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46966
Dear Dr. Raju,  Yes.  We are ever thankful to Mother Azhagamma
for starting the cooking in the Asram.  While she was glad to feed
anyone, she had some orthodox views of a brahmin, which were 
not unexpected those days.  She wanted to feed coolies and wood
cutters of the Hill, only after her eating. Bhagavan condemned the
practice with subtle humour.  Once when some woodcutter came
hungry, Bhagavan asked Amma to feed him.  She said she had not
eaten still.  Bhagavan said, "What if?  You feed him and you can
eat later."  Amma agreed but was weeping thereafter and she
did not eat on that day.  Anyhow her false dharmas left her in
due course.  She was against onion and garlic, which brahmins
particularly widowed brahmins kept up those days.  Bhagavan showed
His disinclination for this practice and told her:  What! these small
bulbous things, are they going to stand at the entrance of Heavans
and prevent you from entering there?  Needless to say that she
left this prohibition in due course.  Once Bhagavan said about her
'acharam', "Look!  Kunju has touched your drying up clothes, by
mistake.  Go, wash it once again and you also take bath!"  This
acharam had also left her and she became ready for self knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.     

46967
Today is Vijaya Dasami.  I want to write about Mother Azhagamma.
She first came to look for her son, after Bhagavan's  running way
to Tiruvannamalai, only in December 1898, about 28 months' later.
Bhagavan gave her a note and she had to leave.  Again she came
after 15 years, in 1913.  She came with her daughter in law,
Smt. Mangalam, wife of Nagasundaram, who later became Chinnaswami.
Again for the third time, she came in 1914.  Finally she came in 1916,
and stayed with Bhagavan till her mahasamadhi, in 1922, six
years later.

What was Mother Azhagamma's contribution?  Giving food to others!
She was the Annapurani!  She started cooking in Virupaksha Cave
and later in Skandasramam, where only Bhagavan, Kunju Swami
and a few others were eating.  Later these aditis became ten,
twenty and so on.  Swami Suddandha Bharati, who wrote Tamil
bliography says:  She virtually started a Vaisvanara Yagnam, opening
fire to cook and give food to others.  This sacrifice continues unabated, the fire started by her is still burning in Sri Ramansramam!  Today,
for both the sessions, as many as 200 devotees and visitors and
about equal number of sadhus and beggars are taking food in
Sri Ramanasramam.

On this day of Durga Pooja Celebrations,  Vijaya Dasami,
let us pray to that Annapurani, the conferer of food, which is
the foremost need for any person, without which no philosphy,
arts and sciences would enter one's mind.

Arunachala Siva.         

46968
General topics / Re: Chetharai pol thiri
« on: October 09, 2008, 10:31:45 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, As Dr. Raju said, Bhagavan was the moving
Brahman.  He was the Brahman who came as sugar candy,
for others to taste.  Chetharai pol tiri, means live like a dead
man and move around the world.   We are all doing that when
we are asleep.  Once we get up in the morning, we starting thinking
of so many things.  Today is Vijaya dasami, I should complete the
pooja and then read a few books like Annamalai Swami - Final talks,
etc., etc., All this happens because of the ego.  An ego less person
can live and move around like a dead man.  Without doership and
yet doing a lot of things in life.  They also say in Tamil, live like
a shadow.  The shadow of a man does not feel joy or sorrow,
pain or pleasure, but still it moves about with the man.

Arunachala Siva.   

46969
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 09, 2008, 10:25:26 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Yes.  Tirumoolar said:  You cut the desires
all the desires, even your desire with the Self or God.  He has
advocated desisrelessness towards the Self also.  But let us hear
the others.  And then work out the final answer.  Once Visvanathaswami's brother who was a Gandhian and a freedom
fighter came to the Asram.  He had no faith in castes etc., Despite
being a Brahmin, he deliberately sat in a non brahmin's row for
meals.  Bhagavan said that even the desirelessness to sit in
a brahmin's row for meals is also a desire!  The Self is beyond
the desires and non desires!  What do you say for this?

Arunachala Siva. 

46970
Dear Ramanaduli,  As srkudai, said if someone does not listen to
you, do not get upset.  Dwell in the satisfaction that you have told
them what they or you should do.  Non listening to our words is
the way for them.  Your way is to tell them at the proper time and
leave it at that.  You can say your son or grandson to study well
because exams are nearing.  If he does not listen and keep watching
TV, it is his prarabdha.  You have given the cautiion and that is all.
So in the office and other places.  You have to derive the satisfaction
that you have told them what should be done at the appropriate time.
Things will take place according to individual's prarabdha.  Like
the apple falling from tree, at the appropriate time, regardless
of your wish.

