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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Mantropadesa
« on: October 24, 2008, 05:34:15 PM »
Once, a lady-devotee, was going around and telling people in
Tiruvannamalai, that she had been given Mantropadesa by
Bhagavan Ramana and He had instructed her to give those
'mantras' to various people. She also did this Mantropadeasa
to various persons and was getting offerings of "pada pooja",
money, silk sarees etc!  Some devotees developed suspicion
about this mantropadesa business and reported to Bhagavan Ramana.
He said:  I do not know anything.  I have not given mantropadesa
to anyone.

Those devotees wanted to go to that lady and others to call the bluff.
Bhagavan Ramana told them, "Do not do all those things.  Then
she will say that I had given mantropadesa through my subtle body.
Then her devotees would come to me to verify whether I had given
any mantropadesa through my subtle body.  Why all these troubles.
Just be silent."

It is quite well known that Bhagavan Ramana called nobody as His
disciple and none was given any mantropadesa.  All are His devotees

(Source: Sri Ramanasramam, Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil,
                 Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

Again, one day a devotee asked for the meaning and purport of
Verse 7.14, commencing, "dhyvi heysha guna mayi, mama maya

Bhagavan Ramana replied:

My Maya which is made up of various characteristics cannot easily
be crossed.  Only those who surrender to Me, verily cross this maya.
Here, there is a description of four types of devotees.  These are
a) one who suffers in this world, b) one who has got desire for
Jnana, c) one who yearns wordly wealth, d) the Jnani, the Self
realized. (7.16).  Of these, Krishna says that the Jnani, who desire
only the Self constantly is most dear to Him. (7.17).

"Wherever, Gita says:  give it to Me, I am everything, the "me" and" I"
refers only to the Self.  Atma, according to Jnani is Krishna, the Self,
and not the God, with the disc, the conch shell, and the mace."

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil,
                  Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Explaining Gita verses
« on: October 24, 2008, 04:07:08 PM »
Once a devotee asked Bhagavan, what is the meaning and purport
of Gita verse, "Paritraanaaya Saadhunam Vinasaya cha dhuskhrutham...."

Bhagavan Ramana replied:

"The meaning is quite self evident.  Krishna says that in order to
protect the good and to destruct the bad, he is appearing eon after
after eon."

Then the devotee continued:

"Then, is Krishna born and is protecting, that is, is he born again
and again?"

Bhagavan smilingly replied:

"O!  Is that your doubt.  If Krishna is taking birth again and again,
it is not Krishna, the body but Krishna, the Self.  Atma is born
every time, Krishna is taking birth without any body consciousness."

The devotee pursued:

"To take birth again and again, what is the prarabdha for Krishna?"

Bhagavan continued:

"Sastras give no room for any doubts.  Paramatma is Nishkriya.
Why then Prarabdha for Him?  This is also available in the same verse.  The sins of the bad and the merits of the good become prarabdha for
Godhead.  This is called Parechcha Prarabdha.  The Godhead assumes
the Parechcha Prarabdha."

When another devotee asked about the meaning of  Achyuta,
Bhagavan Ramana said, that it means one who never falters. 
The Godhead never falters from having  the mind in the Self.
Similarly, Hrishikesa means one who has mastered the senses.
He is the Isa of Indriyas.

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil
                  Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Thoughts and personality
« on: October 24, 2008, 03:43:50 PM »
On seeing various disputations and arguments amongst inmates
in the Asram, a devotee asked Bhagavan Ramana: "Why these
people are behaving like this, even after coming to the Asram?"
Bhagavan Ramana said smilingly, "What to do?  All that is inside
has to come out.   Even without anything inside, nothing will come
out.  Whether it is good or bad that is coming out, it is all good for them."

The devotee further asked:  "Jnanis are like mirror. So all the thoughts
of the people nearby, be they good or bad, are coming out, is it not?"

