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Dear Ramanaduli,

A Jnani is child-like and not childish.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Reading, writing et al, just happen, in the Self.  If you are doing
anything 'without doership' and believe that the Self is just
doing everything, it is sufficient.  Annamalai Swami says that
only desiring for the Self is 'our doing'.  Even here, since you
are ever the Self, even that 'doing' just happens.

Arunachala Siva.   

Suri Nagamma used to fast on Ekadasi, Sivarathri, Kartikai star day,
Monday and other such occasions.  Those days, it would so happen
that many proof readings of Telugu prints would come to the Asram.
Those days, Bhagavan used to do the proof reading Himself.  When
someone asked why Bhagavan had not given them to Suri Nagamma,
He would say: "O poor thing. She is fasting today!"  After sometime,
she realized that the service for Guru was more noble than fasting.
Even Kunju Swami had told her that Bhagavan Ramana would not
give any work to him on the fasting days.  He was shown the verse
3 of Ulladu Narpadu - Anubandham by Bhagavan Ramana.

One day, a devotee asked the purport behind such fasting.  Bhagavan
replied:  "All these things are only to control the senses.  In a
fasting person, the senses will be more subdued and will not go out,
and the mind will be non vacillating.  But best thing is to control the
mind.  Where is the mind? Where is the body?  Where is the Jiva?
It is all in the Self. Food alone does not make up one's determinations, thoughts.  The very "fasting"  of determinations, doubts and thoughts 
alone would control the mind.  Even otherwise we are the Self.  All
these ideas, are only to be in the Self.  If the Self is understood,
all food controls are unnecessary."

He also said that Sat Sangh is more sublime than the poojas,
sacrifices, abulations and pooja, bhajans, nama chantings,
which are only secondary in nature.

(Source: Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / The Grace of the Guru
« on: October 23, 2008, 05:32:23 PM »
Suri Nagamma's sister in law, was a very weak lady and several
times, when she wanted to do circumambulation of the Hills, Suri
Nagamma advised her against it.  In 1949, once when she had come
to Tiruvannamalai, she was very much interested to complete it and
even her husband (Suri Nagamma's brother) did not object to that.

That time, Suri Nagamma did not accompany them and the lady
went with some other people, with a car following for her help.
Bhagavan was of course telling Suri Nagamma in the Old Hall:
"They must have gone to Gautama Asrama. They must have
reached that place.  They must have reached this place."  Around
10 am, everyone including the lady retruned safe.  Suri Nagamma
was greatly relieved.

In the evening, Visvanatha Swami came to Suri Nagamma and told
her:  Your sister in law has not only gone for circumambulation but
also visited Skandasramam.  How true it is when they have said:
"Mookam karothi vachalam, bungkum langyathe girim.."* 

"With Guru's Grace, even a dumb shall speak and a lame shall climb
the mountain!  These words have been rendered true today in
Bhagavan's Presence!" 

* Srimad Bhagavatam

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.   

From 1940, when Suri Nagamma started living in her small apartment
in Tiruvannamalai, she was living on fried corns and milk.  Once or
twice, she presented fried corns to Bhagavan Ramana.  He called
for salt and chilly powder, mixed them with the fried corns, took a
little and gave the rest for distribution.  After some time, Bhagavan
told her:  "Why are you making this frequently?  This Asram is like
an ocean.  Howsoever you may bring, it may not be sufficent.  Please
stop it."  Suri Nagamma made these presents  more infrequent.

Once in the new season, she took some fried corns.  Bhagavan asked
her: "Why are you spending money?  On the Hills, I have eaten such
grains and corns.  These are tasty and nutritious.  People nowadays
bring, laddus and jilebis and they may think that fried corns are quite
cheap items."  As usual He mixed ghee, chilly powder and salt and
took it and distributed to others.  Suri Nagamma felt happy like
Sudhama seeing Krishna eating battered rice!