Arunachala Siva.   

46971
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: October 08, 2008, 06:56:09 PM »
Dear Ramanduli,  Bhagavan Ramana's life was the personification
of silence and Sri Dakshinamoorthy.  He taught as was done by
the Adi Guru, in silence.  Mouna vaakya...  The sincere seekers
understood the Self, Para Brahma Tattvam....  They had all their
doubts cleared without asking for any clarification.  Sishyashtu
Chinna samsaya.....Dakshina also means in Sanskrit, the right side.
Bhagavan always sat with His chin turned slightly towards right.
If one stays in the South, and sees the Guru, who is the Spiritual
North Pole, who is seeing the Southern direction, (dakshinam), and looks
at Him and then on one's right, one will see the East.  The East is where the Sun rises. The Sun of Knowledge can be experienced if you turn towards the north and then look at your rigtht side. 

One of the 108 Holy Names of Bhagavan, one is:

Sri Dakshinabhi mukayai Namah:

Arunachala Siva.
   

46972
General Discussion / Re: Does the self realised person sleep.
« on: October 08, 2008, 03:51:23 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Jnani's emotions are towards the whole universe
and its inhabitants.   This is called Cosmic Consciousness, by Swami
Vivekananda.  He once woke up from sleep suddenly and when
people around him asked him what was the matter, he replied,
"There is something wrong somewhere."  Next morning, news
papers flashed news about an earthquake in a far off place and
several people had died.  Bhagavan also displayed such emotions.

Regarding sleep and wakefulness, Bhagavan once flabbergasted
the devotees saying that it is sleepless sleep, wakeful sleep,
wakeless wakefulness and sleeping wakefulness!  Saint Tayumanavar
asked Siva:

"Thoongamal thoongi sugam peruvathu ekkalam?

O Siva. when shall I get the bliss of sleepless sleep?

This may perhaps be called Turiya or Turiuyateetham.

Arunachala Siva.

46973
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 08, 2008, 02:12:44 PM »
Dear srkudai, I shall give you a puzzle.  All of you can give their
views.  Is Desiring the Self, a desire or not?

Arunachala Siva.

46974
General Discussion / Re: when "I" ness starts in our system
« on: October 08, 2008, 11:53:51 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, As Dr. Raju said, the 'I' ness starts the moment
you identify yourself as the body.  In the morning as you wake up,
you become aware of your body, which was absent during the sleep,
and with that the 'I'ness, the false ego starts its game.

Arunachala Siva. 

46975
General Discussion / Re: unconditional love when it is possble
« on: October 08, 2008, 11:49:00 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Unconditional love is possible with constant
practice, to abhor hate which is an antithesis for love.  Do not
expect anything in exchange and love others and that is unconditonal
love. Bhagavan says: "One who gives others, is giving it for himself.
If one understands this, how can anyone be without giving!" (Who
am I?)  If you love others, you are loving yourself.  If you hate
others, you are hating yourself.  If you give more than the usual
fare to the autorickshaw fellow, even if he does not thank you,
and you do not expect it and you get immense happiness.  If you
argue with him on the fare, and even if he does not get angry,
illfeelings come to your mind.  Try this. Again Manikkavachagar!
He is not leaving me today.  He says in Kuzhaittha Pathu, Decad
on my melting!

You know all that I want from you,
You will give me all that I want,
You are unreachable for Brahma and Vishnu, (who want you in
  exchange for their love to you)
You wanted me and took me as your servant,
You gave me your Grace, without my wanting anything in exhange for
        you,
And if I do not want even that,
And you give me something else, even that is your Grace!

Arunachala Siva.       

46976
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: October 08, 2008, 11:32:56 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Do not feel ever disheartened.  He "thinks" about who "think" of Him.
This "mano diksha" is ever available, even after His Maha Nirvana.
One day, you will sing: "Enna punniya seithen, Ramana, indha
ramana duli, un arulai pera..."  Again Manikkavachakar!  He says
in Kovil Tirup Padigam, Decad on Kovil, Chidambaram,

O Siva, you have given me and taken this poor me!
Who is cleverer in  the two?
I got from you limitless Bliss,
What have you got from this lowly me?
O my Siva, you have taken my Heart as your Temple, but live in
  Tirupperundurai,
O my father, you have taken my lowly body as your abode,
What can gift can I give you in exchange?   

