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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Vasanas and self enquiry
« on: October 26, 2008, 01:38:57 PM »
Once a devotee asked Annamalai Swami, about the vasanas
coming up one and after another.

Annamalai Swami replied:

Your thoughts arise on a moment-to-moment basis because
of your vasanas. But it is a mistake to think that you can do
nothing about them.  You can interested in them, or you can
ignore them.  If you show interest in them, they will persist and
you will get caught up in them.  If you ignore them and keep
your mind attention on the Source, they will not develop. And
when they don't develop, they disappear. 

In Who am I? Bhagavan compared this process to laying siege
to a fort, if you cut off, one by one, the heads of the thoughts,
as they come out of the fort of the mind, sooner or later, there
will be none left. The way to do this is self-enquiry.  As each
thought rises, you ask yourself: To whom does this thought
appear? If you are vigilant in doing this, the forest of thoughts
will lessen and lessen, until there are none left.  When the thoughts
have gone, mind will sink into its Source and experience that Source.

(Credits:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks : Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Sadhana amidst activities
« on: October 26, 2008, 01:22:23 PM »
Someone asked Annamalai Swami:

How can we keep up our sadhana in the middle of all our daily

Annamalai Swami clarified:

Ramakrishna was once asked this question, and in reply he gave
the example of a child who was playing by spinning round and round.
If you do this you will soon get dizzy and fall over, but if the same
child spins round and round while holding firmly onto a post or a
pillar at arm's length, the child's grip on the post, will keep him
upright and prevent him from falling over.  In this dizzy, spinning
would be upright and prevent frim from falling over. In this dizzy,
spinning world of samsara, if you hold onto the post of the Self,
you will be able to stay upright and not fall over.

(Credits:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks - Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.

Once a devoee asked Annamalai Swami:

Swami!  In order to do self enquiry, we have to use the mind,
which is mostly troublesome, and in reality does not even exist.
Why is this?

Annamalai Swami clarified:

The mind which we use for self enquire is the pure mind,
the sattvic mind.  By using this sattvic mind, we do self enquiry,
to remove the impure mind, which is rajas and tamas.  If you
keep on doing self enquiry, with the sattvic mind, ultimately,
this sattvic mind will be dissolved in the Self.

(Credits:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks - Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear S. Subramanian,

The fear is a natural phenomenon for one who is trying to quieten
the mind.  Mind means thoughts, so the quiet mind brings a sensation
of emptiness and one gets immense fear, because we think that
our mind is gone mad!  I had this fear, and I had to chant several
times Arunachala Siva. Arunachala Siva, to get back to my stupid
'self'.  Certain occasions, I had felt I had no body or the body had
become totally weightless, like a bird's wing.  This also gives
terrific fear, because you want to 'feel weight and for this, have a
body.'  This mind-body demon will not leave us easily.  Go beyond
all these fears, since Bhagavan Ramana is with us during our
'sadhana', ever present and guiding us.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear David,  Kindly do no say that you do not find "one hour."
You can reduce your sleep by one hour.  For sometime, the
mind-body may not cooperate.  But constant practice will help,
to reduce the sleep by one hour and spend that one hour for

Dear ..pri, the Japa, as you have correctly said, is only to keep
the other thoughts at bay.  This could mean setting right the canal
of thoughts, deepening or broadening for flow of water. 

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Mental Japa alone is sufficient.  Wherever we are, we are carrying
our body.  Is it not?  We have a mouth to chant.  Again to say
that you are in US and cannot do idol worship.  Why?  Are you
not finding your own type of food in US to eat?  Why not then, a little
water and a few flowers?  If jasmine, bhilva and tulsi are not
available, you may have roses in US.  You may have, instead of
usual dry grapes and plantains as in India, apples and berries.
These will do.  Please pursue.  If you have gone past such idol
worships, mental japa, then,  is adequate.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: sage Kapila
« on: October 26, 2008, 12:43:00 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Kapila is a born Jnani and he teaches the self knowledge to his
mother, through Sankhya Yoga.  This is different from Advaita,
a different path, which ultimately merges in nonduality.  I shall
post the full story after referrring to Yoga Vasishtam, later.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear ushanpri,

You said it.  Avan arulalale avan thal vanangi... says Tiruvachakam.
We can reach God (here feet are mentioned), only when God wills it.
Upanishads say:  Brahman can be attained only when Brahman
chooses you.  This happens when one starts feeling that the world
is unreal and one's own activities are futile.  At that stage one
starts working out, "Who am I?"  The search starts.

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Dr. Raju and srkudai,

The concept of purifying or cleaning the mind is again getting into
our discussions.  SRKUDAI, you wanted whether Annamalai Swami
has been told about this by Bhagavan Ramana.  Yesterday was a
total low voltage day, and I could not open the internet.   This gave
me chance to start the new 8 volume book and also read Annamalai
Swami connected books. 

