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Dear Dr. Raju,

I remember a T. S. Eliot poem.  Most of T. S. Eliot's poems give
a undercurrent of Advaita.   He says:

What are the roots that clutch?
What branches grow out of this stony rubbish?
Son of Man, for you know only a heap of broken images,
Where Sun beats, dead trees give no shelter, crickets no relief!

Arunachala Siva. 

Once in connection with Asram dispute case, (filed by Perumal Swami),
some advocates came to interrogate Bhagavan Ramana.

Q:  Swami!  What is your name?

A. People call me with various names.  What shall I say?

Q. People call you as Sri Ramana Maharshi.
A. Yes.

Q. As per Hindu sastra, what is your stage in the four stages prescribed?
A. I am beyond these four stages.  I am Ati-Varna-asrami.

Q. Are there anyone in that Ati-Varna-asrama?
A.  I do not know now. But in the past, Suka and Jadabharata were there.

Q. People say that you are an avatara of Sri Subrahmanya. Is it true?
A. I am. But I am also everything!  Everything is me!

Q. Who is your Guru?
A. I have no Guru, no disciple.

Q. How can anyone be without a Guru?
A. Yes, It is not possible.
Q. Then who is your Guru?
A.  My Atma is my Guru.
Q. Who is the Guru of your Atma?
A. Atma is the Guru of the Atma too!

(Source: Various biogrpahies of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.)

Arunachala Siva.     


Once in 1938, one devotee asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"It is said by Kanchangad Swmi Ramadas, that the disciples after
spending some time with a great Guru, should leave for a separate
place for his own evolvement into Self Realization.  He should not
always remain with that great Guru, since, small plants cannot grow
into big trees, under the shade of a big banyan tree.  Is it correct?"

Bhagavan Ramana replied smilingly:

"A true devotee who is staying ever with a great Guru, as his shadow,
even if he wants to go away, where can he go?  What is going out?
What is coming in?  For every thing in life is a Sat Sangh or a
Guru Kula vasa."  Bhagavan then cited, Kaivalya Navaneetham,
Chapter II, verse 2.

(Source:  Sri Ramana Ninaivugal - Tamil - Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,

Annamalai Swami is a double edged sword!

1.  He says pleasures and pains are our destiny!  No doubt.

2.  But thoughts have to be cleansed!  See, he had to have
      Bhagavan's intervention, when sex thoughts haunted him once.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear David,

Only one thing to add.  Bhagavan Ramana says in Who am I?:

"The thoughts will be coming forth as if some soldiers coming out
of the enemy's fort.  Keep on annihilating them.  Then, the fort
will come to your hand."

Fort is Heart Centre.  Thoughts are solidiers.  These enemies are
occuping the Fort.  Vanquish them one by one.

To have your chin smooth like glass, you have to keep on shaving.
One day, hairs will not spring forth!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal,

Excellent post on swadharma.  Why don't you start a serial on
Gita thoughts?  srkudai, promised one on Ashtavakra Gita, but did
not proceed much with it.

The Varnasrama Dharmam of Vedic Indians was mainly aimed
at alllocation of duties and not to create upper and lower echleons
of society and interse fighting amongst them.   In due course,
the Brahmins and the Kshkatriyas during the medieval periods,
because of their fattened egos started feeling higher than the others
and the class war started. 

But today, after all the eradication of caste system and making it
punishable under Law, what have we achieved?  We have created
new systems in plalces of old ones.  We have got politicians, cinema
actors, giant traders and industrialists like Ambanis, a powerful
unionised working class, who can go on strike at their will, taking
public interest to ransom.  We have got a Tata to build car factory but
we have got a politician to create problem in Singur!  We have got
new class systems of IT professionals who can spend Rs 10000/-
in a bar during every week ends, and we have got a government clerk
who do not even earn Rs 10000/- in a month!  Where are we going?

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes all "kalas", arts are the learning process through the mind.
But the epitome of all these arts are the Godhead.  A good painter
can reach god through his painting.  A good sculptro can reach
god through his sculpting.  A good thief, through his excellent
thieving art, can reach god.  Remember Kabir Das story.  A good
sex monger can reach god.  Remember Arunagiri Natha.

