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46951
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 11, 2008, 07:13:39 PM »
On the subject of non-doership, I shall give a quote from Annamalai
Swami -Final Talks:

Once a questioner asked:

The desire to become absorbed in the Self, seems to be some kind
of vasana.  It is still a desire, and to indulge in it implies that I must
look for something I do not already have.  With this attitude, I then
feel that I am setting up enlghtenment as some kind of a future goal,
and not something that is here and now.  There is something very
dualistic in this attitude, and I sometimes get the feeling that I am
not accepting Bhagavan's will for the present moment if I am looking
for something that is not here and now.

Annamalai Swami:

This desire is not counter productive.  The desire for enlightenment
is necessary because without it, you live never the necessary steps
to realize the Self.  A desire to walk to a particular place is necessary
before, you take any steps.  If that desire is not present, you will
never take up the first step.  When you realize the Self, that desire
will go.

Here again, it is only "the desire for enlightenment" that is, the process,
and not the Self, which is the goal.  I still feel that Bhagavan had
mentioned anything directly like the desire for the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

46952
Dear Ramanaduli,

Bhagavan Ramana said:  Simply you ask, "Who am I?" and then
go to the source of mind.  There are several ways, under Bhakti
Marga, Yoga Marga and Karma Marga.  The Jnana Marga, merely
says, You contemplate on Guru's teachings and find out who you are
and You are That.

Arunachala Siva. 

46953
General Discussion / Indian Cuisine:- (6)
« on: October 11, 2008, 10:58:40 AM »
Dear non duel, It is quite sometime, since we heard from you.
Today's menu is Kothavariakai Kootu.  Kothavaraikai is called
Indian culster beans.  It is narrower in size than the regular
beans, with a needle like top.  It is more tasty.

Cut kothavarai kai into small pieces, after throwing away the
neddle tops.  Keep them in a basin of water.  Take a pan,
put tamarind paste and water and boil it.  Add required salt,
coriander and asafoetiday.  When it is boiling, mix the cut pieces
of kothavarai kai and stir and boil it further till the whole thing
becomes a thick gravy.  Put off the burner.  Take separately,
a pan, put gingeley oil, mustard seeds, bengal gram and toor dhal
heat the mixture, till mustard seeds start bursting.  Put off the
burner and add the mixture to the thick gravy.  Add coriander
and curry leaves and stir thoroughly.

Kothavarai kai kootu is ready.  This can be taken with rice or
bread.

Arunachala Siva.

46954
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: jiddu krishnamurthy
« on: October 11, 2008, 10:50:08 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  JK did not teach vichar or enquiry.  He only
said to observe the mind and the thoughts.  Mere observations
would not quell or kill the mind.  Bhagavan says to  go to the
source of the mind or ego, that is Heart.  Bhagavan was an
example of highest conduct and simplicity.  JK was not.

Arunachala Siva. 

46955
Dear Ramanaduli,

You have asked when god and self are both the same, why are
we alone affected?  Yes, as you said, it is due to our sense of
doership.  It is the mind, the ego and the vasanas that make the
difference.

Arunachala Siva.

46956
Dear Ramanaduli,  You will be surprised to know that people
like Annamalai Swami, Lakshmana Swami, Wolter Keers, Papaji
and a few others have 'felt' the pulsation on their right sides of
their chest.

Arunachala Siva.

46957
Dear Ramanaduli,  Pasam is catch the mind that falters.  Angusam
is to punish to teach a lesson.  In Natraja idol, every thing that he
wears, be it snakes, be it Ganga, be it Brahma's skull,  be it moon,
all these have esoteric meanings.  So also the the fire, the hand-
drum and the apasmara or the demon under his right leg, all these
have inner meanings.  These are explained in a book called The
Dance of Siva, by David Smith, in his book and also in a poem
called Kunjithangri Stavvam by Umapathi Sivam, a great poet
who lived in Chidambaram.  He was doing in poojas in the Nataraja
Temple in Chidambaram and later became a Siva Yogi, an exponent
in Siva Yogam under his guru, Arul Nandi Sivam.

Arunachala Siva. 

46958
General Discussion / Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: October 10, 2008, 05:50:55 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Your question is very relevant.  The killing of
the mind is itself a difficult task, because we are so much used
to mind and ego and we always get a feeling that a killed mind
is a broken mind that is insane.  It is not.  The killing of mind is
not contaminating the mind, causing mental break-down that
we become schizophrenic or madcaps.  The killing of mind is the
state where one eternally lives in the Self, happy and blissful. 
This problem was raised earlier in the Forum and I have given
similar answers.

The question therefore remains as to how the Self realized Jnanis,
live and express emotions like human beings.  The answer is,
they live in a state of Supermind (Aurobindo) or Overmind (Zen Master
Bosho) or Pure Mind. (Bhagavan Ramana).  This mind will do all
the activities, more skillfully and display emotions, in times of need.

Bhagavan was a beautiful cook.  He can cut vegetables and stitch
leaf plates (the old type), with great dexterity.  He cried with
joy in times of joy and shed tears towards other people's sorrow.
He never shed tears for his pain and misery, that is during his
terminal cancer. He cried when Echammal came with her grandson,
crying for the demise of her daughter.  He expressed happiness,
when ganji and aviayal were served in the Asram!