On another occasion, Bhagavan asked her:  "You are doing all these
things.  You are spending quite a long hours in the Asram.  You are
doing writing work.  How do you find time for all these?"  Venkata
Ratnam and Suramma said:  "She does not sleep at all.  We have seen
the lights burning all the time in her house.  She is getting up around
3 am everyday!"

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,  As far as I know there is no downloadable books
of Annamalai Swami or books on him.  There are two books edited
by David Godman and these are not definitely available as e-books.
Perhaps some excerpts may be available in his blog,  The book from which I am quoting some
incidents/teachings are from an older Tamil book called, Sri
Rama Ninaivugal, published by Sri Annamalai Swami Asram, Palakottu,
Tiruvannamalai.  The only edition was in 1995. The copies may be
available in Sri Ramansramam.

Arunachala Siva.

When Suri Nagamma resumed writing, after some time, Chinnaswami
again asked her not to write.  This time, Suri Nagamma had to simply
bluff saying that she is not writing.  Everytime Chinnaswami asked
her whether she is writing, she had to continue the bluff. This went
on for quite some time.  One day, when the kitchen assistants had
not turned up, Chinnaswami was doing the cooking and Suri
Nagamma went into kitchen for assistance.  Chinnaswami said
sarcastically: "Amma, these are the days when males have to cook,
while females have to write.  You are a weak lady taking sattvic food
of popcorn and milk.  You can go out and do dhyana."  Suri Nagamma
withdrew quietly.  But she was feeling bad about her lies.  While
she reported this agony to Bhagavan Ramana, He consoled her
saying:  "What to do?  Such lies become necessary for doing some
good work in life.  I also told a lie and came to Tiruvannamalai."

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Tamil)

Arunachala Siva.

Suri Nagamma, after completing a set of letters, (which were addressed
to her brother D.S. Sastri), arranged it for printing and the book was
expected around the Jayanti celebrattons of Bhagavan in  Jan 1947.
The books did not come from Madras in time and around July 1947
some twelve copies came from her brother.  She presented them
to Bhagavan.  As per usual practice, she thought Bhagavan would ask
her to give a reading of the book.  This did not happen.  Bhagavan was
not insisting for days.  When she persuaded Bhagavn, He merely said,
'let all copies come.'  She requested Chinnaswami for permission and
he also did not agree.  After two weeks, when 1000 copies came to
Asram after pressmen gave a good reviews, she became happy and
wanted to pursue her request to Bhagavan Ramana to give a reading.
It never occurred to her that there was some jealousy and blockades.
After further purusasion to Chinnaswami, she commenced reading
them around July 22, 1947.   On hearing the news, Suri Nagamma's
sister in law also came to Asram with a lot of enthusiasm.  After three
days of reading, she was called by Chinnaswami from the Office, and
was instructed to stop the reading sessions.  On the next day, when
everyone was waiting anxiously in the Hall, she could not resume the
reading.  Bhagavan felt bad and He made a remark:  When we are
asking her to read, someone says not to read.  I think no one can
read anything here."  Chinnaswami clarified saying that he did not
want her to stop reading but only to stop writing further such letters!
Chinnaswami further instructed her to give all the manuscripts and
also the Asram Library Cave, which she did with a heavy heart, after
presenting the manuscripts to Bhagavan to ensure a witness.  Suri
Nagamma becme downcast and she did not know what to do in the
Asram, excepting looking at Bhagavan with tears in her eyes all the time.  She wrote a Telugu poem, called Samarpanam and sent it to Chinta
Dikshitar.  Poeple later told her in the Asram, that similar fate was
met by Munagala Venkatramaiah, the author of Talks.

On seeing her plight, Bhagavan Ramana asked her one day and
she told Him:  "I am going away from you."  Bhagavan kindly replied
her: "You are only going away, (meaning that He is not going away.)
After this assurance, she became relieved and felt someone had
ill-advised Chinnaswami.

Kunju Swami and Muruganar later persuaded her to resume writing.