Bhagavan Ramana has told this on one occasion:-

"Then, Bhagavan Ramana looked at a child and said: If one could
keep the mind clean (or pure), then only one can get the Anandam
of Brahman."

I leave members to make their own conclusions.

(Credits:  Sri Ramana Ninaivugal - Tamil, Sri Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: What is real tapas
« on: October 26, 2008, 12:25:35 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

As Dr. Raju said the story of Rajasthan women and the story of
Narada told by me earlier are all pointers to the concept of awareness.
In the beginning, no doubt, any external force can disturb you.
By continuously withdrawing back to meditation, one can bring
the mind to the one thought.  As Bhagavan said, this one thought
will also vanish at the end, by constantly enquiring your real nature.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: saint Manikkavachakar
« on: October 26, 2008, 12:16:00 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

I am sorry, I could not reply immediately, since there were low
voltage supplies on whole of Saturday and today upto 1.00 p.m.
Saint Manikkavachagar, has lived around 3rd century, before
the other three major saints of Saiva Canon.  There are also
theories that he lived after the three major saints.  He was a
Brahmin and was the minister in Pandya King's court.  The Pandya
King is Varaguna Pandyan.  He sent Manikkavachagar to South
East coast to buy horses from Arab merchants.  This place is
near Ramesvaram and when he went to a coastal town called
Uttara Kosa Mangai.  There he saw an Effulgence of Siva and
who guided him to Tiru Perun Thurai, another place, slightly
northwards.  There  he came across the Siva Lingam, called
Avudaiyar.  He became enthralled and spent all his money that
king had given for buying horses, to build a temple.  There,
he started singing Tiruvachakam, the first song of which is called
Siva Puranam.  It starts as Namasivaya Vazhga, Nathan Thal Vazhga,
Imamip Pozhudum en nenjil neengathan thal vazga.  "Glory
to Namasivaya, Glory to my Master's Feet!  Glory to the one who
never leaves my Heart even for a batting of the eyelid!"

Dear Ramanaduli, this story will run to several posts.  Emotions
run wild.  Let me continue.

Arunachala Siva.     

Dear David,

Pure Mind or Siddha Manas, is like a burnt rope.  It does not harm
any one, it does not suffer from thoughts.  This pure mind helps
the Jnanis, to help others in their path.

Arunachala Siva.

Keeping the women away from work, during to mensturation was
as much for biological reasons as it was for psychological reasons.
Mind is disturbed for them during that period,  because of the wasted
eggs from the ovary.  Western psychologists have said, many crimes
and many suicides take place among womenfolk during those monthly
periods.  Perhaps Dr. Raju can explain it more.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Let us only bother about Swadharma for the present?  Why are
you bothered about yuga dharma now?  As Bhagavan said to
someone:  "Why are you bothered about previous birth and the next
birth.  Please investigate who are you now, in the present birth?"

Let us pursue our Swadharma.  Yuga Dharma may be left where
it is, if it is.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Dr. Raju,

I am happy to read your post.  Writing poetry and prose on Bhagavan
is an irresistable fascination to most of the devotees.  Bhagavan did
not discourage this. He said for Muruganar, writing poems on Him
was the way of 'tapas.'  Lakshmana Sarma, (Who) who was a Sanskrit
scholar, wrote and rewrote Ulladu Narapdu, Sat Darsanam, in
various metres, for several years.   Bhagavan also had remarked that for Sarma, it was a way of 'tapas.'  Later Sri Sadhu Om, has written one full
book of poems, about more than 800 verses, under the title, Sadhanai Saram, The Essence of Sadhana.  This has come up as Volume III of Ramana Vazhi, (The Path of Ramana).  I do not know whether these poems have been rendered into English, because it does not form a
part of English, The Path of Ramana.

Recently in 2008 Sept, David Godman has brought out a new book on entire Guru Vachaka Kovai, in English, giving translation of about more than 1200 verses with anecdotes from Bhagavan's Life and other teachings, interlaced.

Sri Ramanasramam has brought out a 8-volume book on "Arunachala's Ramana - Boundless Ocean of Grace."  These volumes are a product of great research, without leaving any single available information on Bhagavan Ramana.  It runs to 3000 plus pages and is moderately priced at Rs 1300 plus Rs 250 for courier charges.

I sent money on last Thursday, 23rd October 2008, and the books
came in a big courier box, on Saturday, 25th October 2008.  I sent
an e mail to the President of the Asram, saying that "I have got
a hot line with Bhagavan and the Asram, other wise how can books
arrive just on the third day?"   

Arunachala Ramana.

Bhagavan is a mirror.  The poetic or prosodic abilities of a person
comes out in His Presence.  And that is all, I can say.  Thank you.