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46876
Dear non duel, srkudai, Raju,  I saw all the posts exchanged between
you three.  Very interesting.  What is difficult?  The difficulty is in
removal of thoughts.  It is like adamantly wearing green glasses
and complaining to the doctor that the world is looking green.  It
is like that fellow (the story that I have written about a few days
back), who wants the 'monkey' on his chest all the time, even
after the doctor has cut the knot and released the monkey.
Bhagavan said:  Be still.  He did not say: Think still.  That is the
whole problem.  If one could vanquish all the thoughts, then
one is self realized.

Dear nonduel, You are asking, What is next?  There is no next.
Being still is self realization.  The very thought to ask, What is
next? produces thoughts.  Since there is no next, it is Brahman,
for Brahman is One without a second.  Brahman is all pervasive,
there is no next, there is no pretext.  It is this conviction that should
remain with us all the time.

I am not sure, whether I have made the point clear.  If it is not
clear, we  should all work it out with, different sets of words.

What Bhagavan told Annamalai Swami, IS THE TEACHING, THE CRUX.

Arunachala Siva.           

46877
Dear non duel and Raju,  Both of you are correct.  Being still
is the most difficult, because tendencies to act are surging.
Even there are no tendencies to act, thoughts are surging forth.
Bhagavan said that to overcome this, think about one thing,
say, Who am I? or I am Brahman etc., etc.,  If one finds no
answer or get a conviction, I am not this or I am not that, and I am only
Brahman, then at that point, one is merged in the Self.  It is like
a silk worm inside the cocoon, becoming the bee, after contemplating
that I am a bee, and that this is not the place for me!

Arunachala Siva.

     

46878
Dear srkudai, Raju and others:  Bhagavan Ramana has said
in Talks (I do not remember to whom He said and on what
occasion, but when these two 'margas' were discussed) that
the seekers shoud try to make efforts on their own, that is
monkey way, to realize the Self.  He has also said that Guru and
God will help you in Self realization, but will not lift you up and drop you
into the Self and for that purpose, one should follow the ways of
Guru in letter and spirit.  He has also said the same in Who am I?
to Sivaprakasam Pillai. The story about seeking the Guru who is
keeping his legs on the Siva lingam is from Korak Kumbar & Mukti
Natheshwar and this has also been told by Bhagavan Ramana.  This
is the story told by one of the Veera Saiva saints in 'The Speaking
of Siva.'  This is also attributed to the Tamil poet and Jnani Avvaiyar,
a lady saint.  She said the same thing to the king, who got angry
when he saw her keeping her legs on Siva lingam.

Arunachala Siva.     
 

46879
Dear Gangajal,  Your two ways of Bhakti Marga, the monkey way
and the cat way have also been discussed with Bhagavan by
somone in His Talks.  He said categorically that He did not approve
of the cat way, and wanted every seeker to make efforts on their
own, (by holding on to the mother monkey's belly) to merge
with the Self.  He also says in Who am I?  "God and Guru will
help the seekers to attain self realization, but will not on their
own, lift and drop the seekers into the Self!  Everyone should
follow the ways of god and guru.

Arunachala Siva.   

46880
Dear Raju,  The Zen Master's statement:  "If you want to see
Buddha on the road kill him!" is the great truth of Advaita
Sadhana.  There is a book with that title.

Arunachala Siva.

46881
Dear Raju,  Yes.  Visions are also dual but as you say, they help us
in the process of self realization.  David Godman says that even
the visions of Ganapati Muni, seeing Bhagvan as avatara of Skanda,
Jnana Sambandha and Kumarila Bhatta, are also dual and these
may not be correct, even though the Muni made these points
in Sri Ramana Gita.  I had some exachange of comments with
David regarding this point.  I told him that I did not want to
discuss the duality of the visions, but the avatara conclusions
of Ganapati Muni are true.

Arunachala Siva.

   

46882
Dear Raju,  You have answered srkudai, on the point that
I wanted to make.  Be it atma vichara, or be it  atma samarpana,
the difficulty, is with our fattened ego.

