11:53:19 AM »
Today is the commencement of Durga Pooja Celebrations.
This festival of 10 days, is celebrated in West Bengal, Karnataka
and Tamil Nadu, with much more festivity than in other states.
Durga takes different weapons from different gods and also
different gods in their feminine forms to fight the demons.
Kaumari, Vaishanvi, Maahendri, Brami, to mention a few.
This morning, I was thinking why She should take different
weapons from different gods.  Was not the trident sufficient?
Then, I thought, esoterically these may mean different things.
Like we should have different qualties to fight against different
vices.  Perseverence for pain, Patience for the anger, Tolerance
for misdeeds of others, Concentration for overcoming distracting
thoughts, Meditation for the fleeting mind etc.,

Arunachala Siva.         

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Instant Liberation.
« on: September 29, 2008, 11:38:46 AM »
Dear skrudai,  Very much yes!  Incompleteness, gives us troubles
even in our ordinary lives.  This is called 'Gestalt' in management.
There is a book called Gestalt Therapy, by a behavioural scientist.
For example, You shout at your wife or child and go to sleep.  You
cannot get sleep, because your gestalt is incomplete.  Either
you wife or your child should say: "Sorry, I won't do it again."
Or, you should say: "I am sorry, I was too angry for nothing."
Then, the Geslalt is complete.

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Instant Liberation.
« on: September 28, 2008, 11:45:02 AM »
Dear srkudai and gangajal,  That state is Naishkarmya Siddhi!
Doing all karmas without the sense of doership.

Aruanchala Siva.

Dear srkudai, gangajal and others,

Bhagavan says, that when we obtain the thing that we desired or
when something bad happens to the thing that we hated, the
mind goes inwards and experiences the bliss. (Who am I?)
All the emotions, good and bad, on culmination get only the bliss
of the Self.  But this is temprorary, bliss.  After one such attainment
of bliss, we go to something else.  Like a man suffering in the scroching
sun, going to the tree shade, and again coming out to the schorching
sun!  (Again, Who am I?)  Once we know, how to remain in the shade,
permanently, that is Jnana.

Arunachala Siva.