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Someone came to Bhagavan Ramana, (many have done like that),
and asked, "Whether I can take up Sannyasa?"  Bhagavan Ramana,
as usual forbade them saying that the way of life is not a hindrance
to self enquiry.  The man persisted:  "Give your permission."
Bhagavan Ramana did not reply. Then the man picked up courage
and said:  "How come, you took up Sannyasa and now say that
I should not!"

Bhagavan Ramana said:  "But I did not ask anybody.  I definitely
did not seek permission from any one nor wait  for their permission,
like you do."   

(This clearly shows that the man wanted Bhagavan Ramana's
seal of approval, so that others can blame Him at a later date!)

Arunachala Siva.

All of us have felt sometime or other, "Why these births and deaths?"
One Americal hippie has sung:  "Please stop the world! I want to
get out!"  These feelings are expressed one way or other.

Saint Arunagiri Natha, who sang thousands of songs in praise of
Skanda, Muruga in Tamil, has got a song which runs like this:

I do not want births and deaths because,

The vultures, crows, and the jackals have become
    tired of eating my flesh in the burial ground! 

Brahma is tired of taking his pot* and making births
    for me endlessly!

Yama is tired of coming on his ox and taking me  to
    death again and again!

My children are tired of checking my bank balance
    every time I die!

My wife is tired of removing her mangala-sutra**

(* Brahma is supposed to create all living beings from a pot,
   which contains primordial seeds.
** This is a yellow thread with a gold pendant that women wear at the time of marriage and remove when their husbands die.)

See the poetic imagination.   

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: how do you experience yourselfs?
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:06:45 PM »
Dear Matthias,

I am fine, by Bhagavan Ramana's Grace.  All these external 'bhavas'
still continue.  Sometimes fear, sometimes bad feelings, sometimes
extraordinarily good feelings.  I do not know. 

One simple example.  When I knew from the Forum that the
Administrator has pruned 783 of my posts, because they are
infringing the copyright laws and for other reasons, this came as
a Diwali gift, you know, I felt bad for a full day.  Several thoughts
came up.  Why all this?  It is like a child building sand houses on
the beach and suddenly a wave coming and removing everything.
But I remembered Chadwick's life.  He had done the entire complete
works of Sri Ramana and wanted to show them to Bhagavan Ramana
and publish them.  Meantime, the news came that Arthur Osborne's
English translation is going to come out.  Then Chadwick quietly
placed the entire manuscripts in front of Bhagavan Ramana and left.
Nothing will be done or undone, without the knowledge of Bhagavan
Ramana, because He is everywhere, all pervading, in and out, vertical
and horizonal, at all times.

Arunachala Siva.

Once Bhagavan Ramana, while He was on the Hills, when He was
called Brahmana Swami, wanted to fast and become a Pranava body.
He was going into the jungle, Vasudeva Sastri, who was a young boy,
studying in Veda Patasala came to Him running and send: "You have
come all alone, let us return to Virupaksha Cave."  Bhagavan Ramana
said: "I shall spend two days in the jungle and come back, you go."
Vasudeva Sastri started weeping.  However, Bhagavan Ramana pacified
him and walked further.  Suddenly, Satthappaswami, Head of Esanya
Math, came in a cart and on seeing Bhagavan took Him to his Math
for feeding!

There were two more such occasions, when Bhagavan wanted to
become a Pranava body.  On the second occasion, He wanted to
avoid Jadaswami who was giving troubles to Him and proceed.
But this time, Yogananda Swami frustrated the attempt!

Thirdly, afer Mother Azhagamma's Samadhi, Bhagavan Ramana wanted
to leave Skandasramam for ever and disintegrate.  But it so happened,
a new Asram was created at the foot hills and He had to remain upto

After reading this, one can wonder, why then Bhagavan Ramana did
not want to disintegrate into Pranava body, particularly at the time
of the terminal cancer.  In my view, He wanted to leave the body
in 'death', and on His samadhi,  a temple would be constructed to make the people understand the power of His presence.

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Creation and dissolution
« on: October 31, 2008, 10:45:05 AM »
I have already posted under Maandukya Upanishad - Gaudapada
Karika, about Ajata Vada, the theory of no creation and no dissolution,
by Gaudapada, Sankara and Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.

Sri Lakshmana Sarma, "WHO" has said a new explanation to
this creation and dissolution and this must also be Bhagavan
Ramana's view, since this is seen Sri Ramana Para Vidya Upanishad,
a work of 701 Sanskrit verses.

The verse reads:

The mind creates the world subject to a power (Avidya Maya)
and therefore is unable to create it to its own liking.  The mind
believing the world to be real is deluded and suffers the woes
of Samsara.  (Verse 145)

(Source:  Samvid's translation of Sri Ramana Paravidya Upanishad.)

Arunachala Siva.


Ashrams / Samdahi of Seshadri Swami and Ram Surat Kumar
« on: October 31, 2008, 10:20:44 AM »
Dear SDBC,

The "Samadhi" means a state of liberation and also a place where
the body of the liberated Jnani is interred and a small temple or tomb
is erected with Siva Lingam.  There are such temples for two other
great men in Tiruvannamalai, one for Seshadri Swami, who was
with Bhagavan Ramana and who got liberated earlier.  For the
functions connected with the internment of Seshadri Swami,
Bhagavan Ramana was present.  Another one is that of Ram Surat
Kumar, who got liberated after 2000 AD.  He was a good friend
of Asram people and he had come to Asram many times during his
lifetime.  These two Samadhis are very near to Sri Ramansramam.

Arunachala Siva.   