After a break of about 3 months, she could resume the Letters from
3rd September 1947.

Dikshitar had said in her letter:  Sreyamsi bahu vignani... The
good deads face more obstacles in this world.

(Source:  Suri Nagamma - Sri Ramansramam Vazhvum Ninaivum.)

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Suri Sabha Guruna.
« on: October 23, 2008, 02:21:10 PM »
In March-April  1947, when Bhagavan Ramana was not keeping
good health, it was ordered by Sarvadhikari, that devotees should
not keep on talking to Him and only if He speaks anything, it should
be listened to. 

However, during this period Bhagavan Ramana was talking to
Suri Nagamma, more often and one day He was explaining at
length the stories of Sundaramoorthy and Sambandha from
Periya Puranam, the Tamil epic of 63 saints.  One day, He was
talking to Suri Nagamma at a great length and even for evening
walk to the Hills, the attendants were ready with waterpot and
walking stick.  Bhagavan Ramana then stopped the talk and saying
that is time and rose from His sofa.

On seeing the whole scene, one devotee came to Suri Nagamma
and told her:  "Ganapati Muni had already written in Sri Ramana
Chatvarimsat, that Bhagavan is the Guru for Suri's Sabha!"

Suri Nagamma was extemely happy.  The phrase Suri Sabha means
the court of learned pandits.  It can also mean the court attended
by Suri (Nagamma).  The Verse 2 of Sri Ramana Chatvarimsat starts,
Ganaranmukha suri sabha guruna... meaning,

"Who is the Master and Guide of the whole group of learned
scholars starting with Ganapati*, who is the repository of all
the highest virtues, whose beatific effulgence is hidden by the
sheath of the gross body, like the blazing sun hidden by the clouds?"

*Ganapati here means Kavya Kanta Ganapati Muni.

(Source:  Suri Nagamma - Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Niniavum,

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / The dance of Siva.
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:54:32 PM »
After surgeries in 1949, Bhagavan had bleeding from His wounds
and this became more severe.  Devotees brought one old man
from a nearby village.  He is adept in herbal medicines and he
placed some herbs and bandaged the arm.  Even though the bleeding
had stopped, Bhagavan Ramana devloped high fever and on 14th
July 1949, when He was returning from the Hills, His body was
vigorously shaking.  Everyone became anxious and Santamma, the
kitchen assistant came near Him and started:  "Your body...."

Bhagavan Ramana said:  "This body....What has happened to it?
It is shaking.  The body contains this prana and this prana is there
for all of us.  It is there for me too. Why do you worry?"

After some time, He controlled the shaking a little bit and smilingly
said:  "Every day there was darshan of the non-moving, achala.
Today, it is Tandava Darshan, the dance of Siva.  Why are you

He sat quietly on the sofa and Veda Parayanam started.

(Source:  Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.   

Once in 1942, a Tamil pandit came to Bhagavan Ramana and
was discussing at length about Amrutha Nadi and Bhagavan
was also giving him adequate replies.  Suri Nagamma who was
in the Hall was curiously watching the conversation and she did
not understand much since that was in Tamil.  She became more
interested in the Amrutha Nadi business.  When Bhagavan Ramana
left for the cow shed, she followed Him and found Him discussing
the same thing to Madhava Swami. When Suri Nagamma,
boached the subject again, He told her sternly: "Why these
things for you?"  He further said:  "Because that Tamil pandit
wanted to know some details, I was telling him.  Why do you
want all those things.  Investigate 'Who am I?' and that is
sufficient for you."

After about three days, Suri Nagamma again asked and Bhagavan
replied:  "These are only bhavanas.  For that matter even this body
is a bhavana.  Look into the root of these doubts and that is the
paramount Sadhana."

Bhagavan Ramana always gave devotees what is adequate for them
for self enquiry.  He never gave anything beyond that, to ensure
that the teachings are not more complicated.  This conviction
grew deep into Suri Nagamma.

