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Dear srkudai,  About the intentions and not the act of the Zen
master,  one day, I was seen caressing a photo of Bhagavan
Sri Ramana, (the bust size photograph) on a book, and on seeing
me, my wife asked:  "What are you doing?  What are you telling
Ramana?  I answered, which was a truth:  " I am asking Him,
why not You apply some oil or thylam everyday on your chest,
so that the marks on your chest, (due to some ailment of the past),
can be kept wet and it will not dry up and peel off, causing pain
and bleeding!"  My wife looked at me curiously and asked "Why?
Does He not know Himself?"  I replied:  "No, may be Yes. But, I am
only telling Him, my intention and wish!"

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear skrudai, Nice story of Sri RK about the dog biting and chewing
the dry bone and enjoying the blood that was oozing out from its
gums.  One story of Sri RK, where He was exccedingly kind and
cool, was when Girish asked Him to cure His throat cancer, and when
He was doing nothing to cure Himself, Girsh said:  "You are believing
in a God, and if that god does not cure you, I shall piss on that god!"
Sri RK did not react in either way!

Arunachala Siva.

« on: September 14, 2008, 12:14:11 PM »
Dear Raju,  Your nice post.  For the sake of Prahlada, Narayana,
had to stay in every pillar of the palace, so that when Hiranya Kashayp
hits any pillar, He can come out!  Further, He also stayed in his Heart,
a place, which he never bothered to look in!

Arunachala Siva.

« on: September 13, 2008, 07:04:13 PM »
Dear all, Scientists, as a group, about 10,000 in number, have
tried to find God in the France-Switzerland border, by constructing
a LHC, a Large Hadron Collider (about 27 km long tunnel, the biggest
scientific equipment, so far, and beaming two protons (a sub atomic
particle, with positive charge from the two opposite sides of the tunnel,
at a speed of nearing the speed of light (about 185000 kms per
second).  The beams of two protons were travelling from the
opposite sides, whizzing past 11000 times a second and collded
to find out what is called Higgs Boson or Higgs Particle and
christened as God's Particle.  This Higgs Particle is supposed to
the most ancient matter, that occured immediately after the
Big Bang, the Great Sound, that caused the billions of gaaxies
of the universe.  This is called God's Particle, because it is
everywhere, but elusive to human detection, like God!  This
Particle is also responsible for anti-matter or dark matter, the
vaccuum that is said to be there in distant galaxies causing the
sucking of the other stars, into them, into the darkness beyond
compare.  The experiement is conducted by CERN, a European
Organization for Nuclear Research.  It is a French acryonym.
Stephen Hawking, the famous astro-physicist, Lucasian Professor
of Mathematics at Cambridge University, who is an agnositc,
has said:  "Whatever the LHC finds or fails to find,  the results
will tell us more about the structure of the universe, but will not tell
us about the God's Particle, which is the first cause for formation
of the universe!

So, there are scientists who are trying to find God, outside their
individual souls!  We in the Forum are trying to find God
within us, under the Greatest Scientist, after Gaudapada and
Sankara, (one man group!) by Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi!

More about LHC and Professor Stephen Hawking, author of
A Brief History of Time, in due course, if there is any response
for this post.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear non duel,  Bhagavan Sri Ramana is the 'stranger'
who comes and gives us all one blow each, so that we
shall count for each blow once, and Eureka! the tenth
man is with us! 

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Indian Cuisine - (4)
« on: September 13, 2008, 01:08:59 PM »
Dear non duel and others,

Today's menu is, Pahal-kai-Pitlai.  It only means a thick gravy
done out of pahal-kai, bitter-gourd.  Bitter gourd has been a
medicine for diabetics from ancient days in India.  It is also a
vegetable for its anti-oxidant properties and is a killer of germs
inside the liver and stomach.

Cut the bitter gourd, into small pieces, and after removing the
seeds if only these are hard, otherwise it is not necessary,
soak it in cold water for some time. 

In the vessel or pan, place some tamarind paste and water,
and heat it up. Add necessary salt, jeera, corinander seeds,
turmeric powder,  and masala and allow it to boil.  After its
boiling, put the cut pieces of bitter-gourd and stir it for about
20 minutes, till the vegetable disintegrate and mix with the
solution.  Take one piece of bitter gourd through a ladel and
crush it with two fingers.  If it crushes easily, then it is ready.
Put off the burner and add curry leaves to the gravy and let
it cool.

Take a separate pan,pour some til oil, heat it.  While it is hot,
put mustard, red chilies and toor dhal and as the mustard seeds
start cracking, withdraw the heat. 