Ashrams / Re: Living in tent in/near the ashram?
« on: October 31, 2008, 10:05:23 AM »
Dear friend,

You can stay in the Asram guest houses for a maximum period of
three days.  Perhaps for visitors, who are coming from far off places,
the Asram authorities may permit more time.  Sleeping in a tent
is impossible in front of the Asram or nearby because the town is
quite crowded and the Asram is right in a national highway.  The
best thing is to find a cheap accommodation, one room with bathing
and toiler facilities, as a paying guest in someone's house.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  He is the Unseen Presence. 

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Inventions from the pure mind.
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:58:24 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, As Dr. Raju said, the scientific inventions/
discoveries are the objective experiences, and perhaps may
fatten the egos of the scientists.  I am not sure.  But Dr. Einstein,
after the discovery of general theory of relativity, has said:

"These are all nothing.  I want to know the God's mind.  The rest
are all details!"   

He has also said once the following, which are inscribed in his
room in Syracuse University:

"I believe in God who is very subtle!"

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli, Thanks, there are also gems in Arunagiri Natha's
poems which talk of pure advaita.

Dear Matthias,  The Upadesa Saram verse that you are referring
is the verse 9.  Arthur Osborne's translation reads like this:

Abidance in Pure Being
Transcending thought through love intense
Is the very essence
Of Supreme devotion.

The Tamil verse starts as:  Bhava balathinanaal....

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: how do you experience yourselfs?
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:44:30 AM »
Dear Matthias,

Your various 'bhavas', or feelings like "inexpressible feeling",
"weightlessness and warmth",  "seeing with every pore of the skin",
horripilation, causeless shedding of tears are all good.  There are
times when I feel choked or weep whenever I hear or tell
Arunachala.  I should only say that these are like  someone
giving you a bottle of lemonade in a long distance running!  Do
accept it and proceed further.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: imprtance of Sat sangha
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:36:33 AM »
Dear srkudai and Matthias,

Your view, I would not say, is incorrect.  But people who have been
benefited have told this about Arunachala.  Matthias felt the power
in the church in Austria.  People going to Vatican may feel higher
power than in a country church.  That is why, Arunachala Mahatmayam
says about two things about Arunachala.

1. Those who see it, or even mentally think of it from afar will become
self realized. 

2. Those who live within three "yojanas" (about 36 miles) around
Arunachala will be self realized even without initiation.

Since Bhagavan Ramana Himself has praised these verses, I am
sure, these are not exaggerations.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: imprtance of Sat sangha
« on: October 30, 2008, 03:53:18 PM »
Dear srkudai,

I agree that the Self or Bhagavan Ramana, is always here and now.
But for seekers, going to Arunachala definitely help, because the
Power of the Presence is more there.  It is like comparing a home
altar and a temple, where in the latter the power is more.  In
Santa Cruz, California, there is one group called SAT, Society for
Abidance in Truth and I think no body can name the Satsangh better
than these people.  This SAT has published the English Ribhu Gita,
composed in free verses, by Mr. Nome and Dr. Ramamoorthy.
May be it will be difficult for people in far off Western countries,
to come to Arunachala in terms of money, health and distance.
But even people who are in Madras, just 190 kms away have not
visited Arunachala in their lifetimes.  Perhaps, it depends upon
one's destiny.

When Annamalai Swami wanted  to go back to Polur, his native
place, for sadhana after 12 years of construction work inside
the Asram, Bhagavan Ramana told him not to leave Arunachala,
since the power is more in Arunachala, to pull the seekers quicker
into the Self than other places.  This is being felt by many devotees
including me.  Maurice Frydman, was going to Arunachala every
week from Bangalore in his jeep, and when Bhagavan asked why,
he said:  I have to charge my battery every now and then!

Arunachala Siva.

T.S. Eliot in his famous poem The Waste Land, has written the

Who is the One who is walking beside you?

The meaning is, Godhead is always with us, in a dualistic sense.
This line is an allegory to Amendson's travel to Antarctica, in
the beginning of 19th century.  All sailors excepting Amendson
and his friend have died on the way, owing to unbearable climate,
or fear, or high sea-fever etc., When the remaining two were
sailing further, they 'had a strong feeling that there is someone
else in the ship' guiding them and encouraging them!

Whenever, I open my comp on a morning, I always think that
whatever I write, should be useful and acceptable to all the
Forum members, I should not make any spelling or typo mistakes
etc., etc,  Then I begin to think, 'Why all these worries and thoughts?
Is not Bhagavan Ramana guiding you.  Is He not the person standing
beside you, in front of the computer?'  He is the One who is always
beside us.

Bhagavan Ramana has also told us in Who am I?

"When everything is done by a Paramesvara Sakti, why should
we go on thinking, that I should do this, I should do that?"

He has also said often:

Nin ishtam; En ishatam, meaning in Tamil, "Your wish is my wish!"

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Karadhala Bhiksha
« on: October 30, 2008, 12:40:05 PM »
During His times in the Hllls, Bhagavan Ramana has been fed
sumptuously on one or two occasions, by devotees who took Him
to their home or Mutt.  He was served a lot of dishes on a large
plate-leaf and fed on those occasions.  However, Bhagavan Ramana,
had usually liked to take alms on His hands and eat them.  When
Pazhaniswami and a few other devotees came live permanently
with Him, alms were collected on a pot and shared equally.

I remember my younger days when I was fed by my grandmother,
along with other grandchildren.  The old lady used to bring curd
bath or sambhar bath in a vessel, and used to give each one handful.
As Bhagavan Ramana said, this food taken on hands has got
some advantages.  Firstly, each one takes what is adequate for him,
and finishes the meal, as soon as he is adequately fed.  Secondly,
as a corallary, there is no danger of being overserved and wasting
food.  Thirdly, it reduces the work both for the server and the
consumer of food.  There is no throwing out the leaf plate or
washing the plates.  All are simultaneously fed and everyone is happy!

Arunachala Siva.