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Dear Ramanaduli,

Bhagavan mentioned this Heart Centre or Heart Cave, as only
inside the body.  He has said in Sri Ramana Gita and Ulladu Narpadu,
"Hrydaya Guhara madhye".  Esoterically, it can be everywhere and
so also the chakras  of raja yoga.  But for seekers, it should be taken
as only inside the body, two digits to the right of the midchest,
different from blood pumping physical heart.

The idea is that one need not seek Godhead outside.  God is inside
in the cave of the Heart.  Upon self-realization, you will understand
that Heart is everywhere, because Heart is the Self, Brahman, or

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Miracles
« on: October 22, 2008, 10:51:39 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Do not expect miracles.  These are like 'siddhis', a great jugglery,
to divert you.  Miracles do happen in a true Jnani's Presence, not
because he had 'sankalpa' but because of His Presence.  All
the 'so called miracles' in Bhagavan's court in the Old Hall,
are of this type.  This is the Power of the Presence.  Let us not
expect miracles but seek only His grace.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: introduction and some questions
« on: October 22, 2008, 10:48:18 AM »
Dear Matthias,

Meditaton in the Heart Centre or Heart Cave, as  Bhagavan Ramana
says, is there for all the seekers.  This is during the process of
self enquiry before self realization.  Since we are always used to identify
with an object for worship, be it Siva Linga or a Cross, this duality
should be continued for quite some time.  The Heart Centre is not the
physcial heart or one of the chakras.  This is a focal point for the
purpose of self enquiry.  The fact that it gives peace and tranquility
is a welcome sign.  But over a period of time, you shall understand
that you have to go beyond that location, to understand and merge
in the Self, or the Heart or Brahman.  Heart Centre or Heart Cave
is different from Heart.

There are blockages in the throat centre etc.,  These may be due to your
previous practices in this birth or during earlier births, where you
might have practised that kind of meditaton on the chakras.  These
hurdles and hurdles, like inexplainable fear, emptiness etc., will
go off, once you pursue your meditation or enquiry.

I believe you are in the correct path.  Please pursue regardless
of hurdles.

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: what is Ananda
« on: October 22, 2008, 10:37:51 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Going to the temple or doing pooja at home altar, these are all
only to orient the mind, with one thought, so that a stream of
a large number of thoughts may not swarm you.  These are only
aids to self realization for self enquiry.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: samkalpa and vikalpa
« on: October 22, 2008, 10:33:27 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

As Dr. Raju said, Sankalpa is a fevered determination, to find things
which are relative and not permanent.  Vikalpa is the doubt arising,
whether it would be good or bad, all in the non-self.  Bhagavan
Ramana uses two other dyads, love and hate.  He says both should
be eschewed.  Hate, we understand.  We should abhor hating.
But, love, who to abhor it?  Bhagavan says, even love for nonself
is to be avoided.  Being in the Self, is a state where both love and
hate are not there.

Arunachala Siva.     

Dear srkudai,  Heart Centre, as Bhagavan said is on the right
side of the chest, two digits right to the midchest.  This is for
all seekers, which is of course, duality.  But no mantra is needed.
Heart Centre becomes the Heart or the Self, all pervading, in and
out, high and low, left and right, without any specific location, after

Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,

Annamalai Swami was in the Asram, doing various minor and major
consruction work.  After 12 such years, Bhagavan told him to stop
working and to do meditation.  He stayed in Asram for some more time
and then moved to Palakottu about 500 metres from Asram.
He is said to have realized the Self later.  In 1980s, many Indian
and Western devotees came to Annamalai Swami for listening to him about Bhagavan and also his own sadhana. After his leaving the body, he was interred in Palakottu and there is a samadhi for him.  I visited his Samadhi when I went to Tiruvannamalai in Sep 2008.  He is different
from Sri Sadhu Om.

There are references about Annamalai Swami in various books
like Talks etc., There are three books exclusively on him.
One is his reminscences in Tamil.  The other two are written/
edited by David Godman.  These are -

1. Living with the Words of Bhagavan.
2. Annamalai Swami - Final Talks.

Arunachala Siva.