Add this to the gravy already prepared.  Reheat it for a minute
or two and serve.

This thick gravy called bitter-gourd pitlai, ( I really do not know
what pitlai is) and this can be used with rice, chaptattis, and
bread.  The gravy can be placed between two bread pieces and
taken as sandwich too.

Arunachala Siva.     

Dear srkudai,  Well written. It is the mind which is the engineer
behind all dualities,  sukham, dukkam, good and bad, pleasure
and pain, world and jive, god and man et al.  Sadhana is nothing
but fighting and killing the dualities.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear non duel, srkudai, Gangaal, Sankar,  We are all going
round and round the snake, because we are yet to see the rope!
Where is the tenth man, by the way?

Arunachala Siva.

Dear non duel, Sankar, srkudai,  The delusion or avidya or
ignorance can be empirical knowledge.  Knowledge is Self
Knowledge.  The empirical knowledge of snake, is delusion
avidya, ignorance.  When rope is seen, it is Self Knowledge.
The loss of necklace or the drowning of the 'tenth man' is
again empirical knowledge.  Finding the necklace around one's
own neck and 'seeing the tenth man alive' is Self Knowledge.

Dear non duel, the Self is definitely not beyond knowledge.
It is Knowledge.
Self is neither delusion nor knowledge in its empirical sense.
Self is Knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Sankar,  You are correct.  Jnani's actions cannot be
deciphered into any partiuclar empirical truth.  For example,
He told Ramanatha Brahmachari, to remove his tuft and have
a shave and also discontinue daily ritual of Gayatri and Sandhya
Vandhanam.  When someone else wanted to put these into
practice, he shouted at him and said not to discontinue. This
is also true for a Jnani's teachings.  Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni
interepreted Ulladu Narpadu as a sakta treatise.  Lakshmana
Sarma interpreted Ulladu Narpadu purely on the basiis
of Ajata doctrine of Gaudapada, the highest form of Advaita.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear non duel,  Or could it be non duel's Knowledge?

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear srkudai and Sankar,

You said that Bhagavan withdrew the mind, due to surgery so
that He could not have the pain and did not do so, during knee
problem.  This raises another question.  Where was the mind
for Him to withdraw or not to withdraw?

In this connection, I have to quote only the first verse of
Kamba Ramayanam in Tamil by Kambar, 10th century AD.

O Narayana, we surrender to your feet,
You are the one who plays a clueless play!
You make the world, sustain it and and dissolve it,
You are there in the world but not there."

Like Brahman, Brahma Jnani is also a person of clue less play!

Why did He bear with the pain of surgery?  Why did He not.
during knee joint pain?   Why did He have medicine for His
eczema? Why did He have spectacles for reading (during His
later years?  Why did He fall down in the Ashram and have a
sprained neck?

How do we know, srkudai?

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal and srkudai,  Your nice posts.  Jnani does also
have pain.  But only thing is, he does not mind it, because he
has no mind.  Saiva Siddhanta says that the pain and suffering
from will be 'thinned'.  In other words, what has come to hit
the Jnani's head, will hit his head-wear and it will fall.  Bhagavan
Ramana has said the pain due to sarcoma bleeding and surgeries
were like ant bites!  Dr Guruswami Mudaliar who did the surgeries
has said that the pain would be as excrucitating as if a lorry is
running over your hand.

Arunachala Siva.     

Dear Gangajal,  As you say, only a Brahma Jnani can feel
that he is not the body and he is neither born, nor is he going
to die.  For all the rest, body is very much there and so are the
pain and pleasure and the fear of burning ghats.  Vivekananda,
I believe, once said:  I believe in Advaita, but when a stone
hits my leg, there is pain and I feel 'Oh, there is pain."

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear srkudai, Gangajal and Sankar,

Gangajal has said the final thing.  If a person is doing everything
without a sense of doership, he can 'see', Siddhas, caves and
treasures of the Arunachala. 

Arjuna 'saw' the Visvaroopa of Krishana, without the sense
of doership.  Hence it was shown to him.

Bhagavan Ramana has also said in Talks,( when someone asked
whether Indraloka, Chandraloka are real,) that these lokas
are as real as the world, and there are people sitting before Me,
asking questions too!"

In Sri Dakshinamoorthy Stotram, of Sankara,  (which Bhagavan has translatedin Tamil verses) it is said that a Brahma Jnani, gets
eight virtues along with being Brahman.  These virtues inlcude
anima, mahima etc., and contain a virtue of 'seeing everything
at will'.  This seeing and willing are without the sense of doership.

Arunachala Siva.