Bhagavan answered: "Yes.  The thoughts of good and bad people
are reflecting in My Presence. What can one do about it?  I shall
give you an example.  Whenever Annamalai Swami came into the Hall,
I asked him some details about the construction work.  Once a devotee
asked me, "Why are you always asking Annamalai Swami, about
construction details, without giving him any upadesa?",  I answered:
"What to do?  Whenever he comes inside the Hall,  I only see buildings
and not Annamalai Swami.  Further, only when I ask details about
construction activities, he is satisfied.  It does not mean that he is
not doing meditation or vichara.  His thoughts are always about construction and he gets satisfied if I ask him for such details with
great interest.  His bhavana is satisfied.  Yat bhavam, tat bhavati..."

The same Annamalai Swami was, after 12 years, instructed by
Bhagavan to do atma vichara.  He did it faithfully, all his doubts
were clarified and he attained Self Realization in a few years therefter!

(Source: Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Tamil.
                 Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

Once during Bhagavan Ramana's last years in the world, He
was taking homeopathy treatment for His terminal illness. During
that time, Suri Nagamma had received some Atti fruits from her
sister in law, with a request to use and also submit a few to Bhagavan.
Since Nagamma was reluctant to ask permission from the Office,
for presenting them to Bhagavan Ramana, she had dried them and
kept the dried fruits in a bottle.  One day in front of the Nirvana Room,
Bhagavan was reading the outgoing posts and found one wherein
a letter had been kept for Nagamma's brother to send some dry atti
fruits, and grapes for use by Bhagavan.  Bhagavan looked at Nagamma
and send :  Look !  They are asking for dry Atti fruits from your brother
since they are good for me as per homeopathy.  Suri Nagamma was
immensely pleased to hear that, and told Bhagavan that her sister
in law had already sent them, and she was only reluctant to give
them to Bhagavan for fear of office controls.  She immediately
rushed to her house and brought the bottle.  Bhagavan took a
few fruits and gave the bottle to His attendant for future use.

A true wish of a devotee towards his Guru, will be fulfilled without fail.

(Source:  Sri Ramanasramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Tamil,
                  Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Menstruation for women.
« on: October 24, 2008, 03:08:01 PM »
Once people were arranging elaborately to celebrate Bhagavan
Ramana's Jayanti.  Even a few days before that event, devotees
were busy composing poems on Bhagavan and others were making
arrangements for the feast.  Once for a Jayanti, Gurram Venkata
Subbraramiah, Krishna Bhikshu and other great devotees arrived
even three or four days before the Jayanti.  Everyone was happy
awaiting the joyous occasion.

It so happened that commecing a day before, Suri Nagamma had to undergo the monthly menstruation, during that period.  She felt
extremely sad and was cursing her fate in the house.  Subbaramaiah
went to her house to find out the position.  On knowing the facts,
he also felt bad and after speaking a few good words to her, left
for the Asram.  Bhagavan Ramana asked Subbaramiah for the reason.
When it was explained to Him, He said: "Why should she feel remorse
for such a natural event?  Is it not a good time, for her, to sit in
isolation and meditate on the Self?"   Subbaramiah came back to her
house after lunch in Asram and told her the words of Bhagavan

What more consolation one needs from a Guru for such an occasion
of remorse?

(Source: Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Tamil -
                 Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Ekatma Panchakam
« on: October 24, 2008, 02:50:48 PM »
Ekatma Panchakam, is the only composition, written by Bhagavan
Ramana, originally in Telugu and then translated into Tamil.  It
was written in February 1947.  Suri Nagamma, requested Bhagavan
Ramana once, to compose a poem in Telugu.  Bhagavan first declined
saying that the pandits would find a lot of faults if He were to write
poems in Telugu.  Suri Nagamma said:  Bhagavan!  Who can correct
your poems.  They are all Rishis words.  I won't allow anyone to
correct your Telugu poems."  After several requests, Bhagavan Ramana
composed Ekatma Panchakam, in Telugu.  This was done in Venba
metre, which was unknown in Telugu grammar.  It consists of
five verses.