Arunachala Siva.   

46883
General Discussion / Meeting Vladimir in T. Malai
« on: September 05, 2008, 03:12:07 PM »
Dear Vladimir,  I could see your personal message to me thorugh
the Forum, only today.  Please forgive me for not replying earlier.

I went to T. Malai during 2002 and again in May-June 2008.
Possibly, I am not the person, you are referring to and saying
that somone you met about one and a half years ago.

Arunachala Siva.

46884
General Discussion / Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: September 05, 2008, 03:08:47 PM »
Dear nondsait, I did not see your message in the Personal Message
of yours through that column in the Forum till today.  Please
forgive me. 

Vichara, confers Cosmic Consciousness, which is the Self.  It does
not cure the diseases, in the ordinary parlance.  It gives the
realized person, enormous strength to withstand the pain and
agony of such ailments, as if it is an ant bite.  It can be termed 'karmic', but again it may not be true in the case of a self realized person,
since he is beyond the three karmas, Agami, Sanchita and Prarabdha.
There are various theories on Bhagavan's terminal cancer.  But
no one has proved anything.  But the truth remains, that He
withstood it as an ant bite.


Arunachala Siva.   

46885
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Bhagavan in Dream
« on: September 05, 2008, 10:57:10 AM »
Dear Sankar and srkudai,  Dreams and visions are not substitues
for merger with Bhagavan.  But they can be useful as our prayers
to personal gods, outside.

Arunachala Siva. 

46886
Dear gangajal and srkudai,  Yes.  Surrender is as difficult as
self enquiry.   We are all doing partial surrenders thinking it
is surrender.  Total surrender is something quite different.  Saint
Manikkavachagar says in Tiruvachakam, Tiruvembavai,

" O Siva, I am your maiden, I am subservient to you always.
Our breasts will not rest in anyone's else's shoulders excepting yours!
After that, what if, if it is day or night?  I do not see either.
I do not care, even if the sun rises in any direction! "

Arunachala Siva.
 

46887
General Discussion / Re: Freedom from occupation
« on: September 04, 2008, 05:52:26 PM »
Dear srkudai and Raju, Yes.  Suddha manas operates from
the Self and is different from the thoughts of the ordinary
persons.

Arunachala Siva.


46888
General Discussion / Re: Freedom from occupation
« on: September 04, 2008, 02:15:07 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Yes, Thoughts do spring up after realization.  It
is from Suddha manas, for helping others and posterity.  Sankara
wrote many books, composed wonderful verses like  Soundarya
Lahari and Sivananda Lahari.  It the Self realized people could
not have thoughts, then the disciples and future generations
would not have any teachings, from them.  The Suddha Manas
operates in Sahaja Samadhi.

Arunachala Siva. 

46889
Dear Raju, Very nice.  I also remember his menstruation, when
he was playing the role of Radha.

Arunachala Siva.

46890
Dear srkudai,  Yes.  Sri RK suggested to act like noble souls,
gods etc.,  Even in normal worldly life, we see mediocre students
keeping the brilliant students as role models, following such
pracices like studying at regular hours, doing the homework
promptly etc., and impoving in their studies.  Many Western
devotees kept fellow seekers or Bhagavan as role models and
stopped eating meat.  Devaraja Mudaliar also adopted vegetarianism
like that.  Many ashramites got up in early mornings, which was
not their usual practice, by following Bhagavan and other Ashramites.

Sri RK, did that with intense bhavana.  It is said that he grew
a tail when he was meditating or acting like Hanuman.  During
his Islamic sadhana, he literally forgot Kali and other Hindu gods
and hated idol worship.  Intense conviction is essential.  Ribhu
Gita also says the same.  A worm inside the cocoon, intensely
meditated on the mother, and came out of the cocoon as a fly!
Saint Manikkavachagar says in Tiruvachakam:  "Natakathal
un-adiyar pol nadithu, veedahathe puguvan vizhaii hindren!"
"I am acting as your devotee and am eager to rush to Sivaloka!"

Arunachala Siva.