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Dear Dr. Raju,

You must be correct.  In Tamil book containing the happenings
in Thousand Island Park, it is mentioned as 'manam kuvidhal'
meaning only 'focussing of the mind' or Ekakgrata as you mentioned.
The English translation (or is it English original and Tamil translation?)
gives it as 'Concentration.'

Arunachala Siva.

270.  If one nows not the Self, but knows all things else, what
is the use?  But if he knows the Self, what else is there for him
to know?

(There is a story about Sankara.  Once scholars asked him
whether he knows cobbling the shoes.  Sankara answered
that he did not do any cobbling before hand, but he knows.
A torn pair of shoes were brought to him with needle and  thread
and a stoneslab to place the shoes on.  He sat down, kept his
legs on the stoneslab as a veteran cobbler would do, took the
needle and thread.  To fix the thread through the eye of the
needle, he rubbed the thread on his nose, like a learned cobbler!
The thread became moist and he could fix it through the eye
of the needle!  Once Swami Vivekananda was asked whether
he could shoot a floating egg shell on a moving stream.  This
happened in Thousand Island Park, in America.  He said okay,
took the gun and shot at the swiftly moving egg shell on the
stream!  The onlookers were wonderstruck.  They asked him,
whether he had learnt shooting!  He said, "No.  This is the
first time that I am handling a gun!"  Asked how he got to
know the technique, Swami replied:  "Concenatration is the
essence of all knowledge!"     

271.  Even if one knowns subtle things not easy to be known,
he does not become wise thereby, so long as he knows not
that Pure Consciousness by which he knows all that.

272. Knowledge relating to objects, which comes to him that
knows not the Self, should be understood as ignorance.  Self
Knowledge -- which is known as Liberation is alone True Knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: The 16 shakti
« on: October 17, 2008, 12:05:58 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju, Thank you for your additional information.  Both
mikroth and I are benefited.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: The 16 shakti
« on: October 17, 2008, 11:27:31 AM »
Dear mikroth,

I picked up some more information from a book of Sakta Mantra
and also from Sir John Woodroffe's book titled Sakti and Sakta.

The 16 Saktis are represented by the 16 alphabets of Sakti
in a mantra called Shodasakshari.  Each letter, a matruka varna,
represents one type of Power.

Woodroffe's book says that it represents 15 digits of moon,
each one indicating a Power, from New Moon and to Full Moon.
and a sixteenth Power beyond the Full Moon, which is brighter
than 1000 Full Moons.  All are facets of Sakti.

Regarding the 16 letters of Shodaskshari, this should be learnt
through a Guru and not from some other person.  Hence I have
not divulged them to you.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Gangajal and Dr. Raju, No bad blood please, between any two of us.
I have got every right to air my views, but at the same time, I have
no right to obstruct others from giving their views.  Every Jnani's
worth is known by what he is left behind him.  And that is all.
Someone wrote in some other blog, "There is no self realized soul,
after Saradamma and that was in 1979"  I became indignant.
Who is he to say that there is no Jnani after 1979?  No Jnani
goes around with a placard around his neck stating that he is
a Brahma Jnani.  I met one sadhu in Seshadri Swami Asram in
Tiruvannamalai recently.  He was singing songs from Tiruvachakam,
with a melting heart in mornings and evenings.   That is the book which I like most.   He did not accept any monetary gift from anybody.  Some gave fruits for him and that is all.  I felt that he is a Jnani.  But who am I to say?  Some others may say that he is only a singing vagabond.
He does not care for either view.  Is it not?

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: The 16 shakti
« on: October 17, 2008, 10:19:12 AM »
Dear mikroth,

To my knowledge, Bhagavan did not discuss the 16 types or any types
of Sakti.  The 16 Saktis, I am not able to find out the list.  But these
could mean 8 Siddhis, supernatural powers like, becoming small like
an atom, or becoming big like a mountain, becoming very heavy,
becoming very light like a feather etc.,  These are described in
Ribhu Gita. If these could mean 10 Siddhis, then these are the
handmaids of Uma, called Dasa Maha Vidya.  This is in tantra-sastras.
They are Tara, Kali, Dhoomavathi etc., The No. 16 somehow does
not ring the bell in me.

In Sri Ramana Gita. for the questions of Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni
and others, Bhagavan speaks about the "sakti" (meaning only the
power) of a Jnani.  These replies are in Chapters X and XII of
that book.  Kindly see my Posts on Sri Ramana Gita, given in the
Forum, for the English Translation of Sri Ramana Gita.

Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: What is the real life
« on: October 17, 2008, 10:11:35 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Real life is beyond the three states of waking, dream and deep sleep.
This is called Turiya, or the Fourth.  Bhagavan has said: There is no
Turiya.  There is only one state."

Regarding some devotees asking God to permit them live in this
world or in Vaikunta, or in Kailasa, is a dualistic concept.
Ramanuja and Madhva preferred this state as per their schools.
It is like wanting to eat a sugar candy.  Sankara said, "I would
like to become a sugar candy myself."

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Ramanaduli, Gangajal, Dr. Raju and srkudai,

Kundalini or Raja marga is one of the methods of cleaning the mind.
There are other methods under Bhakti and Karma margas.

I believe that we should stop this ping-pong game of whether plugging
or cleaning is the real cleaning.  It is for etymologists to battle out
the roots of these words and do the boxing in the ring.  I have given
my views and srkudai has given his views.  Both may be correct.
Nevertheless, I do not want to have the last laugh!

Arunachala Siva.     

