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Manisha Panchakam is again a small treatise by Sankara.  It contains only five verses and narrate a 'story' that happed in Kasi.  Sankara took a bath in Ganges and was going towards Viswanatha Temple.  On his way, he met an 'untouchable' and he asked him to get away from his path, since he was an untouchable!  (go away, go away -" gaccha, gaccha")   Siva is said to have come in the disguise of that untouchable.  To Sankara's order, the untouchable asks:   " Oh! the great among Brahmins!  This body made of food came from a body that was made of food.  This Chaitanya (the Self) is from another Chaitanya.  Which one, do you want me to clear off?" This
Sun is reflecting as on the waters of Ganges and also on the
waters of the gutter near my house.  It reflects in the golden pot as well as in mudpot.  This great bliss is there in every living being, whether there is any difference between a Brahmin and a lowly dog-eater?"

After these words  struck like a lightning in Sankara, he replies in five verses, where he states about 3 states of waking etc.,in which the Brahman is the Witness. This great Bliss is all pervasive and I misunderstood it due to my 3 gunas, sattva etc.,  I have understood this by the great words of my Guru (that is the untouchable).  This great bliss is an ocean, from the drop of which Indra and other devas are satisfied and the great sages are feeling complete." 

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: Ramana Maharishi's speech
« on: July 07, 2008, 12:53:44 PM »
My dear gorak,  to my knowledge, there is no recorded message of
Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  People like David Godman, has done an
extensive researh on this.  There is no recorded message.

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: Ramana Maharishi's speech
« on: July 07, 2008, 12:36:28 PM »
My dear gorak, there is no recorded speech of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  There are only photographs and short, black and white
video coverages.  This is our misfortune.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear non-duel, thanks for your message.  Bhagavan has helped
devotees of different faiths in self-realization.  e.g. Mastan was born a
Muslim.  There were several British of Catholic and Protestant faith, who came to Him.  He has said that 'the Self' is the same for everyone, all
living beings including birds and animals.  He used to quote, as you already know,  from Abraham and Eccelesiastics,  "I AM I AM' and  'the fools heart is on the left and the wise one's is on the right.  I studied in a christian school and christian college, where Bible class was there on everyday.
I studied Daniel's story and the story of the prodigal son when I was
fourteen.  In fact, I like the Gospel according to Mark very much.

Arunachala Siva. 

Atma Jnana Upadesa Vidhi, is again a small treatise on Advaita by
Sankara. It comprises of 72 axioms in prose form detailing the 'seer'
'seen' concept mentioned by Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi in 'Who am I?'
A sample.
Axioms 4,5, and 6 of Part IV says: That the Self is the Fourth means that It consists of Consciousness only and nothing else, like a homogeneous piece of gold.  Thought it is the Fourth, It is not different from the three well-known viz., waking, dream and sleep.  We call It the Fourth, because It is the Witness of the other three states, as Consciousness in proximity.  One has to invariably arrive at a void, if the Fourth were a different state, as in that case, the truth about the Self could not be known.

Axiom 13 says:  A man of knowledge directly knows within himself that he has attained the Self-Knowledge.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear non duel,  You asked about the 'bhavana' which comes under paragraphs 45-50 of Essence of Ribhu Gita.(Chapter 24 and 25 of the original).  You also asked whether chanting Chapter 26 of can alone be used for daily recititation.  I did not answer this point clearly and told you that the entire Ribhu Gita or any chapter(s) may be used.  Coincidentally, I was reading David Godman's 'The Power of the Presence'.  This is a 3-volume book, where David writes various things about select devotees of Bhagavan and has also included certain information, which has not been published before.  Under the chapter - N.R. Krishanmoorthy Aiyer (the
gentleman who had condensed Ribhu Gita in prose, the book which you had mentioned) has written the following information, which has not been 
published before:-

" During October 1941, I asked Bhagavan, 'Please select me the most important portion of Ribhu Gita, for daily recital.'
Bhagavan took the book and showed me the 26th chapter and said:
'The recital of this chapter is itself 'samadhi'.' "
Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: I don't know what to do anymore
« on: July 06, 2008, 12:15:47 PM »
Dear Matthew, As Davemahar said, fear of death is the primordial fear,
from where every other fear sprouts.  Here again, fear of death only is fear and not death by itself.  Fear of death is fear of losing something known to you, the body, the senses, the mind et al.  Please read 'Who am I?' and
that is more than sufficient.  You can read Zen Buddhism, Bible and whole
range of western philosophy -- from Francis Bacon to Kant, Spinoza, Shophenheur, Nietszhe and Bertrand Russel.  In my case, at least, all these readings only confused me.  A little bit of Sankara and then Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi will do.  Good luck. 

Arunachala Siva.       

General Discussion / Re: STAY
« on: July 06, 2008, 12:02:55 PM »
Dear sankar, your post on 'stay in the Ashram' has been replied.
Please see it. 
Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: STAY AT ASHRAM
« on: July 06, 2008, 12:01:41 PM »
Dear Sankar, there are two posts from you, one on 'Stay' and another
on 'Stay at Ashram'.  In this connection, one 'seeker' has already asked how to go to Tiruvannamalai.  Several forum members have given replies
about going to Tiruvannamalai and staying in the Asram.  I have also given my replies on 28th June.  Please see that post from 'seeker' for details.  The topic heading is:  How to go to Tiruvannamalai?'

Arunachala Siva.

Prasna-Uttara Ratna Malika is again a small book, comprising of 67
slokas.  The verses are in the form of two simple questions and two
simple answers, in each verse.  The book details the do's and don'ts for the seeker and the ultimate realization.

