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46861
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Atma Vidya Vilasam - (3)
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:30:26 PM »
Verse 4:- The Atman, which ever effulgent, with no one
excepting himself, has no form.  He is without sound and
voice.  He is untouched, (asparsa, as Gaudapada said).
He is without tendencies, vasanas.  He is ancient but
ever young and he is immortal.  He cannot be visualized
through your eyes, for he is experiential. He has no movement.
He is neither provable or disprovable.  He is the Present, the
Past and the Future.  For the seekers, to cognize, he is said
to be within one's Heart cave.  For the advanced souls, he
is in the Space.  He is also said to be in all the worlds of the
universe.

Verse 5:- Atman is encompassed by the illusion, Maya, even
though he is unrelated to anything. He is bound by ignorance,
even though he is all Knowledge.  Only through his mercy
and grace, one can perceive him.  Brahman lies like a dagger
in the sheath.  Unless you investigate this sheath, that is
maya and ignorance, you can never mege with him.  Poeple
calling him with various names, have not understood him!
He is like a seed, underneath the earth.  Earth has no
knowledge of it.  Unless you water the earth, that is with
your humble investigation, the seed does not sprout.

Verse 6:-  The Jiva is masked by illusion that is Maya.  Bound
by Maya's spell, he is waking, dreaming, sleeping, suffers
from poverty, amasses weatlh and suffers the horrors of
wealth. He takes rebirth and once again suffers.  All false
perceptions appear when he recognizes that this bondage is
of his own making.  The awakening does not come about by
reading scriputures but only by initiation given to the disciple
by the learned and realized Guru.   

to be contd....

Arunachala Siva.

46862
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Atma Vidya Vilasam - (2)
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:05:03 PM »
Sadasiva Brahmendra, the author, then prays to the Primal
Guru Sri Dakshinamoorthy and his guru in the world, Sri
Parama Sivendra in the opening verses.

Verse 1:- I salute Sri Dakshinamoorthy, who sits under a
banyan tree and with a cinmudra sign, denoting the union
of jiva and Brahman, and teaches the Brahma-Jnana through
Infinite Silence!  He dispels the ignorance of the seekers and
reveals Brahman, in his own form.

Verse 2:-  I meditate in my miind Sadguru Sivendra, who
annihilates the illusion brought about by the Buddhistic
cults, by his Advaita 'tejas' (light).  He is the boat to cross
the ocean of samsara, (wordly life), with all its miseries.

Verse 3:-  I salute Sivendra Guru, who possesses the same name
of Sadasiva.  It is through his tremendous power and message
flowing from his lips, I understood my identity with the all-
pervading Brahman.  With that Brahman within me , I am
having infinite peace, which has not been brought by reading
various scriptures.

to be contd....

Arunachala Siva.   

46863
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Atma Vidya Vilasam - (1)
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:52:31 AM »
Dear non duel and everyone,  I could not contact Kamakoti
Peetam of Kanchipuram,  Tamil Nadu for the English translation.
But this morning I caught hold of an English translation.  All
Ramana-Maya!

Introduction:-

Atman is the subtlest thing in the universe, for the seekers
during their seeking stage.  The Vedas describe That like this:
The cow has tail, with tuft of hair on it.  Pluck one hair from
the tuft.  Make hundred parts of it.  Take that one hundredth
part of the hair and make one thousand parts.  Take one
thousandth part of it and make again one thousand parts.  That
one ultimate part is the Atman!  This imagery is to drive home
the subtlety of Atman, during stage of meditation, looking for
a Form for Atman.

Atman is all pervading, Pure Consciousnes and Infinite Bliss.  It
is cognized only through techniques of negation, as Not this,
Not this.  Atman is Ananda Swarupa. 

to be contd....

Arunachala Siva.             

46864
Dear gangajal,  You are a new member.  Hearty welcome to you.
Sri RK stressed both bhakti and jnana.  Sri Ramana's emphasis
was that bhakti is the pathway to jnana and for self realization,
jnana alone is needed.

Arunachala Siva.   

46865
Dear Sankar,  If we are the Self, we are the instruments and
the player.  We are the actors and the audience!

Aunachala Siva.

46866
General topics / Re: WHO IS BRAHMAN ?
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:32:59 AM »
Dear Sankar,  Brahman is One without a second.  There is
noboday else, to treat with equlity or inequality.  He is
harmless, because there is no one else to harm or support.
Will you treat your two eyes inqually?  No. Because you are
the eyes.  Will you harm one leg and suport another leg?
No.  Because you are the legs.

Aruanchala Siva.   