Dear srkudai, Plugging  the leaks, removing the dirt slags after water
had evaporated, removing the unwanted furniture and garbage, sweeping the room, refixing a fused mercury bulb, repairing the non-revolving fan, throwing out the old newspapers, giving away their old clothes to the poor, giving the unused medicines and spectacles to some NGO, tearing off the old unwanted letters and throwing them to the dustbin, all are 'cleaning'.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: The real "I"
« on: October 16, 2008, 12:37:11 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli, There are no two 'I's, the Real and the false.
There is only one, and only 'I', the Real.  But when this Real
I , is is hidden by various screens, mind-body complexities, then
it is not visible or it is seen as 'I', the body-mind consciousness.
The self enquiry is to remove the screens and not to find out the
false 'I' and throw him out!   As I said elsewhere, you remove the
encumbrances in the house to make it clean.  Bhagavan used
two Tamil words, 'Naan' and 'Thaan' in Who am I? to distinguish
these two situations.  When English translators like Paul Brunton
and Arthur Osborne came, they had to use to different cannotations
to denote the difference, hence, they used 'I" and "I--I".  There is
no direct word in English for these.  Some one else used, 'i' and 'I"
but the problem remains!

You say you are not able to find out the Awareness after reading
Who am I?  Read it every day, many many times.  I read it atleast
500 times, both the question- answer type and the narrative
essay, the English Version and Tamil version.  Then I have understood
bit by bit.  Even today, I read it once every day, and every day,
I get new insights.  Bhagavan said:  "Lo, it is easy this Atma Vidya."
But most of us find it, that it is not easy.  He said it is easy because,
there is no need to go elsewhere, there is no need to go to many
teachers, there is no need to refer to many books, and it is
within us, ever present, shining, blissful and direct.

Arunachala Siva.           

Dear srkudai, Ramanaduli and Gangajal,

Yesterday I did not reply srkudai, straightaway, because I wanted
others to give their views.  Cleaning the mind is necessary, since,
first we have to remove the encumberances, to find it fit for the
Self.  The term Chitta-suddhi, involves "suddham", the cleaning and
making it neat and tidy.  It is like a servant making the house neat,
before the Master comes in.  It is not that Master is away, but he is
always there in us, but, he should be happy to have a clean house.

Reg. JK, I have already written in this Forum.  He needed a December,
chill climate in Madras, for him to give his lectures!  He needed an
airconditoned villa for him to stay in Vasanta Vihar, in Adyar, Madras.
Then finally there is saying in Tiruk Kural, a Tamil book of ethics,
written by Tiruvalluvar, about 2000 years back.  He said:  A man's
fitness would be known only by what he left behind after his death.
JK left behind him a lot of controversy, including his 'questionable'
relationship with his student's wife, Ms. Rosalind Rajagopal.  An
authentic article came after his demise in news papers.  On that
day, I bundled all his books and threw them away into my attic!
In Othello  Iago tells about the hero, " Mere prattle without
practice is all his soldiership!"  This fits well for JK.

Arunachala Siva.        

General topics / Re: cosmic body and physical body
« on: October 16, 2008, 12:00:10 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Cosmic body or the universal body, is this universe, which comprises
of five elements, ending with Akasa, the Space.  Our physical body
is made up of these five elements, panch bhutas.  So, what is in andam
is also in pindam.  The shthula saria or gross body is thus explained.
The subtle body and the causal body are due to our own mind and
in built vasanas.  These are mental creations, hence we cannot expect
them in Cosmic body, which is the form of Brahman.

Upadhi or adjuncts are the screens around us.  These are there right
from the baby's creation in the womb.  When a life starts its journey,
from the womb, it has come carrying those vasanas and the prana,
from the previous birth.  When one dies, what dies is the body,
but the prana carries its vasanas and run away.  This portion is
explained in Who am I? 

Arunachala Siva.     

Dear srkudai, Ramanaduli,

All religious practices are only for cleansing the mind, be it pooja,
dhyana, tapas etc., etc., All efforts go only to remove the dirt in
the mind.  We do it day after day, day after day, like shaving your
your face.  One day you will find that your cheeks are clean!

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear srkudai, I totally agree with you on this point.  Make
necessities as luxuries.  A second TV, a lap top over and above
a desk top.  Two cell phones instead of one. That way, as you
have said, one can make any habit like tobacco, into a luxury
and stop it, eventually.  I had a car about 10 years back and I
sold it.  I do not need it now.  Whenever I have to go to air port
or Tiruvannamalai, once in two or three months, I engage a rental car, thus making a necessity into a luxury.  That, I think, is the correct

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli, srkudai, Dr. Raju and Sankar,

The list is legion.  Chinmayananda used to have snifff of snuff of and
of one, even during his Gita discourses.  One Koti Swami, who lived
somewhere on the way to Tiruvannamalai, and who is the guru of
famous Ilaya Raja of Tamil Cinema music, was a chain smoker.  People
used to give him cigaratees as 'offering'!  He not only smoked but even
to disciples, he used to give a half-smoked cigarattes for a puff. The
devotees who were not smokers used to take the cigaratees, would
have a puff, as Prasad (!!!)  and suffer unending coughs!
Ram Surat Kumar used to do the same thing.  Shirdi Sai Baba used to
have hookah and so also Sri RK and Swami Vivekananda.  This is not
to drive home the point that everyone should have a smoke or a
chew, for self realization!

Bhagavan Ramana, was altogether different.  He used to have some
betal leaves and nuts, for some time, more for digestion and not for
pleasure.  Even that habit got stopped once when an attendant failed
to bring it after lunch.  It was a nimitta to stop that habit.  Gurram
Venkata Subbaramaiah has composed a Telugu song titled Thamboola
Vaibhavam on that incident! 

In the end, there will be time, there  will be time, when everything
looks alike! (T.S. Eliot)

Arunachala Siva.