As was expected, some Teuigu scholars objected to these poems
saying that these are not as per Telugu metres.  Suri Nagamma,
then sent them to Velluri Sivarama Sastri, who said that the composition
looks like Vedic Revelations and so there is no necessity for any
corrections, metrically or otherwise.   After this, again some Telugu
scholars insisted on metrical corrections and Bhagavan asked them
to do whatever they wanted and left the matter at that.  Suri Nagamma
felt extremely sad.  Then, with the corrections of scholars, the proofs
came to the Hall on a day.  Chinta Dikshitar and Gurram Venkata
Subbramaiah were at the Hall during that time.  On seeing the proofs,
they became very indignant and saw to it that Bhagavan's original
version went to print!

Bhagavan later recalled:  "Venba is one rare metre available only in
Tamil.  Once Ganapati Muni tried this in Sanskrit but left it without
proceeding further.  Narasinga Rao tried this metre in Telugu later
and he was also not successful.  So I was hesitant in the beginning.
Anyway I had to do this because of Suri Nagamma's insistence.
It is all right."

(Source:  Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Tamil -
                  Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

Plagiarising poems to adore Bhagavan Ramana or tto show  Him
the poetic abilities were common in the Asram.  On Jayanti Days,
many learned scholars would read their poems in His Presence.
Bhagavan Ramana Himself was a great Tamil poet and He composed
in Sanskrit, poems, with Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni's brief teaching
of Sanskrit chandhas.  He also translated His own Tamil poems in
Telugu and Malayalam.  Once He translated Vichara Mani Mala of
Swami Nichaladas into Tamil and someone else claimed to have done
this translation!  Bhagavan who had no desire for authorship for any
works, left it at that.  That is why in Bhagavan Ramana's Complete
Works, Tamil, Vichara Mani Mala  Tamil translation does not find a
place even today!

Once a Telugu lady took Swami Yatla Ramadas poems on Rama and
substituted the word Ramana for Rama and read some poems as her
own in the Hall.  Everyone appreciated the style and cadence of the
poem and even offered to translate them into other languages!  When
this came to the notice of Suri Nagamma, she found out the fraud
and told everyone.  

Bhagavan simply lauged at the whole incident and said:  Rama
and Ramana are one and the same.  Rama is Surya ganam and
Ramana is n-gunam, and so this is also a Surya ganam!

Earlier when He was in the Hills, one Perumal Swami, plagriazed
Ramalinga Swamigal's poems on Rama called Rama Padigam.
By changing Rama into Ramana, he brought a poem of ten verses.
Muruganar appreciated the poems and wanted to add them in
the Asram's Note book which contained all such poems of devotees.
Bhagavan felt some doubt and asked for Ramalinga Swamigal's
Tiru Arutpa, a huge collection of the saint's poems and found out
the plagiarism.

Any person somewhat learned in one's own lanugage, cannot resist
writing poems on Bhagavan Ramana.  Once in Tiruvannamlai Morvi
Guest House, I felt an irresistable temptation to write a poem on
Bhagavan Ramana.  Plagiarism always comes handy.  I slightly
altered the famous poem of Pachai-mal-malai-pol meni of Azhwar
and wrote one on Bhagavan Ramana.

The connection between Tiruvannamalai and Tamil poetry is
unquestionable.  Right from the Siva saints, Tiru Jnana Sambandhar,
Sundaramoorthy, Manikkavachakar, through Arunagiri Natha,
Guhai Namasivaya and Guru Namasivaya, to Bhagavan Ramana,
the tradtion of Tamil poetry is flourishing.

(Source: Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum, Tamil,
                Suri Nagamma.)

Arunachala Siva.

Once in 1947, Mouni Srinivasa Rao, brought the Tamil Vichara Mani
Mala and said that it would be nice if this work  could be translated
in Telugu.  Since Suri Nagamma thought that it would not be nice
to translate the work, herself, she and others requested Bhagavan
to translate.  Bhagavan did that work in a few days and gave a
pencil written sheaf of papers to Suri Nagamma for taking a copy.
Meantime, the office people intervened and took the pencil written
papers from her saying that someone would make copies. Suri
Nagamma felt bad and she reported to Bhagavan Ramana:  "Who
are they to copy Bhagavan's work and are they Vayasa to make
corrections too?"