Major A. W. Chadwick, later Sadhu Arunachala was a very rare
Western devotee.  There are a number of special things about him.
His name and incidents connected with his life and his experiences are
narated in a number of Ramanasramam books, including Talks.
He has also written a book tiitled:  A Sadhu's Reminiscences.

A few rare things about this great seeker are:-

1. He came to Bhagavan in 1936 and never returned to his place
or country.

2. He showed great interest in Veda Parayana, Sri Chakra Pooja
and other ancient rituals. 

3. After Bhagavan's Maha Nirvana, he used to sit between 8 a.m
to 10 a.m. and again between 5 p.m to 7 p.m. in front of Bhagavan's
Samadhi and meditate.

4. He was helpful in organizing a Veda Patasala inside Ramanasramam
and also organized Sri Chakra Pooja in Mathrubhutesvarar Temple.

5. He used to delight in Narayana Suktam of Maha Narayana Upanishad,
which was chanted in Asram.

A few more things/incidents, I shall post in due course, with due
credit to books of Sri Ramansramam and Sadhu Arunachala's
own reminscences.

Arunachala Siva.   

Someone asked Annamalai Swami:

"Are there differences in the degree of realization of the Self?
For example, Ramana was widely acclaimed as a Sadguru.
Is you understanding the same as Ramana's?"

Annamalai Swami replied:

"You see a big lamp before you.  Your own lamp is unlit. So
you bring your lamp to the lamp which is already burning.
And when you go away from that lamp, you have your own lamp,
your own light.  Wherever you go, from that point on, the light
is with you.  The state of Jnana is the same for all.  Anyone
who realizes the Self is in the same state of peace, which is
beyond the mind.

Though the experience of the Self is the same in all cases,
it is true that some Jnanis end up helping a lot of people, whereas
others who are equally enlightened, may help fewer people. Some
Jnanis do not teach at all.  They live ordinary lives and are rarely,
if ever, recognized for what they really are.

(Then he gives the example of water bodies...)

Bhagavan was one of those big, blazing lights, that could light
up a huge area.  He guided and brought light to many people."

(Source:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks. Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.

Bhagavan Ramana was easily the most photographed Jnani upto
His times.  There are innumberable photographs of Bhagavan.
There are also phtographs of the Temple, Cow Lakshmi, Asram, photographs of Tiruchuzhi house and Madurai house, His father's and mother's photographs, His paternal uncles' photographs etc.,

Mr. Sodousky, (Mouni Sadhu) mentions in his book three photographs.
The best was, according to him, the one that was taken around 1934
or 1935. It shows His face against the background of a kind of
luminous cross, formed by the reflection of light.

Another one, well-known to all readers of books on Bhagavan
Ramana, shows Him in a classical yogic postrure, sitting cross-legged
on a platform covered with a tiger skin.  It was probably taken after
His monthly shaving, for the features are free of the white beard.
Here, both the purity of line and expression of incomparable power
are emphasized more than any other picture.  It shows, for a true
seeker's contemplation, the face of the Saint, who has for long
left behind Him all the weaknesses, imperfections and miseries
that reign among us.  It shows one who has forever transcended
all ignorance, now faces the highest realtiy where no doubts or
fears can exist. 

The third well known photograph represents the face of the Master
in a halo of white hair and beard, with a soft smile of ineffable

(This is probably the one which is available in all Ramansramam

M. Sodousky says that this third photograph remained with him
for ever engraved on his heart, not only in its outward appearance,
but infinitely more.

Every Ramana devotee may like a particular photograph of
Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  They may post their feelings about
their Guru's particular photograph.  I for one, who likes the third
one mentioned above as also His photograph that was taken
when He was 21, while Sivaprakasam Pillai met Him, in Virupaksha
Cave, during 1901-1902.

Arunachala Siva.     

Bhagavan Ramana has always stressed on the Heart Centre
for meditation.  Regarding the meditation on the midpoint of
two eyebrows, He said that it involves a duality, since you are in the
Heart Centre and you have to meditate on a centre which is not you.
This needs some Japa.  That means, both the physical eye and the
physical ear are to be alert.  These additonal requirements are not
there in respect of Heart Centre.  You have to just be still and meditate
on your Heart Centre.  Hence this is Supreme.