That is why Sri Soundarya Lahari says, when Sarasvati was playing
veena, and when Lalita said, Good... Good...., Sarasvati stopped
playing veena further, because in comparison to Lalita's sweet
voice, the sound of veena was nothing!

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Jnani"s action
« on: October 24, 2008, 11:53:37 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Jnani is Grace.  The Grace is ever flowing.  But you should only
make yourself a fit vessel to receive the large quota of Grace.
There is no need to go and ask him.   He knows what you want.
He knows what to be given, and howmuch to be given.  Go and
sit in his Presence.  Saint Manikkavachakar, says in Decad on
Melting, Kuzhaita Pathu, in Tiruvachakam,

You know all that I want.
You know to give all that I want.
You became rare, for Brahma and Vishnu, when they
    came to search for your top and bottom, (because there was ego)
You took me as your slave on your own will
You have blessed me without my wanting anything!
If I do not want anything that you have given
It is for you to decide whether I want that or something else!   

So your 2nd question is here answered:  If your deep prayers are
not answered by God, you have only to conclude that these desires
should not materialize as per His Will.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli,

Rolling over the leaf plates, where others had eaten, etc., are all
to belittle your ego and make you more sublime in understanding
the Godhead.  Saint Manikkavachakar says in Tiruvachakam, that
he is like a blind-cow, going behind a herd of cows, reaching the
cowshed of the Master! If, Manikkavachakar says that he is a
blind cow, where are we, the useless felllows, to go?  What is
the way out?  As Dr. Raju, these are all for chitta suddhi.

In Siva Puranam, the first decad of Tiruvachakam, Manikkavachakar

I am a slave, lower than the lowly dog!
But You are like a Mother!

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: What is real tapas
« on: October 24, 2008, 11:33:02 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

We we continously meditate on the Awareness, like a thyla dhara,
the flow of oil, without any break, continuous, smooth and noise-
less, then that is 'tapas'.  One need not wait for a Guru from outside.
If one needs certain corrections, improvements, then the Guru will
appear to him, with or without his efforts.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: does spiritualism change the person or his situation
« on: October 24, 2008, 11:29:33 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

As Dr. Raju said, the world will not change.  But, if we change ourselves,
by going nearer and nearer to the Self, the world will appear different,
full of bliss, since there is nothing other than the Self, and the Self
is Sat-Chit-Ananda.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Anna Suddhi is purifying the rice with ghee.  The ghee is always
considered right from Vedic times, as a purifier.  It is offered in
Agni for sacrifices.  Sprinkling water around the plate by Brahmins,
is called Pari-seshanam.  There could be many reasons.  One is to
prevent the ants and other moving small insects from crossing
towards the plate. Or, it is again to purify the surrounding the leaf.

The other aspects regarding Naivedyam are not clear to me.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes. You are right.

Arunachala Siva.

Once some women wanted to cross Yamuna river and they met
Krishna.  He asked for all the dishes that they were carrying for
Durvasa on the other bank.  Krishna took them all and the
women were hesitating to cross the river, since the river was
full.  Krishna said:  I am hungry, let the river give way for you all."
The river parted and every one crossed.  On the other side of the
river, Durvasa was seen.  The women apologized that all the eats
had been consumed by Krishna.  Durvasa said, "I do not want
anything. My stomach is full."

Now, who ate the dishes and who did not eat the dishes?

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Atma's Will
« on: October 23, 2008, 06:52:24 PM »
Someone asked Bhagavan Ramana:

It is said in Upanishads that One can know Atma, only if the Atma
wills it.  Why should Atma will ?  Why should Atma will only a
particular person?

Bhagavan Ramana replied:

When the Sun rises, all lotus buds do not bloom.  Only a few bloom.
How can we find fault with the Sun?  The buds cannot bloom on their
own.  The Sunlight is required.

The devotee continued:

Can we not say that Atma only places the screen around, can not
we say that it is only with the Atma's help, that one can remove it?

Bhagavan Ramana replied:

We can say that.

The devotee further asked:

Since Atma has placed the screen on its own accord, should not
Atma remove that screen too?

Bhagavan Ramana continued:

Yes.  But see to whom this screen is.

The devotee pursued:

Why should I see?  Let Atma take away its own screen?

Bhagavan said:

If this question is asked by Atma, then It can remove the screen too.
But for whom is this question?

(Source:  Maharshi Voi Mozhi, Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.