Verse 45 :-  "What is the source of all happiness?  The merits of one's
good actions.  What causes misery?  One's sins.  By what will one be
endowed with Lordliness?  By the devoted worship of Siva."

Verse  53:- "What is the most difficult thing for a man to do?  To keep
the mind always under control."

Verse 54:- "What is the most adorable being?  The Power of Pure

Verse 58:- "Who is the Lord of Maya?  The Supreme Being.  What is the
greatest magic?  The ever changing universe.  What resembles a dream
experience?   The activities of the waking life!  What is the true being?
It is Brahman, the Supreme Being."

Arunachala Siva.

Dear non-duel,  Thank you.  The mudpot (or golden pot) simile
is only to stress that we are all reflecting the Wisdom of our Guru,
the Sun, Son of God, in our different capacities.   On the day, when all these pots break away, there will only be 'AKASA', the all pervasive, limitless ether, the Brahman, our Guru.

Arunachala Siva.   

Laghu Vaakya Vritti, as the name implies, is a condensation of
Vaakya Vritti.  While the bigger book has got 53 verses, this one
comprises of only 18 verses.  Of the two Maha Vakyas, Tat vam Asi
and Aham Brahmasmi which have been explained in the bigger book,
this book takes only Aham Brahmasmi and explains its purport.  The book
deals with an examination of our consciousness, in waking dream
and deep sleep states.  In our waking and dream states, the consciousness is always associated with an idea (buddhi vritti).  As such, it appears to be
objective and continuously changing.  This is called Bodha Bhasa - a
reflection of Pure Consciousness - Suddha Bodha.  These two correspond to 'I' and 'the Self, Jiva-Brahman.  A sample,

Verse 6 says:  "Water heated on fire acquires heat and so becomes capable of heating the body.  In the like manner, the intellect illumined by Pure
Consciousness acqires its lustre and thereby illumines all other external objects."

Verse 10 says: " The thread covered by he pearls in a string can be seen between two pearls. Similarly, the Pure Consciousness  also, though hidden by the modifications of the intellect, can be clearly perceived in between any two modifications."

Verse 12 says:  "Persons aspiring to the experience of Brahman should,
therefore, practise by slow degrees this restraint of modifications starting with one moment and then extending to two, three and so on."

Verse 18 says:- " Consummation of this practice lies in the firm conviction of one's identity with Brahman, like what conviction is normally there in the sense of identity of the self with the body.  One, who has realized this is liberated, indeed without a doubt.  His body may then drop off, any time, any where."

Bhagavan's teachings are also focussed towards the elimination of the
world, self and the god to merge in the Self.

Arunachala Siva.     

General Discussion / Re: Bhagavan Ramana and other gurus
« on: July 03, 2008, 05:51:30 PM »
Dear srkudai, You are absolutely correct.  One has to negate all the
dualities.  Birth-death, body-mind, happiness-sorrow, pain-pleasure,
good-bad and all that.  But one has to learn that "I am Brahman".  Because, Brahman is the only thing which has no duality, the One without
a second.  Arunachala Siva.   

Dear non duel, Continuing from what I had posted earlier, the paragraphs of Aiyer's translation and the corresponding verses of the Ribhu Gita,
Tamil are furnished below:-

Paragraph 48 - Verses  25.  8
Paragraph 49 - Verses  25.12
Paragraph 50 - Verses  25.14

The chapter is titled as: "Supreme Liberation by the conviction of
the Pure Brahman".  The translation, according to my understanding
is as as follows.

Verse 8 says: " There is not an atom of imagination at any time.  There is
no mind that imagines. There is no cycle of birth and death and there is no
one involved in the cycle, in the least. There is not even an atom of the world.  There is not even a Lord of the world.  Be of the conviction that there is never anything.  All that there is the Supreme, of the nature of

Verse 12 says: " Be of the strong conviction that whatever exists, whatever happens, whatever lovable looks are all the differenceless mass of Existence-Consciousness-Bliss, Brahman. Never entertain any disturbing thought that this perishable body and such are me.  And the world is apart from me."

Verse 14 says: " Be rid  of debiltating bondage of worldly existence.  Have the strong conviction that nothing ever exists and whatever illusory experiences are there, are really the mass of Supreme and I am always that Supreme and, thus devoid of the sense of yourself, abiding in yourself, as the Supreme."

The words Existence and Absolute are interchangeably used.
The words Consciousness, Awareness and Knowledge are interchangeably used.
The word Bliss has no variation.

Arunachala Siva.           

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: A quote
« on: July 03, 2008, 01:36:57 PM »
Dear wio, who said Bhakti and Jnana cannot go together?  Bhakti is
not the cup of Advaita's tea?  This question has been put to Bhagavan
on many many occasions when He was in body.  Bhakti is the mother of
Jnana.  Bhakti to deity outside is known to all of us.  When this bhakti
matures, you start expressing bhakti within you.  It is like going to the
temple and praying in the home-altar.  After these prayers within, you
graduate to bhakti to the Formless and Nameless.  To meditate constantly on the dictum, "I am Brahman" takes one to merger in the Self, which is
Jnana.  When Sivaprakasam Pillai asked Bhagavan in 1901-02:  "Who is the greatest of all devotees?", He had replied:  "One who gives himself to the Self, is the greatest devotee."  Sankara, who is the foremost exponent of Advaita, has written a number of songs, not only on Siva, but also on
Vishnu, Rama, Krishana, Ganesh, Subramanya, Devi and others.  He has
prescribed bhakti  as the first step for beginners, who cannot enquire about the Self directly.

Arunachala Siva.