This Pure Mind displays all emotions. It does not harm others,
it is like a burnt rope.
   
Arunachala Siva.

46959
Dear srkudai, Very much Yes.  If we look constantly at Siva,
with full surrender, then the ajnanam leaves us.  Then we become
vehicle for Siva. we carry Brahma Jnanam.  For the ignorant, the
world is real; during self enquiry, the world is looked upon as
unreal, like a dream.  After Self Knowledge, the world again is
real, this time, it is Brahma Swarupa.  Sri Ramakrishna's pillow
case example is quite approrpriate, let us be the cover in which
Self is always there, real, shining and blisssful.

Arunachala Siva.

46960
Dear Ramanaduli, all these 'acharams' are mental fabrications.
Certain essential codes of conduct are essential in a worldy life.
E.g. Taking bath or cleaning up the body, eating moderate sattvic
food, sleeping as many hours less as possible and the like.  Cerain
acharams are caste-dependent, like chanting gayatri, not taking
the old food of the previous day, fasting on Ekasdasi, visiting temples
on Dwadasi or Prodhasham days etc.,  But for a Jnani who has gone
beyond his mind, such rules do not apply.  For others they do apply.
One need not forcefully stop them.  They will go away, as Bhagavan
said, when the approrpriate time comes.  If you like the Agraharam
or a Brahmin's street, it is because they were clean and neat in those
days.  No smell of fish or meat, neatly dressed people, the temple
bells ringing three times near by three times a day, etc.,etc.,

Arunachala Siva.     

46961
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:49:51 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli and srkudai,  When we touch the items mentioned
by you, we are not doing anything.  Only the feeling of the touch
is there.  In case of Bhagavan too, we have to only feel Him in
our Heart, after stopping touching of other things which are worldly
and empirical.

Arunachala Siva. 

46962
General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:46:03 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Thanks for the post.  The thread was started
by Sankar asking for the life stories of saints.  I told him that these
stories can be read from suitable books.  We can only discuss
certain aspects of such stories.  The srkudai, started about Sri
Ramakrishna.  I have no problem in narrating the strories. But
these, as you have said, will be a long serial.  Let us see what  Bhagavan
wills.

Arunachala Siva.
 
 

46963
General Discussion / Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Bhagavan did cure diseases of His devotees
in a few cases and in a few other cases, He got them cured through
some other devotess.  He cured the pain in the finger and the elbow
of His devotee, as you might have read in one of the Golden eyes
post.  He cured the blindness of another through a surgery by another
doctor devotee.  But He said  that He had not done anything, so
that many ill devotees would not throng Him, with problems.  He
did not bring the dead child back to life, in one case, because that
was that child's prarabdha.  As regards His own terminal cancer,
he bore it lightly without pain and misery because He had no mind!

Arunachala Siva.

46964
Dear Dr. Raju,  Yes.  We are ever thankful to Mother Azhagamma
for starting the cooking in the Asram.  While she was glad to feed
anyone, she had some orthodox views of a brahmin, which were 
not unexpected those days.  She wanted to feed coolies and wood
cutters of the Hill, only after her eating. Bhagavan condemned the
practice with subtle humour.  Once when some woodcutter came
hungry, Bhagavan asked Amma to feed him.  She said she had not
eaten still.  Bhagavan said, "What if?  You feed him and you can
eat later."  Amma agreed but was weeping thereafter and she
did not eat on that day.  Anyhow her false dharmas left her in
due course.  She was against onion and garlic, which brahmins
particularly widowed brahmins kept up those days.  Bhagavan showed
His disinclination for this practice and told her:  What! these small
bulbous things, are they going to stand at the entrance of Heavans
and prevent you from entering there?  Needless to say that she
left this prohibition in due course.  Once Bhagavan said about her
'acharam', "Look!  Kunju has touched your drying up clothes, by
mistake.  Go, wash it once again and you also take bath!"  This
acharam had also left her and she became ready for self knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.     

46965
Today is Vijaya Dasami.  I want to write about Mother Azhagamma.
She first came to look for her son, after Bhagavan's  running way
to Tiruvannamalai, only in December 1898, about 28 months' later.
Bhagavan gave her a note and she had to leave.  Again she came
after 15 years, in 1913.  She came with her daughter in law,
Smt. Mangalam, wife of Nagasundaram, who later became Chinnaswami.
Again for the third time, she came in 1914.  Finally she came in 1916,
and stayed with Bhagavan till her mahasamadhi, in 1922, six
years later.

What was Mother Azhagamma's contribution?  Giving food to others!
She was the Annapurani!  She started cooking in Virupaksha Cave
and later in Skandasramam, where only Bhagavan, Kunju Swami
and a few others were eating.  Later these aditis became ten,
twenty and so on.  Swami Suddandha Bharati, who wrote Tamil
bliography says:  She virtually started a Vaisvanara Yagnam, opening
fire to cook and give food to others.  This sacrifice continues unabated, the fire started by her is still burning in Sri Ramansramam!  Today,
for both the sessions, as many as 200 devotees and visitors and
about equal number of sadhus and beggars are taking food in
Sri Ramanasramam.

On this day of Durga Pooja Celebrations,  Vijaya Dasami,
let us pray to that Annapurani, the conferer of food, which is
the foremost need for any person, without which no philosphy,
arts and sciences would enter one's mind.

Arunachala Siva.