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Dr. Raju,

Thank you for the additonal information.  This is a news to me.
Annamalai Swami in his reminscences of Sri Ramansramam has
not mentioned this "special treatment" of Bhagavan Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.

Once one Velluri Sivarma Sastri, wrote to Suri Nagamma, on
receipt of Sri Ramana Gita, from the latter.  He has said:

"I received Ganapati Muni's Sri Ramana Gita and also saw
Bhagavan Ramana's sloka "Hrudaya Guhara madhye.."
Subbraraya Sastri and Buchirama Sastri have written to me
about their visit to Tiruvannamalai.  They have said, 'We met
a Jnani who has been described in Katha Upanishad.' From
that day, I am also eager to see Him. My family ( sastra vasana)
is still not leaving me.  I know this is a great hurdle. You are
very gifted.  You are able to write about His teachings and life."

When this letter was shown to Bhagavan Ramana, He simply

A pandit himself had agreed that 'his family of scriptures' is
a hurdle for him!

(Suri Nagamma - Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / 'Nakarmana' mantra
« on: October 23, 2008, 12:56:07 PM »
Oneday when good work was to begin in the Asram, the priests
came with a plate of fruits, coconut and flowers and stood in
front of Bhagavan Ramana and chanted the famous 'Na karmana'
mantra, prostrated and left.  One observed asked Bhagavan Ramana,
'this mantra says about futility of karmas, but how come priests
chant these when some work is about to begin?'

Bhagavan Ramana smilingly said: "Yes, it is correct.  Once you
know the meaning and purport of these mantras, you will understand
that these are not necessary.  But I am also keeping quiet because
some good mantras are being chanted."

Some one then asked Bhagavan about the meaning of that mantra.
Bhagavan Ramana replied that while someone earlier had come
and said that he did not understand the mantra, I showed him
the translation and commentary of Madhva Vidyaranya.  But he
could not understand even that. So I made it briefly in Tamil and
showed it to him.  This meaning given by me has been framed in
glass and hung in dining room.  Please go and see."  The devotee
then left for the dining room to read it.

Bhagavan Ramana wrote the Tamil meaning on 10th September
2008.  It reads:

"Immortality cannot be attained through karma, sons and wealth.
Certain inward looking seekers attain it through the sacrificing
of these things.   This Truth, which is said to be heavens, is attained
by them, thorugh the control of senses and sense organs, in their

"People with chitta-suddhi have attained this, through one pointed
concentration, even during their lives in the bodies and get liberated
from the primordial Maya.  This is the purport of Vedas and Vedantas
and such chitta-suddhi is got thorugh sacrifice and peaceful mind."

"That atom like Effulgence is attained by some through concentration
in the forehead between eyebrows and in the lotus of Heart Cave and
this alone should be prayed to."

"It is Paramesvara and the lord of Pranava mantra, it is in the
Vedas and Vedantas and it is shining inside body, curled up
thorugh concerted meditation." 

(Source:  Suri Nagamma - Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Discussions about Godhead
« on: October 23, 2008, 12:33:18 PM »
Once a devotee asked Bhagavan Ramana:

" Is there any end for discussions on Godhead, which are done
right from the olden days?"

Bhagavan kept silent for a while.

Devotee: Can I take Bhagavan's Silence as an answer to this question?"

Bhagavan Ramana: Aha. Silence is the form of Godhead.  This is
what Sankara has said as: "Mouna Vakya Praktitha Para Brahma
tattvam."  Only with Silence, the Truth can be commented.

Devotee:  Is it not that the Buddha had thrown overboard all the
discussions regarding Godhead?

Bhagavan Ramana:  It is not merely that much.  People call him
an exponent of the theory of Void, because of that.   But the
Buddha has said that instead of logical discussions on Godhead. he
was interested in directing the seekers in the way of happiness in
this birth itself and it was his Dharma.

(Source:  Maharshi Voi Mozhi - Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.