46867
General topics / Re: WHO IS LIBERATED SOUL ?
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:29:41 AM »
Dear Sankar,  A liberated soul is all that you have described,
because, there is nothing else in the universe apart from Self.
Since It is the Only thing, One without a second, It qualifies
for all the attributes.

Arunachala Siva.

46868
General Discussion / Re: Attending to self
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:26:42 AM »
Dear Sankar, There is duality till the self enquiry or self
surrender merges into the goal, the Self.  Then, there is
selflessness, that is there is no individual self or soul.  But,
it is full of SELF-ishness!

Arunachala Siva. 

46869
General Discussion / Re: SURRENDER IS THE ONLY WAY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:23:18 AM »
Dear Sankar, Yes.  Self enquiry and Atma Samarpana lead
to self realization.  Self realized Jnanis, have surrendered
their individual soul and have merged into the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

46870
General Discussion / Re: What is not Meditation
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:21:08 AM »
Dear Raju,  Yes.  Meditation towards an outside god, involves
thoughts.  Meditation within can be without thought.

Arunachala Siva.

46871
General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:18:50 AM »
Dear Sankar and non duel,  What I meant was that the life stories
of saints can be read from books.  After reading such books, the
purport of the happenings in their lives can be discussed. 
Yesterday, srkuadi, wrote about Sri RK.  Now, unless one
knows about Sri RK and Saradhamani, Sri RK and Mathur Babu,
or Sri RK and Bhairavi Brahamani,  one cannot appreciate the
the incidents and the purport of such incidents.  Hence I
suggested about reading the books containing the life histories
of such books.

Arunachala Siva.     

46872
General Discussion / Re: Freedom from occupation
« on: September 02, 2008, 07:20:07 PM »
Dear srkudai,  I am only repeating what I have already said:
Thoughtless state is Self Realization.  If thoughts spring up,
after Self is realized, these are the thoughts from Suddha Manas,
Pure Mind and are harmless.

Arunachala Siva.

46873
General Discussion / Re: What is not Meditation
« on: September 02, 2008, 07:15:37 PM »
Dear srkudai, Adding to whatever you have said,  Meditation
is not 'aniya bhava', it is 'ananiya bhava' that is to have
a bhavana or conviction, that you are not different from the Self.
This is the advice of Bhagavan Ramana in Upadesa Saram.

Arunachala Siva. 

46874
Dear srkudai and others,  Sri Ramakrishna used 'crying' as
an expression of 'bhakti' and considered it as major tool
for self-realization.  He used to talk of 'Maha-bhava', the
horripilation, crying, singing, dancing as indications of
the higest devotion.  Saint Manikkavachagar also sings:
"Can I not get you by crying? O Siva!" in Tiruvachakam.
Even though Jnana and advaita are the main planks of
Sri Ramakrishna Order, many direct disciples and today's
monks of the Order, have recommended 'bhakti', as a major
route, for self realization.  For example, Sri Ramakrishnanda,
who started the Madras Math, was praying to Krishna and
RK.  Swami Vivekananda was not like that.  He was not even
praying before  RK's picture.   Later, Swami Ranganathananda
was an exponent of pure Jnana.  Swami Tapasyananda was an
exponent of bhakti also.

Bhagavan Ramana did not discourage crying.  He told Mother
Azhagamma, to cry, when He had chided her for a small mistake.
Muruganar and Krishna Bhikshu have cried.  Bhagavan said
crying will help to belittle one's own ego but not to merge with
Godhead. In fact, Arunachala Aksharamana Malai, the Marital Garland
of Letters is full of crying, of the lover (Ramana) to merge in Godhead
(Arunachala). 
   
Arunachala Siva.   

46875
Dear srkudai and others,  Mother was everything for Sri Ramakrishna.
Once Mathur Babu, said that his wife Jagadamba is seriously ill
and doctors could not cure her.  He requested RK to pray Kali for
his sake.  RK went to Kali and prayed to Her sincerely.  He took
Mathur Babu to the garden in Dakshineshwar and showed him the
flowers.  Mathur Babu was still sceptic about RK's ability to cure
his wife. Suddenly RK said that these plants, (which will only
have red flowers), will have green flowers, and asked Mathur Babu
to come and see tomorrow.  Mathur Babu did not understand RK's
behaviour, went home and came back again next day, more worried
about his wife's health.  That day RK showed him the green flowers
from those plants, which will have only red flowers!  That evening,
Mathur Babu's wife became totally normal.  RK told him that what
cannot be done by a human being, god will do.  Someone,
who was an agnositc asked RK humourously,  "What is your Kali
doing now?"  RK replied:  "She is pushing an elephant through
the eyes of a needle!"  What is impossible for God or Brahman?


Arunachala Siva.