After restlessness for a few days, when the copy of the pencil work
came, she told office people that Bhagavan would see the copy also
once, before it goes for printing.   As per Bhagavan's instructions,
the Telugu copy of the work was brought to Him and He looked into
it once.  Fortunately, worse situation was averted, because the copyist
did not make any corrections!

Nobody can correct or change the Truth!

(Source:  Sri Ramansramam - Vazhvum Ninaivum - Suri Nagamma,

Arunachala Siva.

Once, Annamalai Swami asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"How come some devotees, who are doing service to Bhagavan
and even staying with Him, since a long time, go into bad habits?"

Bhagavan Ramana replied:

"What to do? Even Jaya, Vijaya, who were ever in the presence of
Maha Vishnu, in Vaikunta, became demons?  It is all the play
of unkilled ego."

(Source:  Sri Ramana Ninaivugal - Tamil - Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.

Once someone asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"Even for one who walks on good path, gets all sorts of troubles
and tribulations, why?"

Bhagavan Ramana replied:

"It is good that devotees get troubles and tribulations."  Then He
took out a poem from Guhai Namasviaya and read out:

" The washerman smashes the clothes on the stone slab vigorously.
Why?  Is it for tearing the clothes?  It is only for removing the dirt
on the clothes.  Like that, God gives troubles to the devotees only
to purify their minds and not to annihilate them."

He continued:  "What we need is perseverance and chitta suddhi."

(Source:  Sri Ramana Ninaivugal - Tamil - Annaamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Dr. Raju,

I remember a T. S. Eliot poem.  Most of T. S. Eliot's poems give
a undercurrent of Advaita.   He says:

What are the roots that clutch?
What branches grow out of this stony rubbish?
Son of Man, for you know only a heap of broken images,
Where Sun beats, dead trees give no shelter, crickets no relief!

Arunachala Siva. 

Once in connection with Asram dispute case, (filed by Perumal Swami),
some advocates came to interrogate Bhagavan Ramana.

Q:  Swami!  What is your name?

A. People call me with various names.  What shall I say?

Q. People call you as Sri Ramana Maharshi.
A. Yes.

Q. As per Hindu sastra, what is your stage in the four stages prescribed?
A. I am beyond these four stages.  I am Ati-Varna-asrami.

Q. Are there anyone in that Ati-Varna-asrama?
A.  I do not know now. But in the past, Suka and Jadabharata were there.

Q. People say that you are an avatara of Sri Subrahmanya. Is it true?
A. I am. But I am also everything!  Everything is me!

Q. Who is your Guru?
A. I have no Guru, no disciple.

Q. How can anyone be without a Guru?
A. Yes, It is not possible.
Q. Then who is your Guru?
A.  My Atma is my Guru.
Q. Who is the Guru of your Atma?
A. Atma is the Guru of the Atma too!

(Source: Various biogrpahies of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.)

Arunachala Siva.     


Once in 1938, one devotee asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"It is said by Kanchangad Swmi Ramadas, that the disciples after
spending some time with a great Guru, should leave for a separate
place for his own evolvement into Self Realization.  He should not
always remain with that great Guru, since, small plants cannot grow
into big trees, under the shade of a big banyan tree.  Is it correct?"

Bhagavan Ramana replied smilingly:

"A true devotee who is staying ever with a great Guru, as his shadow,
even if he wants to go away, where can he go?  What is going out?
What is coming in?  For every thing in life is a Sat Sangh or a
Guru Kula vasa."  Bhagavan then cited, Kaivalya Navaneetham,
Chapter II, verse 2.

(Source:  Sri Ramana Ninaivugal - Tamil - Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,

Annamalai Swami is a double edged sword!

1.  He says pleasures and pains are our destiny!  No doubt.

2.  But thoughts have to be cleansed!  See, he had to have
      Bhagavan's intervention, when sex thoughts haunted him once.

Arunachala Siva.