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There was one  M.V. Ramaswami Iyer.  He was a religious person
and used to chant Gayatri mantra, many times on a day.  He came
to Bhagavan in 1900, and again a number of times, upto 1927.  This
conversation took place in 1927.

He asked Bhagavan Ramana:  "How long will it take, to come?"

Bhagavan Ramana replied:  "The play should end.  When it is
over, you can come!"

For most of us, play takes months, years, decades to end.  The
play can end only with Guru's Grace!

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Drinking water
« on: October 30, 2008, 11:04:22 AM »
Drinking water is a natural activity for all living beings.  But for
human beings, there are some prescriptions.  This is more towards
maintaining good health and not from any moral or spiritual point of

Bhagavan Ramana has quoted the sayings of ancients on some occasion.

Drinking water before commencement of meal is a poison.
Drinking water after completion of meal is nectar.
Drinking water at any time is a tonic!

This is for ordinary human beings.  There could be exceptions,
like, diabetics, I am told, are hyperthirstry and drinks water
and urinates frequently.  Even a high-fever person may not
drink water at all. 

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Prarabdha feeds you
« on: October 30, 2008, 09:55:01 AM »
When Prahlada joined Gurukul, he was chanting Om Namo Narayana,
instead of changing king Hiranya Kashayp's name.  The teacher
warned him.  But he continued and the other students also chanted
Narayana's name.  At some stage, the students grew cold feet and
said:  "O Prahlada, you are king's son, whereas we are all poor
Brahmins.  If we chant Narayana, we shall lose our jobs as teachers
tomorrow, and we have to starve.

Prahlada said: 'O you are thinking that king is feeding you.  No.
only our prarabdhas' are feeding us.  This has been decided by
God, even before our births.  Hence chant Narayana's name and
he will take care of your food and he can even change your prarabdha,
if he wants!

Bhagavan Ramana has also told this story to someone in the Hall.

Arunachala Siva.   

We have all adored our bosses in our organizations, to please them
or get good reports for our promotion.  I have done that in my office
life.  But adoring God is the best, because God is not be to pleased because you adore him and he is not giving you anything just because
you adore him.

Saint Arunagiri Natha has sung in one Tiruppugazh, on the Skanda
of Nagapttinam.  The song runs like this:

In the town of Naagapattinam, encircled by the roaring oceans
on all three sides,
I was calling certain persons of the town, as Rain Clouds and Fruits
  laden Trees!
I was calling the dumb as persons of great oratory, I was calling
   the fools as men of great wisdom, I was calling the lame as
   men of great handsomeness!
I sung crores of various Tamil songs, in Kovai, Kalambagam, Malai
    and other metres!
Till I was given a 'No' by them and I came back in shame!
O God of Nagapattinam, I pray to you, not for money, food, women
   and shelter!
I pray to you only to kill my desires and anger and seek your feet
   only for union with you!
O Son of Bala, Durga, Amba, Sakti and Uma
The Consort of Siva,
O the dear nephew of Vishnu, who sleeps in the milky ocean,
I pray to you, give me Peace and Liberation!

Most of us are Arunagiri Nathas in our life, and we learn only
after experiencing the futility of such adorations to people in the

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes.  I agree.  It is helpful many a times.  Bhagavan says Akshara
Mana Malai, "If you do not take me, O Arunachala, the five thieves
that is my five senses, will rob me!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Matthias,

I also remember one small verse from a Dale Carnagie's book,
perhpas this is also from the Bible.

I was sulking that I had no shoes,
Till I saw a man who had no legs!

Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: Difficulties
« on: October 29, 2008, 01:42:46 PM »
Dear Laith,

Being spiritual in life is not abandoning the duties expected of you.
Very rarely Jnanis like Sankaa and Bhagavan Ramana left their kith
and kin to pursue the sadhana or tapas.  But that should not be the
case of all of us.  Krishna advised the same thing to Arjuna.  The
same Jnanis that I mentioned above did the work with astute
abilities, because for them it is the Self which they have already
realized,was doing, without any doership.   Sankara stitched old
chappals better than a regular cobbler.  Bhagavan did
cooking in the Asram better than a trained cook.  But these cases
are rare.  For most of us, we should not abandon our worldly work
and at the same time,  simultaneously pursue the prayers, meditation
and self enquiry.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Difficulties
« on: October 29, 2008, 10:06:02 AM »
Dear Laith,

I just now posted under General Topic, one message, under the
title Getting angry with God.  Kindly read that, in case it suits you.
God and the Self within you are one and the same.  So, getting
frustragted with God or your Self is the same.  Seek Guru's Grace.

Arunachala Siva. 

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Getting angry with God
« on: October 29, 2008, 10:01:46 AM »
In case of our difficulties, during our worldly activities, prayers,
meditation, and self enquiry, can a seeker get angry with God?
Poets have sung Ninda Stuti, criticizing or scolding God!  But one
Azhwar has given a beautiful example.

He says, when our physician cuts the wound, with a sharp knife,
takes out the bad blood, and then again, burns the base of the
wound, with a hot knife, will we pay angry with the physician?
No.  Despite the difficulties and pains, we will be loving the
physician for the surgery and cure.  The Azhwar says:  Like
that, I shall have unremitting love towards you, Narayana, even
if you give me difficulties in life!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Bliss can be expressed only in a non-bliss state!  A reverse example,
given by Bhagavan Ramana, was, that one can experience relief
only after the stomach pain is over and not during the stomach pain.
But, if one is always in Bliss, there is no need to express it.  Because
IT IS.  For example, again Bhagavan Ramana's example, if one
is having head ache, every day, all the time, then the sufferer does
not seek medicinde, because head ache is natrual to him!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal,

Thanks for your clarification.  Bhagavan Ramana is reported to have
said to one Vaishnavite, that He chose the second pair of verses,
becuase, these are positive while the first pair is negative.  The
purport, as you have said, is the same.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Continue the prayers or meditation.  If our wishes are not answered,
it does not mean that God is not listening to us.  The nonfulfillment
of wishes could be due to one of the following reasons:

1. Our prayers are not steady and strong.
2. Our prarabdha.
3. Our prayers are not for the correct reasons.

Regardless of the happening or non happening our wishes, we
can continue our prayers.  Steady and strong prayers will confer
results.  Or, whatever may be the results, we will develop a
sense of acceptance to them.

Arunachala Siva.   

General Discussion / Re: Difficulties
« on: October 29, 2008, 09:16:04 AM »
Dear Laith,

I am praaying for you.  One hour self enquriy or meditation is quite
good.  If there are interruptions, due to any reason, do not get
disheartened.  Pursue after the interruptions are over.  These
interruptions will automatically cease, with Guru's Grace.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal,

Bhagavan Ramana has also said that true devotion is surrender
to the Self.  However, He did not choose the two verses indicated
by you, but instead XVIII. 61 and 62, as the last two verses of
His Bhagavad Gita Saram.  Could you kindly clarify as to what
could be reason for this?

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Mr. Graham,

Your kind post.  I shall, if Bhagavan wills, take up such translations
of Upanishads and other works, and transmit them to you for your
approval and necessary further action.  In the meantime, I shall
confine myself to giving responses to the doubts of members of
the Forum.  I shall also post translations of a few verses and stories
from Tiruvachakam and Periya Puranam, Tamil originals, in a
limited way.

Thanking you,

Yours truly,

Subramanian. R