Arunachala Siva. 

46977
General Discussion / Re: KEY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: October 08, 2008, 11:21:49 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

When Bhagavan's mother, Azhagamma cried, when Bhagavan
chided her for asking greens from Akhilandamma, He did not
cry.  He made her to cry and understand the ignorance behind
such pettty desires in life.  Bhagavan cried when Echammal brought
her grandson, when her daughter had died, and cried uncontrollably.
It was not to indicate her ignorance.  He reallly cried.  Because
a Brahma Jnani is like a mirror, and He will mirror the feelings
of the person who is looking at a mirror!  Saint Manikkavachagar
said in Tiruvachakam, "Aanal, Azhudhal Unnaip Peralame!"
-- O Siva! But, would I not get you, if I cry...  Saint Arunagiri Natha says
in Seer Padha Vaguppu, The Poem on the beautiful feet of Muruga,
"Azhuthu Thozhuthu Urugumavar, Arai Koovi Aalvadhuvum...."
"O Muruga! You will come and rule, those who cry, pray and melt
at your feet!"

Arunachala Siva.


     

46978
General Discussion / Re: Does the self realised person sleep.
« on: October 08, 2008, 11:10:31 AM »
Dear Raamanaduli and Dr. Raju,

I do not know about Shirdi Sai Baba.  But Bhagavan did sleep and
even snore.  His sleep was quite peculiar.  He never slept with his
back on the couch.  He was always slanting and slept for a few
hours.  He used to get up around 2.30 AM!  There is one instance,
where He has said that He has also got dreams.  When someone
asked what sort of dreams He had, He said He used to see Temples,
Sivalingam and the caves inside the Hills and Siddhas and teasures
inside the Hills. 

A Brahma Jnani can sleep, dream, wakefulness.  He can eat and
drink, go for natural calls, can have his teeth brushed, can take
bath etc., He can show his joy, his pains, shed tears etc.,  These
emotions are of course totally under the Jnani's control.  When
Echammal came to Bhagavan with her grandson and cried about
her daughter's demise, Bhagavan cried profusely.  He expressed
joy, when rice gruel and avial were served in the Asram!  He
expressed pain, when the monkey, Nondi Paiyan was harmed.

Arunachala Siva.       

46979
Dear srkudai,  The Tiruvannamalai heat is world-famous.  When
I went there recently, and was staying in Morvi Guest House of the
Asram, there was a powercut around 12 noon and it lasted for 3
hours.  Even though I was fretting initially, I thought this is the
time, to feel that I am not having body consciousness!  Bhagavan
had walked on the Hills, without footwear in that hot sun.  Those
days even an electric fan was not there in the Old Hall.  I thought
should I not practice, even 1/1 billion of the times of what
Bhagvan had experienced?  The Ramana Ashottaram has the
last name as:  Om Purushottamaya Namah.  He is the Purusha,
the Only and the Highest Male Princilple in the universe.  We
are all jivas, the little female principles.  We are going round and round 
of Him, like gopikas had gone around Krishna in Kokulam.  One
day we shall merge in Him, our prarabdha permitting.  His Grace
will do the needful.

Arunachala Siva.

46980
Dear venkat 61, Your post reminded me of Kanchi Acharya,
Sri Chandrasekhara Sarasvati.  There are a few things concerning
both Bhagavan Ramana and Sri Chandrasekara.

1. It is Kanchi Mahaswami, who said:  Ramana is an avatara
of Kumarila Bhatta, the exponent of karma marga, who is now
advocating Pure Jnana.  Kavyakanta of course called Bhagavan,
as an avatara of both Kumarila Bhatta and Jnana Sambandha.

2.  It is Kanchi Mahaswami who directed Paul Brunton to
Bhagavan Ramana.

3.  The common devotees of Bhagavan Ramana and Sri Chandra
sekhara wanted to arrange for a meeting between Bhagavan Ramana
and Sri Chandrasekhara when the latter had come down to Tiru-
vannamalai.  The meeting was fixed at Pala Kottu.  Somehow,
the meeting did not come through.

David Godman says while Kanchi Mahaswami was a champion
of dharma, Bhagavan was a champion of Atma, which is beyond
both dharma and adharma.  However, both came and did the work
for which they had come to this earth.  It is difficult to see such
phenomena for another 1000 years!

Arunachala Siva.