(Source: Maharshi Vaimozhi - Tamil)

Arunachala Siva. 

Once Bhagavan Ramana, when asked by Annamalai Swami
about the greatenss of Jivan Muktas, replied:

"Every person who comes under the 'look' of a Jivan Mukta,
gets relieved from all the sins of the past and will be liberated.
Even the lineage of a Jivan Mukta becomes Pure.*  His mother
is a Kritarthai, that is who has done her work.  The whole world
becomes Pure due to a Jivan Mukta. Such greatness is attributed
to a Jivan Mukta in Suta Samhita."

* It is also said in Bhagavatam that thirty generations before and
thirty generations after the Jivan Mukta get liberated.  Hiranya
Kashyap was said to have been liberated due to Prahlada.

The mother of Jivan Mukta is beyond compare.  It is she who has
done the work in this world, and there is nothing more to be done.
Sundaramoorthy Swami's mother and father had been liberated and
form two of the 63 saints of Siva Canon.  Tilakvati, the mother-
like sister of Tirunavukkarasu became liberated because of her

Arunachala Siva.

Bhagavan Ramana never had sleep in the usual manner of
everyone, lying on his back.  He had, on a few occasions, suggested
that sleep between 10 p.m. and 2 a.m. should be adequate. This
rule is not everyone, like the labourer who does hard physical
work, those who are sick and others.  He has said that one should
divide the night time of 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. into three parts of 4
hours each and sleep only during the middle period of 4 hours.

He has also suggested that once you get up from sleep before than
the normal waking time, say 5 am instead of 6 am, one should
not go to sleep further!  He also disapproved sleeping during day time.

Please keep in mind, these are all only aids to meditation and
other techniques.  Presciptions may vary depending upon a person.

Arunachala Siva.     

M. SODOUSKY, (later Mouni Sadhu) came to Bhagavan Ramana,
by the end of 1949 and stayed upto Bhagavan Ramana's Maha Nirvana,
and perhaps even longer.  He was a spriritually advanced soul, and
he was in the Arunachala Group of Brazil.  He published a little
book in Portugese language, inter alia, containing quotations from
Viveka Choodamani and Imitation of  Christ by Thomas Kempis.

Once Bhagavan asked for the book and He went thorough the
contents (a Portugese book!) and suggested to M. Sodousky,
to give the sources of the quotations of all the verses of Viveka
Choodamani and also the book of Kempis.  Sodousky spent some
days in the Asram library and did that work. 

Sodousky has chosen a quite number of Viveka Choodamani verses,
about 60 or so of them, for daily meditation and contemplation.

Further, he has chosen 9 verses from Viveka Choodamani,
for daily recitation and contemplation.  These are, (as per
Sanskrit Book),

Verses 409, 255, 256, 257, 258, 260, 261, 263 and 264.

Even though this selection must have been approved by Bhagavan
Ramana, there is no confirmation to that effect. 

(Source:  In Days of Great Peace, Mouni Sadhu.)

Arunachala Siva.   

We all know that Bhagavan Ramana never took much food.
In the early days in the Temple precincts and then at Vahana
Mantapam, Patala Lingam, Vazhai Thoppu and other places,
He practically starved.  Later when some devotees brought food,
he took a mixture of rice gruel and other stuff, only a tumbler full
per day.  Even that food, a major part of it was remaining in His
mouth and it had to scooped out by devotees like Palaniswami,
the next day.  He was taking one food per day for a long time,
starving at night.  When someone came to visit Him and on that
rainy night, when some other parties brought some coconut, sugar
and plantains, the devotees made a mixture and the devotees were
taking that and Bhagavan Ramana took something at that night, saying:
"With this I am breaking my 365 days fasting at nights!"

Once Annamalai Swami, asked  Bhagavan Ramana, whether he could
live with some coconut, jaggery, one unripe mango, some peanuts,
for a day, Bhagavan said "O!  Why not?  Go ahead.  These items will
give you some diarrohea in the initial days, but do not worry."
Annamalai Swami lived on that type of food for many days and
found more time to remain still or meditate!

(Source:  Enadhu Ninaivugal , Kutreval Kunju Swamigal.
                  Sri Ramana Reminscences - Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.